Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Adamska]

I still think there's enough wiggle room for them to pull it off, especially with kid yoda involved. A lot of it kinda felt like they were giving the barest amount of lip service to pre existing Disney shit.

The consoomer justifies and deludes themselves on why they should pay a company money to break their arms and rapes their cats, and then cheer because their pet cat they're raping has a mando helmet on them.

Anyways, the thing with Ahsoka that proves she should've fucking died is she really doesn't do anything outside of Dave's fanfictions and has no real impact on the OT or the DT. If they tried to make a new story with her, with the idea that she's trying to find her master's kid and tries to help him, that'd have been something.

But Disney killed that with the ST. Thus making her existence worthless. But Dave, being a retard who literally has people refuse to die of old age when they fucking should (he has several characters who should by now), can't let go.

That's what makes him the shittiest "official" writer I've seen this side of Paul Feig. Because when literal fanfic writers understand concepts better than you, you need to be fired.

 

[King Dead]

Disney made the fundamental mistake so many businesses do right before they ruin a mature product: "This thing practically prints money, so it's impossible to fuck up. We can use it to do whatever we want." Then they destroy the core things that made it print money. They needed a coherent trilogy of movies with a likable cast of characters, and instead they got Kathleen Kennedy taking out her anger at not being considered one of the pretty girls on the audience.

That's pretty much Bob Iger's entire tenure at Disney: buy up popular thing, milk it to hell and back, profit. I guess the early success of the MCU got him to crave more, and he figured he could do the same with Star Wars with no issue. Then his ego led him to buy up 20th Century Fox and remove a competitor from the game (as well as reclaiming some Marvel rights in the process). But once the cracks began to show, he bailed out with a fat paycheck and left the minions to deal with the aftermath. Thanks, asshole.

You really do see this a lot, though, the belief that buying an IP also buys the fanbase associated with it. To an extent that's true, as they'll generally go along with whatever you do at first because of their loyalty to the franchise. But if you keep shitting on them over and over, like we've seen with a depressing amount of properties over the years, then the bulk will quit on you and find something else to do with their time. There will still be those too loyal or stupid to leave, but it won't be enough to support it in the long run, and attempts to replace the lost fans will never bring in the same dedicated fanbase as before.

Unfortunately, this is likely to keep happening for a variety of reasons, not the least of which being the insane amount of money these corporations have to throw at whatever they think they can milk a profit out of. There's not much we can do about it beyond refusing to engage when they shit on the things we love.

 

[The Ugly One]

That's pretty much Bob Iger's entire tenure at Disney: buy up popular thing, milk it to hell and back, profit. I guess the early success of the MCU got him to crave more, and he figured he could do the same with Star Wars with no issue. Then his ego led him to buy up 20th Century Fox and remove a competitor from the game (as well as reclaiming some Marvel rights in the process). But once the cracks began to show, he bailed out with a fat paycheck and left the minions to deal with the aftermath. Thanks, asshole.

You really do see this a lot, though, the belief that buying an IP also buys the fanbase associated with it. To an extent that's true, as they'll generally go along with whatever you do at first because of their loyalty to the franchise. But if you keep shitting on them over and over, like we've seen with a depressing amount of properties over the years, then the bulk will quit on you and find something else to do with their time. There will still be those too loyal or stupid to leave, but it won't be enough to support it in the long run, and attempts to replace the lost fans will never bring in the same dedicated fanbase as before.

Unfortunately, this is likely to keep happening for a variety of reasons, not the least of which being the insane amount of money these corporations have to throw at whatever they think they can milk a profit out of. There's not much we can do about it beyond refusing to engage when they shit on the things we love.

It's a phenomenon as old as civilization. Hubris and nemesis were common themes in classical Greece. You get big, you feel invincible, feeling invincible makes you fuck up, and the downfall comes.

