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We have a powerful weapon to fight inflation: price controls. It’s time we use it​

Isabella Weber

We used price controls after inflation sky-rocketed after the second world war. There’s a strong case for doing so again now

Wed 29 Dec 2021 11.20 GMT

Inflation is near a 40-year high. Central banks around the world just promised to intervene. However, a critical factor that is driving up prices remains largely overlooked: an explosion in profits. In 2021, US non-financial profit margins have reached levels not seen since the aftermath of the second world war. This is no coincidence. The end of the war required a sudden restructuring of production which created bottlenecks similar to those caused by the pandemic. Then and now large corporations with market power have used supply problems as an opportunity to increase prices and scoop windfall profits. The Federal Reserve has taken a hawkish turn this month. But cutting monetary stimulus will not fix supply chains. What we need instead is a serious conversation about strategic price controls – just like after the war.

Today economists are divided into two camps on the inflation question: team Transitory argues we ought not to worry about inflation since it will soon go away. Team Stagflation urges for fiscal restraint and a raise in interest rates. But there is a third option: the government could target the specific prices that drive inflation instead of moving to austerity which risks a recession.


To use a metaphor: if your house is on fire, you would not want to wait until the fire eventually dies out. Neither do you wish to destroy the house by flooding it. A skillful firefighter extinguishes the fire where it is burning to prevent contagion and save the house. History teaches us that such a targeted approach is also possible for price increases.

The White House Council of Economic Advisers suggests that the best historical analogy for today’s inflation is the aftermath of the second world war. Then and now there was pent up demand thanks to high household savings. During the war this was a result of rising incomes and rationing; during Covid-19 that of stimulus checks and shutdowns. At both times supply chains were disrupted. This is as far as the White House advisers’ interpretation of the parallel between the two episodes goes. What they do not tell us is that the inflation after the war was not without an alternative.

During the second world war the Roosevelt administration imposed strict price controls and instituted the Office of Price Administration. In comparison with the first world war, price rises were low, while the increase in output was almost beyond imagination. After the war, the question was what to do with the price controls. Should they be released in one big bang as southern Democrats, Republicans and big business were urging? Or did price controls have a role to play in the transition to a postwar economy?

Some of the most distinguished American economists of the 20th century called for a continuation of price controls in the New York Times. This included the likes of Paul Samuelson, Irving Fisher, Frank Knight, Simon Kuznets, Paul Sweezy and Wesley Mitchell, as well as 11 former presidents of the American Economic Association. The reasons they presented for price controls also apply to our present situation.

They argued that as long as bottlenecks made it impossible for supply to meet demand, price controls for important goods should be continued to prevent prices from shooting up. The tsar of wartime price controls, John Kenneth Galbraith, joined these calls. He explained “the role of price controls” would be “strategic”. “No more than the economist ever supposed will it stop inflation,” he added. “But it both establishes the base and gains the time for the measures that do.”

President Truman was aware of the risks of ending price controls. On 30 October 1945, he warned that after the first world war, the US had “simply pulled off the few controls that had been established, and let nature take its course”. And he urged, “The result should stand as a lesson to all of us. A dizzy upward spiral of wages and the cost of living ended in the crash of 1920 – a crash that spread bankruptcy and foreclosure and unemployment throughout the Nation.” Nevertheless, price controls were pulled in 1946, again triggering inflation and a boom-bust cycle.

Today, there is once more a choice between tolerating the ongoing explosion of profits that drives up prices or tailored controls on carefully selected prices. Price controls would buy time to deal with bottlenecks that will continue as long as the pandemic prevails. Strategic price controls could also contribute to the monetary stability needed to mobilize public investments towards economic resilience, climate change mitigation and carbon-neutrality. The cost of waiting for inflation to go away is high. Senator Manchin’s withdrawal from the Build Back Better Act demonstrates the threat of a shrinking policy space at a time when large scale government action is in order. Austerity would be even worse: it risks manufacturing stagflation. We need a systematic consideration of strategic price controls as a tool in the broader policy response to the enormous macroeconomic challenges instead of pretending there is no alternative beyond wait-and-see or austerity.

  • Isabella Weber is an assistant professor of economics at the University of Massachusetts Amherst and the author of How China Escaped Shock Therapy
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I don't know if that'd work out positively, it sounds good but I'm not an economist. If things keep getting worse then you gotta try something, I guess. Maybe start with booting this fraudulent administration.
If you introduce price controls then often that will have to be followed up by forcing people to sell at all. At which point you're nearly (or actually) at forced labour. And that's either feudalism or communism depending on what spin you want to put on it.
 
