Plagued Consoomers / Consoomer Culture - Because if it has a recogniseable brand on it, I’d buy it!

[Skipjack]

It's not about that at all, though. It's about how no one person is the center of the universe and that everyone, no matter how cool their lives look on the outside, has their own pain and struggle that they are dealing with, and how you shouldn't assume that you are the only one who has problems. A huge part of the overall journey of the film is about the main character learning and realizing that everyone, even the most perfect-seeming and special members of her family, experiences struggles and suffering, and that she isn't actually the only person with problems. It's about how you shouldn't assume that just because someone looks like they have a fabulous, perfect life that they don't have shit they're dealing with.

Basically... it is about trauma and empathy, not in a "you should forgive your bully right now because they're going through some shit" kind of way, but in a "you aren't the main character of the video game called Life and you should recognize that other people have problems and suffer just like you do, no matter how awesome their lives look on the outside" kind of way. It's got a nice side of "don't make assumptions about people, you don't know what's going on in their lives." And it's also about how family and community matters, and how people can come together to solve problems and heal wounds that they couldn't do on their own. It's a really positive, healthy message, especially in our incredibly individualistic world.

Also, Bruno wasn't exiled by his mother and forced to live in the walls. He did that by his own choice in order to protect his niece, Mirabel. He was afraid that his family would turn against her if they knew she was in one of his terribad visions of the future (because of the assumptions they made about him and his visions - another way the film shows that making assumptions is bad!), so he fled and lived in the walls so no one would find out about the vision he had. He comes back in the end and all is forgiven because his family has (emotionally) grown enough that he doesn't have to be afraid of the consequences of his visions anymore.

Finally, I'll note that the movie emphatically doesn't end with everyone acting like "nothing happened". The end of the movie is about the family recognizing what they had done wrong in the past, recognizing each others' suffering, and coming together to rebuild stronger with all that they have learned over the course of the film (and their lives). The whole point is that everything happened and they've learned from it and become closer and stronger and better for it.

(Disclaimer: Not a "Disney Person" really, saw Encanto on Christmas because it was free and really liked it.)

I saw it much differently, but it's not really worth getting into the argument. It could be worse. There's a reason they're acting like Raya stopped existing after a year.

 

[make_it_so]

That game boy table actually looks rather cool and would certainly be a conversation piece for years to come. Not ot mention, you can still play Game Boy games on a Game Boy advanced and Game Boy and game boy replacement parts are easy to come by.

This is a question for this thread in general which I have a tough one to answer. If someone buys lots of lego sets and actually plays with him and puts them in rather fun diorama sets they change every now and again, are they a consoomer or just a massive autist?

I'd lean more toward autist/manchild than consoomer, although I would also say that there's quite a bit of crossover between the two. I always figured a consoomer was someone who would buy or collect a particular product and promote buying or collecting a particular product as a substitute for an actual personality, or who makes it the focus of their existence.

As a Gen-X geezer, guess I pretty much dodged the Disney bullet growing up. All the old classics from the 40's and 50's were still around of course, and re-released on VHS. And they were great, but just a piece of nostalgic early animation, and I don't remember any kids my age being "really into" Disney. Instead we had shit like Star Wars (original trilogy), GI Joe, He-Man, and of course Atari 2600 games. (1980's OG Consooming right there, lemme tell ya. I apologize on behalf of my cohort for starting this shit lol.)

I mean there was the occasional odd bit of Disney memorabilia, but I never saw any kids that seemed super-obsessed with it. The most autistic behavior I remember was a lot of parents (boomer consoomers!) who were obsessed about getting all of the re-released classic movies on VHS. And Disney drove that by only releasing like one or two each year (until '91 when they went crazy), and only having it available in stores for a few months.

From that link:
> Robin Hood was released with a suggested retail price of $79.95 on VHS and Betamax

Jesus Christ that's the equivalent of $200 today. For a fucking VHS tape. wow

That was just the nature of VHS back then - the tapes were expensive to produce, therefore they cost a lot. That's why video rental stores took off in the 1980's - they made being able to watch VHS at home affordable. DVD's were much cheaper to produce, so buying became not nearly as prohibitive. This was ultimately one of the many reasons that led to Blockbuster going out of business.

