I just took it as them enjoying it as B-move shlock. Given their taste, it’s not really surprising. Hell, Mike started by listing off all the ways the movie was terrible before saying he loved it because how how bad it was.
they really are stuck in the early 2000s, its the same reason they got a boner over the meta elements. This is what happens when you aren't online. your cool beliefs end up becoming stuff even reddit mocks. Space cop being dogshit is because they just suck, the director of King Kong:Skull Island was in the same sphere as them and had to deal with the same bullshit that came with making low budget films but didn't hide behind ironybro bullshit. even people in their same sphere and age group are now making legit schlock films instead of this shit.
I genuinely wish people a-logged them more. they are such a relic its bizarre.
You just asked a massive question about parenting trends. Academic Agent covered it in depth, but here are my opinions on the subject. Before the Boomers, the generations before them were pre-WWII and largely beholden to roughly the same Christian morality understood in 19th century. "Spare the rod, spoil the child." After WWII, the founding myth of the Western world was established as the anti-Nazi history (while covering up our connection to Stalinist Russia) and the Boomers were the first generation to receive this "understanding" of history.
Boomers- This generation is the post WWII generation and the genesis of modern counter-culture. The lionization of the Hippies and the Civil Rights movement start here, as well as Doctor Spock's general rejection of "Spare the rod." I would say this generation is where the "Fuck you Dad!" attitude came from, which include rampant drug use, pretending that drug use is superior to alcohol use, the fetishization--and lack of actual understanding--of Eastern philosophies, and the belief that non-violent resistance is the only effective and legitimate form of effecting political change. On the individual level, it is expressed as an unwillingness to spank and Boomers have a weird neurosis on this form of punishment.
80s media, such as
Quantum Leap and
Back to the Future, also idolizes the 50s. Carsey Werner productions, such as
That 70s Show, are Boomer Truth regime shows. For a long time, American media catered to this demographic, which is why many people on this site blame Boomers for our society's general dumbassery.
Gen X- I personally hate this generation the most due to their arrogance in the arts. Academic Agent uses Daria as a psychological example. I use Holden Caulfield. While I could not say that all Boomers were hippies, I can definitely say that all Gen Xers are metalheads that think their art is the bestest art ever! Their art is fine largely for its willingness to experiment, but best is overselling it. Their blasé attitude led to the belief that being blase was cool, that cynicism was the path to wisdom, not a tool. It's extremely noticeable when watching both Battlestar Galacticas. The original with Lorne Greene was effectively Exodus in space. The one produced by Ron Moore is Gen X art at its pinnacle, where everyone is a cynical jerk, faith can't possibly be real, and grim-dark decisions are the correct ones.
Millenials- These people became narcissist, dangerhair faggots due to two generations of parents that were permissive or so self-absorbed in the profundity of their thoughts and culture that they neglected to check these perpetual children. Boomers failed to discipline their children properly and Gen Xers taught them that nothing really matters.
So, to actually relate it to RLM, they--and the Wachowskis for that matter--hipsterism is more important than actual storytelling and creativity. It's reflected in the movies they make. Space Cop would have been funnier if the cuts were snappier and they finetuned the straightman/comedic relief between the two cops. Instead, weird or straight-up bad decisions in filming locations make it not work.
Bring on the Moai.
Academic Agent on the Boomer Truth Regime
thats a great long form summary, a big reason for the GenX hatred of "popular" culture was the fact that their population wasn't high enough for marketers to pander to them as much, thats why you have a shitload of nostalga bait in the 80s and then kiddie films in the 90s, millennials birth numbers are so high that genX is sort of a forgotten generation in mainstream culture, so it was only indie media or guys who didn't give a fuck about making money that really embraced them. its also why the love of 80s is sort of hilarious in hindsight, all the GenX art about how awful things were and how shit tv shows like Full House were didn't amount to an iota of nostalgia or love. Most shows set in the 80s don't even feature a sterotypical GenXer, and the characters are more millenial stand ins for people rather than authentic beings. same thing with the shows set in the 90s, no one repeating the same crap about how awful the mainstream media is, or not embracing cultural trends. GenX might as well be scalies with how little impact they made on culture. outside of news articles they really didn't get a single bit of media or success.
the problem is that whole "above it all" feel usually is a mask for being inadequate rather than truely being better than the average normie. the fact that all their output is dogshit, especially compared to other wisconsin low budget film makers of their age and experience shows how its just bitterness and a love of destruction. it would be like if someone here called them up and said they'd rape that one chick Mike was dating. its fun and enjoyable if you don't care about these faggots or their families.
The worst part is Mike and the crew know this, their depression when talking about trek or wars was blatant. the subverting expectations did more to fuck those universes more than mainstream bullshit.