An economics prof arguing for price controls is like an astronomy prof arguing that the world is flat.

Simple example of why this won't work: Due to CA lockdown policy and supply chain disruption, what used to be a 45-minute job to pick up a container can now take up to six hours. Trucking prices are already adjusting upward, because if a job takes all day, you'd better pay the guy a day's wage. This drives up producer costs on down the chain and materializes at retail.

How are you going to control that price? Only control the retail price, and retailers go bust. Keep going down the line, and now you're telling the trucker he can't make a living at all, so he quits, and now your supply crisis gets even worse.
 
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Why even produce the cans, just send them 100lb pure aluminium bars as can equivalents.
Fuck the deposits altogether at that point. A bucket charcoal furnace is about $50, a muffin tin is perfect for making aluminum ingots. Find places to source used cans and you're ready to melt them down cheaply and you can take those ingots straight to recyclers/foundries. They'll sell for a premium since they are clean/purified when you melt them down and ingots are way easier to melt into workable quantities. You're basically cutting out the state and their deposits/profits out of the process and both you and the salvage yard get that excess. IMPORTANT: a respirator is not optional here. The fumes are about as bad for your brain as huffing gas.

Bars can be good sources but usually already have arrangements. Golf courses are another good option. The best is hitting up fraternity row on Sat/Sun mornings if you're in a university town. Mechanic's shops frequently have cores/scrap they would otherwise pay to dispose of. Anything aluminum is low melting temps and big salvage payouts.
 
If you introduce price controls then often that will have to be followed up by forcing people to sell at all. At which point you're nearly (or actually) at forced labour. And that's either feudalism or communism depending on what spin you want to put on it.
Not disagreeing, but why would not letting a loaf of bread reach $10 lead to forced sales?
 
Wtf? Only £1? I need a source for this. Fuck Coca-Cola btw.
I might believe it if we're only talking about the raw cost of ingredients for the soda syrup. But definitely not for a 24 pack specifically packaged as a 24 pack.

A homeless man in the USA can dig up 24 empty aluminum cans out of the trash and get the USD equivalent of £1 back for the metal. The packaging already uses up the entire £1 budget. It varies from state to state, but Coca-Cola is big enough to move to the state where they could best scam the can system if they are so determined.

This is why we've had articles come through here about California's "Hostile Architecture" and their fugly unusable garbage cans - some homeless folk make their living collecting cans, but when they dig through public bins for a can they make a mess.

Not disagreeing, but why would not letting a loaf of bread reach $10 lead to forced sales?
If bread costs $5 to make and I'm only allowed to sell for $2.5, I'm literally losing money working and it would make more sense for me to go on SNAP and let someone else take the loss.

If I stop pushing out bread, Restaurants and Grocery stores have to go somewhere else. But if the reason it costs so much for me to make bread are universal (rising minimum wage, competing with gibs, yeast shortage, trucker shortage, energy shortage, Floyd Riot 2020 repairs and accompanying insurance premiums)... Probably not worth it for my competitor to stay open either. So there won't be any bread.

The government can do 4 things:
  1. Allow us to charge more for bread. This allows us to afford to pay more for flour and truckers and such and try to get priority on supplies affected by shortages.
  2. Hold a gun to our heads and make us work when we don't want to. Forced sales.
  3. Steal borrow our ovens and do it themselves. Note that this basically means forcing someone else to work, probably a soldier. So it's fake because they'd be subsidizing the cost of bread with the military budget.
  4. Allow the situation to play out and hope that people without bread won't have a summer of love.
I'm going to ignore #3, because as I said that's artificially subsidized. And ignore #1 because we're operating under price controls. So that leaves the government facing the wrath of the people, or sacrificing a few bakers in order to save their own asses. Well, I for one don't trust the government to take the hit.

If you can think of another solution speak up, but keep in mind that anything along the lines of "Give us free flour and yeast so it doesn't cost $5 to produce $2.5 of bread" involves sourcing that flour and yeast from elsewhere so you're just shifting the issue to forcing the upstream to sell to the government instead of forcing the baker to sell to their customers.


We could kind of see this last year with all the arguments over whether or not Trump should use the NDAA on mask manufacturers/meat producers

And remember for all of this: Rules for me, rules for my upstream. If I can charge more, they can as well, so price hikes stack. If it's not economically viable for me to sell under a price control, it won't be for my downstream either, even if they take matters into their own hands and make the bread inhouse. Shortages compound too.
 
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Not price control, but profit control. It costs Coca-Cola around £1 to make a 24 pack crate of coke. It's sold for £7 in shops. Do they need £6 of profit when £3 would do?