 

[Skipjack]

I don't know how to multiquote in an edit but I didn't see this at first and wanted to respond, so apologies for the double post.

Like I said, I can definitely see why someone who is learning animation or appreciates it will rewatch Disney movies. Sort of like how writers will re-read their favourite books. There are definitely things you can take away from them, especially if you want to learn the actual craft and will study scenes.

But then when you go outside the movies and look at Disney as a whole, it does become baffling how people will dedicate themselves to it. Where they "live and breathe" Disney. It's not to learn anything or study film techniques - it's just because it's "Disney".

I have a very niche interest in musical storytelling, and Disney Renaissance had some absolute gems if you want to study that art... but it stops there. I can even tell you the exact moment everything fell apart for good: Let It Go. Unlike most Broadway/musical-style songs, Let It Go had a pop chord progression. It's why it was such an earworm, and why parents were being driven mad by their children singing it nonstop for three months. After that, Disney's doubled-down and has turned their focus to more marketable radio-friendly songs. It's why How Far I'll Go has the same chord progression and Encanto from what I've heard it mostly that Latin pop + "whoa-oa" stuff. Lin-Manuel Miranda is not a very good musical writer, especially following in the footsteps of some legitimate geniuses like Ashman and Schwartz. Disney likely just tagged him because people loved Hamilton and mass appeal in the bottom line. Encanto rhymed "Madrigal/magical" and "arepa/weather" in the same song. Come on, now.

Anyway, it's hard to say anything about this because most people don't consciously think about it. People just assume Disney makes the Best Songs, like they make The Best Cartoons, always. A great comparison is "Friend Like Me" compared to "You're Welcome." Functionally, the songs serve the same purpose in their respectful films. One is incredibly fun and witty, the other is slow and dull, like a first draft. But Disney just wants the name recognition, so it doesn't matter. As long as How Far I'll Go makes adult children weep tears of nostalgia someday, it's fine.

It's especially jarring when you compare it to other contemporaries. I saw Moana in 2018 and already forgot the main story. I saw Kubo and the Two Strings in 2016 and I don't think I'll ever forget that movie, it's a gorgeous marvel. DreamWorks' best blows 2000's Disney out of the water any day. But even the Oscars don't give a shit, award to Disney. The only thing that changed their minds was Spiderverse. But before that? Big Hero 6 over Song of The Sea. Zootopia over Kubo. Coco over Loving Vincent. The list goes on. I think my favorite is the year Wreck-it-Ralph lost to Brave, despite the former being objectively better, because the only thing people slobber over more than Disney is Pixar.

 

[Jah Hates Kaffirs]

“What do you think?” he demanded impetuously.

“About what?”

He waved his hand toward the bookshelves.

“About that. As a matter of fact you needn’t bother to ascertain. I ascertained. They’re real.”

“The books?”

He nodded.

“Absolutely real—have pages and everything. I thought they’d be a nice durable cardboard. Matter of fact, they’re absolutely real. Pages and—Here! Lemme show you.”

Taking our scepticism for granted, he rushed to the bookcases and returned with Volume One of the Stoddard Lectures.

“See!” he cried triumphantly. “It’s a bona-fide piece of printed matter. It fooled me. This fella’s a regular Belasco. It’s a triumph. What thoroughness! What realism! Knew when to stop, too—didn’t cut the pages. But what do you want? What do you expect?”

Was Gatsby a consoomer?

 

[MrB]

Was Gatsby a consoomer?

The whole point of the book was that they were a bunch of nouveau riche losers who were trying to buy their way into having clout.