That is one of the worst takes I have heard RLM ever say.
Edit : I finished watching the review and they indulge in the only thing I really hate about RLM.
"It was meta and that excuses it from it's flaws." The entire first act was the worst part of the movie, it was mega in the most shallow, meaningless way possible.
"They are remaking it, and are going to just talk out of their asses about all the things people liked about the first movie, in the most heavy handed, jaded, sanitized, stereotypical way possible."
and RLM gives it a pass because "META GUYS."
rewatch space cop, these "people" have shit taste, also every other B-movie nowadays does meta bullshit and has since Tromeo and Juliet. so acting like its a subsitute for good filmmaking is completely exceptional
RLM has been slipping for a few years now, but I think this review really takes the cake. They're basically at a point of being faggy Josh-esque hipsters who care more about meta commentary than a film not being absolute garbage. The idea that the film should get a pass for being shit because Matrix fans are cringey or whatever is fucking rich coming from the people who published the Star Trek/Plinkett reviews.
The fact that they seem to rate everything on streaming more lenient simply because they didn't have to lug their asses to a movie theater is also getting old. Yeah, movie theaters suck that doesn't mean garbage should get a pass just because you didn't have to put much effort into watching it or already paid for the streaming service. That's why Netflix is as shit as it is today.
they've been faggots the entire time its just people can see it more blatantly now, if they were born 5 years later their views on the sequel trilogy/nutrek and this film would have been the exact reverse.
I've grown to judge movies less harshly if they're up on a streaming service compared to if I go to a theater or rent them, but it's never made me swing from it's bad to it's good. It could be more emblematic of the modern time where it's all just inoffensive, forgetful time killing.
This and the Chooper best of the worst spotlight were some of the weakest they've ever done.
i think thats a personal fault a lot of us have, we're still in the obama-era "any film put online rather than theaters deserves an A+ for effort" feel we all had back when kickassia and There Will Be Brawl was released.
We're judging $200 million budget films the same way we judged Lindsay Ellis' acting debut.
The boys falling for a meta con is annoying but expected. They always do. "Getting" that kind of thing is part of their self-image. Maybe a Gen X trait, as above. I'm one of those geezers, and as a kid I loved that smug shit. I don't understand how anyone wouldn't "get" it, though. It's always the same. Even OGs of self-reflexive irony like Letterman and Gilbert Sorrentino seem lame now, not for stupid David Foster Wallace reasons, but because it's been repeated so many times it's retrospectively become shtick.
The weird thing was how much Mike admires the first Matrix movie. He kinda got angry about it. Alcoholic dementia! Jay was scared to say that he preferred eXistenZ.
the problem is as artists, critics, and especially human beings you should expect more from your art, its why the star wars went from simple stormtrooper killing to an imperial civil war with game of thrones-esque backstabbing, battlefield generals being able to outmatch a farmboy's magic powers and an alien race thats a mix of cenobites and event horizon testing the morals of the main characters.
Because the flynn effect shows we'd naturally move beyond what was the height of culture and humor decades ago. even if we grew up with it as kids or forced it on our own kids. its why comedy legends like conan or letterman or hicks or stanhope really get the same love from comedy nerds as they did they when they first were hyped up. if RLM was a few decades older they'd be whining about how Rick Berman ruined star trek and lovingly embrace Kiss as the best rockband.
It could also be that TFA was a movie that did listen to Plinkett reviews, right down to getting JJ to direct it, so they were validated by Hollywood people. Contrary to what they say about the Hollywood system, they do want validation from them, hence the B and C list celebrities that show up on their show sometimes.
thats another problem i have, RLM still has that same "we're just a couple guys in milwakee lol penguin of d00m" feel from when it started despite that being bullshit. its like Shoe0nhead acting like she's still a cute smol girl like she was in 2014 when she started making internet videos, its obvious they're affecting things, to the point where Johnson literally gave them a shitload of shoutouts during TLJ's filming, marketing, and release. Its why by ROTS they prefaced their review trying to debunk/sidestep the fact that its literally the movie Mike asked for in the plinkett reviews.
i think the big reason so many people are pissed about the review is because most people don't fall for that meta bullshit anymore, it was cute but played out a decade ago. even the original X-Men film had meta jokes. for fucks sake. its literally trickled down into kids shows.
This entire debacle reminds me of when RLM got one of their mock videos flagged because they didn't want to review transformers or jurassic world so instead did some bullshit joke review and their fans jokingly flagged it in response. the very next video was them berating their fans for not enjoying their joke review and that they'd quit entirely if someone pulled that on them again. but on the plus side they never did that type of video ever again. which leads me to this, they hate their fanbase and enjoy anything that shits on the fanbase of anything ever.unless its something they themselves are fans of.