I don't know what it's like in yankyland but in the UK (In my experience) the rule of thumb has been 'every time a product is touched, add 35% mark up'. Would it kill the world if we, even temporarily, set the maximum profit/mark up, at say 15%?
Coca-Cola doesn't make any money from the retail sale of their product; the grocery store does. I don't know about the UK, but in the USA, grocery store profit margins tend to run between 3% and 6%. Per-case profits on Coca-Cola are higher, surprise, the grocery store's net profit comes from some goods that make a lot of money to cancel out the loss-leaders. From factory to retail, there is a lot of overhead involved. Doesn't the UK have a VAT, too?
 
Well you have Coke Corporate, their licensed bottler, the distributor, then the store itself. All those people need to get paid.
Not to be pedantic, but I'm an independent operator of a smallish supermarket, and Coke and Pepsi are zero profit items. A 1 dollar 2 liter would cost me 1 dollar to bring into the store. The money I spend in wages to have a clerk count that soda to make sure I got what I paid for is a loss that I can never make back from soda sales alone. That's why in a lot of stores don't have in house staff stock name brand sodas. I'd lose even more money. So Coke, Pepsi, and Canada Dry have to send their own sales rep to pack their shelves out.

The only money that I actually make from large soda companies is the check I get every year for them buying shelf space. If they didn't do their own pack out, and pay me for shelving, I wouldn't even bother carrying them.

A good rule of thumb is if you ever see a sales rep stocking a shelf, that's probably a zero profit or near zero profit item.

But, that's just me as an independent, and I am competing with Wal Mart and Albertsons,so my leverage on pricing is approximately zero, and it may be better for Walmart, but the guys I know who run shop rites and Albertsons stores tell me that they're at near zero profit on soda too.

Edit: what you guys are saying about transport and packaging costs is true 99% of the time, but it just isn't about Come specifically. The argument that's being made still holds up though.
 
If bread costs $5 to make and I'm only allowed to sell for $2.5, I'm literally losing money working and it would make more sense for me to go on SNAP and let someone else take the loss.
However, in practice what happens is that there are 5 bakers whose costs are $5, $6, $7, $8, and $9, and the government sets the maximum bread price at $8.50. The $9 guy gets screwed, and the other four bakers all jack up their prices to precisely $8.50. Supply goes down since the $9 guy is out of the market, the rest of the bakers make out like bandits, and the government brags that they tamed inflation and kept the price increases to only $8.50. Everyone wins - except people who actually need to eat bread.
 
Coca-Cola doesn't make any money from the retail sale of their product; the grocery store does. I don't know about the UK, but in the USA, grocery store profit margins tend to run between 3% and 6%. Per-case profits on Coca-Cola are higher, surprise, the grocery store's net profit comes from some goods that make a lot of money to cancel out the loss-leaders. From factory to retail, there is a lot of overhead involved. Doesn't the UK have a VAT, too?
Had family working in Coca-Cola so you are not far off the point. This corporation makes a shit load of money off of it's commercial contracts delivering coke syrup to businesses.

Also recently, a few years at least the company is diversifying a bit.
 
However, in practice what happens is that there are 5 bakers whose costs are $5, $6, $7, $8, and $9, and the government sets the maximum bread price at $8.50. The $9 guy gets screwed, and the other four bakers all jack up their prices to precisely $8.50. Supply goes down since the $9 guy is out of the market, the rest of the bakers make out like bandits, and the government brags that they tamed inflation and kept the price increases to only $8.50. Everyone wins - except people who actually need to eat bread.
And then the same thing happens upstream with flour, let's say for the sake of argument same numbers too.

It used to cost $5, $6, $7, $8, and $9 but then all becomes universally $8.50. The home bakers notice immediately, supply goes down so shop prices go up even if they're buying on contract because they simply can't keep it in stock. this is the weird place where I'm assuming there's a different max for different end consumers I guess. . Home buyers can't order in bulk straight from the manufacturer to cut costs, even if there is an online store they've fixed prices at $8.50. And they will charge you shipping and handling by weight no matter the purchase size.

Commercial Bakers have contracts so maybe they can get along with "cheap" (normal priced) flour for a few months. They truly make out like bandits because they can charge more, and it costs them less than everyone else, and people are forced to buy from them to get the best deal so prices are up, costs down, and demand up.

Then the time comes to renew their contracts and they're moved up to the $8.50 tier. Maybe $8.0 because they're such good customers who buy in bulk. But overall their costs have jumped by $1 in flour alone from ( $5, $6, $7, $8, and $9 ) to ($6, $7, $8, $9 and $10).