 

[George Lucas]

It's not about that at all, though. It's about how no one person is the center of the universe and that everyone, no matter how cool their lives look on the outside, has their own pain and struggle that they are dealing with, and how you shouldn't assume that you are the only one who has problems. A huge part of the overall journey of the film is about the main character learning and realizing that everyone, even the most perfect-seeming and special members of her family, experiences struggles and suffering, and that she isn't actually the only person with problems. It's about how you shouldn't assume that just because someone looks like they have a fabulous, perfect life that they don't have shit they're dealing with.

Basically... it is about trauma and empathy, not in a "you should forgive your bully right now because they're going through some shit" kind of way, but in a "you aren't the main character of the video game called Life and you should recognize that other people have problems and suffer just like you do, no matter how awesome their lives look on the outside" kind of way. It's got a nice side of "don't make assumptions about people, you don't know what's going on in their lives." And it's also about how family and community matters, and how people can come together to solve problems and heal wounds that they couldn't do on their own. It's a really positive, healthy message, especially in our incredibly individualistic world.

Also, Bruno wasn't exiled by his mother and forced to live in the walls. He did that by his own choice in order to protect his niece, Mirabel. He was afraid that his family would turn against her if they knew she was in one of his terribad visions of the future (because of the assumptions they made about him and his visions - another way the film shows that making assumptions is bad!), so he fled and lived in the walls so no one would find out about the vision he had. He comes back in the end and all is forgiven because his family has (emotionally) grown enough that he doesn't have to be afraid of the consequences of his visions anymore.

Finally, I'll note that the movie emphatically doesn't end with everyone acting like "nothing happened". The end of the movie is about the family recognizing what they had done wrong in the past, recognizing each others' suffering, and coming together to rebuild stronger with all that they have learned over the course of the film (and their lives). The whole point is that everything happened and they've learned from it and become closer and stronger and better for it.

(Disclaimer: Not a "Disney Person" really, saw Encanto on Christmas because it was free and really liked it.)

Sounds like gay shit.

What was wrong with Raya? I never saw it. The protagonist somehow doesn’t look very Asian. Mulan on the other hand looks Chinese and I know a lot of Chinese people who really like her and that movie (the animated version with a fucking Jerry Goldsmith score). Hong Kongers of course hate the remake.

Hunchback was actually an influence in my conversion to Christianity. I think that’s testament enough of its impact.

 

[proteus4994]

The Black Cauldron is a pretty odd one for Disney and a bit underated i would say.

The Black Cauldron suffers from being adapted from the second book in a series, which is a weird jumping-in point, as well as changing the ending to a more kid friendly ending, which kinda negates the entire point of the book. I still don’t know what Disney was thinking with that one, but I really wish the Chronicles of Prydain would get another shot from someone, because the books were some of my favorites as a kid.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

The Black Cauldron suffers from being adapted from the second book in a series, which is a weird jumping-in point, as well as changing the ending to a more kid friendly ending, which kinda negates the entire point of the book. I still don’t know what Disney was thinking with that one, but I really wish the Chronicles of Prydain would get another shot from someone, because the books were some of my favorites as a kid.

Interesting, i didn't know it was based on a book. That makes sense with how Disney rolls, for every daring artistic choice there's ten obtuse compromises following their corporate logic, just like with hunchback, theyn can never just commit the whole way.

They own a ton of IPs too so there's plenty of cool things that won't get adapted at all by anyone else because Disney is choosing to shelve them until it feels like half butchering it to fit their mold.

 

[Kuchipatchi]

This thread has become some sort of Disney sperging thread so here's someone who tattooed Slim Shady albums onto their leg.

Consoom music and get excited for next album.

 

[Retired Junta Member]

The whole point of the book was that they were a bunch of nouveau riche losers who were trying to buy their way into having clout.

Except Gatsby, an atypical new rich man whose money was more of a mob cover. Plus, his aim was to psychotically recreate the alternate reality in which he would marry Daisy and live with her a new life of well-being and innocence.

An extreme simp, if you will.

 

[Namekian George Floyd]

Yeah, if Disney gets into a kid's brain at a young enough age, they're usually in for life. They go after kids harder than a pedophile and they sink those fangs in deep.

Disney fully understands the long game when it comes to creating fanatics and 100% prioritizes kids above all else in their park operations. They'll drop everything (including older guests) to make sure a young child isn't having a bad time at their parks. Hell, if a parent dolls up their daughter in "princess" garb for her park visit, they'll mute their own fucking ads and shush everybody just to shine a spotlight on her and announce to everyone that they've been graced with the presence of a Disney Princess(tm). And that will happen everywhere she goes all fucking day long. Want to see Disney actually cough up a non-trivial freebie or two? Send your "princess" in first wherever you go in the parks. Employees have been fired for not making a big enough spectacle of it, so they tend to put out the good china when they turn up.

Fucking lunatics.

And god help your lady friend if she ever realizes Disney has a vacation cruise line that sails to tropical destinations. She'll die penniless and alone.

Don't the women who play the Disney princesses get super fucking depressed when they leave the job because they went from being treated like an actual princess pretty much every fucking day to being a normal woman again?

 

[KID NAMED SCHWARMAPUNK]

I'm out of touch, do kids now even like any newer original Disney IPs?

I still see Frozen 2 merchandise everywhere, but the ugly dragon movie they made recently had merch that went to clearance at my store pretty quickly, I can't think of any cartoons they make that is actually watched by kids and not adults. I know Disney owns tons of other studios now, but I'm drawing a blank anything "classic Disney" that's popular with kids and not adults.

'Emperors new groove' will always be my favourite.
Still, would've been interesting if 'Kingdom of the sun' had seen the light of day.

 

[Skipjack]

Sounds like gay shit.

What was wrong with Raya? I never saw it.

MC's father was killed and her country effectively destroyed after she was betrayed by this one girl. Five years later after learning to open up again MC decides to forgive this girl and learn to trust or something because forgiveness is a good Protestant value and Disney needs those Baptistbux.

Anyway

This thread has become some sort of Disney sperging thread so here's someone who tattooed Slim Shady albums onto their leg.
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Consoom music and get excited for next album.

Don't forget spending hundreds for concert tickets

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

I saw Hunchback in theatres when I was clearly *too young* for it (birthday parties lol), but I always remember Quasimodo holding up Esmerelda's body while shouting "Sanctuary" because despite their faults, Disney's art direction is impressive enough for you to remember key scenes.

Honestly Hunchback and Beauty and The Beast are pretty underrated by Disney fans I feel.

 

[Pissmaster]

This thread has become some sort of Disney sperging thread so here's someone who tattooed Slim Shady albums onto their leg.
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Consoom music and get excited for next album.

Tattoos like this always remind me of that one girl who got a tattoo of a Lostprophets lyric, then heavily regretted it after the lead singer from the band turned out to be a literal baby raper. Here's a post I made about her ages ago in the Bad Tattoos thread


so if Eminem turns out to be a baby raper, that guy'll be pretty unhappy lmao

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Tattoos like this always remind me of that one girl who got a tattoo of a Lostprophets lyric, then heavily regretted it after the lead singer from the band turned out to be a literal baby raper. Here's a post I made about her ages ago in the Bad Tattoos thread
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so if Eminem turns out to be a baby raper, that guy'll be pretty unhappy lmao

What's even funnier to me than that is the fact that she can't separate the lyric and the message that had meaning to her from the creators themselves in order to make it meaningful to her on it's own.

 

[make_it_so]

Stolen from @Nathan Higgers from the "Pictures on the Internet that made you laugh hysterically" thread. I haven't seen TBOBF and don't have Disney+, so is this accurate? I mean, from the trailers it looked pretty boring. Is it really just a bunch of 'Memberberries?

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

consoom bottlecaps and get excited for next bottlecap

 

[Accept Only Substitutes]

consoom bottlecaps and get excited for next bottlecap

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This is good coonsuming.

 

[Thief of Tables]

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My mom got me a Game of Thrones Funko pop for Christmas a few years ago. I'm not one to throw away a gift so it still sits on my shelf.

EDIT: I should've read literally the next post before replying cause you guys already talked about this.