So the people who need to eat bread get fucked, and then they get fucked again a few months later when the effects fully pan out.

And now we're down to 3 bakers. Hopefully they don't have any other costs about to go up, like yeast or eggs...



I like to imagine that the brands that go first will be the hipster brands.
 
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Not to be pedantic, but I'm an independent operator of a smallish supermarket, and Coke and Pepsi are zero profit items. A 1 dollar 2 liter would cost me 1 dollar to bring into the store. The money I spend in wages to have a clerk count that soda to make sure I got what I paid for is a loss that I can never make back from soda sales alone. That's why in a lot of stores don't have in house staff stock name brand sodas. I'd lose even more money. So Coke, Pepsi, and Canada Dry have to send their own sales rep to pack their shelves out.

My info is, now that I think about it, decades out of date. Time passed in an eyeblink.
 
My info is, now that I think about it, decades out of date. Twenty years passed in an eyeblink.
No big deal. It happens. Might also be a regional thing too. Things are done differently in different parts of the country. I only felt the need to jump in because everyone was talking about soda and it's the one thing where the argument doesn't really apply, in my situation at least.

And yeah, time does fly as you get older.
 
No big deal. It happens. Might also be a regional thing too. Things are done differently in different parts of the country. I only felt the need to jump in because everyone was talking about soda and it's the one thing where the argument doesn't really apply, in my situation at least.

And yeah, time does fly as you get older.
There was a time when Coca-Cola was kicking Pepsico's ass at the grocery store because it was providing almost twice the per-case profit to the grocer. This time was uh...I think Clinton was in office. Or maybe Bush Sr. (:_(
 
All i have to say is: :story:

We tried this shit with Maduro forcing at gunpoint to sell products at regulated prices, but rampant corruption and no plans to actually fix inflation made it pointless, there are lists of "accorded" prices but all of them are mostly ignored because they took more time threatening business with it that the prices going to the shit again thanks to inflation

We were so pathetic that printed so much money that could not afford to print more and now American Benjamins are the official currency of the country even when they hate to admit it
 
If bread costs $5 to make and I'm only allowed to sell for $2.5, I'm literally losing money working and it would make more sense for me to go on SNAP and let someone else take the loss.

If I stop pushing out bread, Restaurants and Grocery stores have to go somewhere else. But if the reason it costs so much for me to make bread are universal (rising minimum wage, competing with gibs, yeast shortage, trucker shortage, energy shortage, Floyd Riot 2020 repairs and accompanying insurance premiums)... Probably not worth it for my competitor to stay open either. So there won't be any bread.

The government can do 4 things:
  1. Allow us to charge more for bread. This allows us to afford to pay more for flour and truckers and such and try to get priority on supplies affected by shortages.
  2. Hold a gun to our heads and make us work when we don't want to. Forced sales.
  3. Steal borrow our ovens and do it themselves. Note that this basically means forcing someone else to work, probably a soldier. So it's fake because they'd be subsidizing the cost of bread with the military budget.
  4. Allow the situation to play out and hope that people without bread won't have a summer of love.
I'm going to ignore #3, because as I said that's artificially subsidized. And ignore #1 because we're operating under price controls. So that leaves the government facing the wrath of the people, or sacrificing a few bakers in order to save their own asses. Well, I for one don't trust the government to take the hit.

If you can think of another solution speak up, but keep in mind that anything along the lines of "Give us free flour and yeast so it doesn't cost $5 to produce $2.5 of bread" involves sourcing that flour and yeast from elsewhere so you're just shifting the issue to forcing the upstream to sell to the government instead of forcing the baker to sell to their customers.


We could kind of see this last year with all the arguments over whether or not Trump should use the NDAA on mask manufacturers/meat producers

And remember for all of this: Rules for me, rules for my upstream. If I can charge more, they can as well, so price hikes stack. If it's not economically viable for me to sell under a price control, it won't be for my downstream either, even if they take matters into their own hands and make the bread inhouse. Shortages compound too.
Doesn't the government already procure the food soldiers eat, and aren't they already using the military budget to do so (except only for soldiers)? It'd have to be a pretty bad situation to need them to, but if necessary, what harm would there be in them expanding operations and providing bread not only to soldiers?

Aside from angry bakers, I think the result would be a problem at least temporarily/partially "solved", and more people satisfied than upset. And even the bakers could still probably get by making better bread than the government's and selling to those who can afford it, assuming the government is basically producing loaves of cardboard.

I'm probably overlooking or misunderstanding things, so if I'm thinking wrong I won't be surprised.
 
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