The crazy thing is, Disney could have been wildly successful with the MCU approach to Star Wars:

1. Hire some lesser-known, but charismatic actors who haven't been typecast yet.
2. The lead should be a handsome, likable white male who:
   1. Looks great in costume
   2. Entertains the kids
   3. Men want to be him
   4. Women want to be with him
3. Write a blueprint of a straightforward story arc that doesn't introduce too much complexity and sticks to classic, relatable beats.

If that's what they would have done, no, they wouldn't have created the cultural juggernaut that the OT was, but they would have entertained adults and kept the kiddies clamoring for toys. But they did none of that. They felt invincible, so they made Star Wars a vehicle for in-your-face diversity and sour-faced feminism, without even bothering to come up with a plot beforehand.

 

[Sneed F91]

@The Gangster Computer
The Bobawank never made sense to me, and now it's turned into a joke. It's kind of poetic how they hyped up Captain Phasma in The Fail Awakens to be the new Boba Fett. I assumed she was gonna be like Boba but actually doing stuff and having a character apart from "badass in a costume". Little did I know JJ was gonna throw her in the garbage for some shitty in-joke. I was going to write something else but the video of the line of Boba Fatass cosplayers at Celebration made me forget was I was going to write.

Orson Krennic was a good character

Meh. On paper he's a good character but he rides the line of being too much like a First Order officer from Disney's shitty sequels, being so over the top and yelling to the point that I can't take him seriously. None of the other Imperial officers from the OT are like that. Mendelsohn is great though and his costume is perfect though.

The imperial defector was pretty throw away but I liked what I saw with everyone else.

The establishing shot for Andor was pretty great. I do like the idea of him being this ruthless black ops man for the Rebels and Id probably enjoy his show if its more like this.

Chirrut was great. and I say this as someone who's never seen IP man. It was a fun little game to try and figure out what his deal was as the movie was going on. I like how it shows a more realistic look at what a skilled force sensitive could do without training.

I like how Blaze is an asian version of the TF2 heavy weapons guy.



Jyn is entirely defined by being Felicia Jones, but I like her so she gets a pass.

I like how Krennic an intelligent officer, but he's too self absorbed to be wise in his actions.

It says a lot when the most memorable thing about all of these characters is that they die in the end. It's the same problem I had with the director's Godzilla film, Garreth Edwards can't direct actors for shit. I don't care about any of these characters and there as interesting as cardboard. I'm not sure how I feel about Star Wars being grimdark and "realistic". It's odd seeing George's movies feel a certain way tonally and Disney's garbage being MCU-lite goofy bullshit but RO attempting to be like an actual war movie.

Edwards himself called it a "family film", and I guess it is considering there's no blood and no gore, but it's very dour. Don't get me wrong I like plenty of serious films, but still. I guess Rogue One is more for "adults" who need to feel that Star Wars should be gritty and mature, like it's grown up with them so they don't feel embarrassed for liking it. The type of people who think there should be a movie that's nothing but Vader killing people for 2 hours.

It's also embarrassing how RO's battle scenes mog the shit out of everything from every other Disney Wars movie.

It's a phenomenon as old as civilization. Hubris and nemesis were common themes in classical Greece. You get big, you feel invincible, feeling invincible makes you fuck up, and the downfall comes.

The crazy thing is, Disney could have been wildly successful with the MCU approach to Star Wars:

1. Hire some lesser-known, but charismatic actors who haven't been typecast yet.
2. The lead should be a handsome, likable white male who:
   1. Looks great in costume
   2. Entertains the kids
   3. Men want to be him
   4. Women want to be with him
3. Write a blueprint of a straightforward story arc that doesn't introduce too much complexity and sticks to classic, relatable beats.

If that's what they would have done, no, they wouldn't have created the cultural juggernaut that the OT was, but they would have entertained adults and kept the kiddies clamoring for toys. But they did none of that.

The cast wasn't the problem with the sequels, everything else was. I know exactly why Rey was written the way she was (and I would have really liked a young female Jedi protagonist), but I still have no idea why Ridley was chosen. I like Boyega but he was only cast for diversity points because JJ's an asshole. I might be in the minority but I think that Adam Driver could have played the protagonist with the criteria you listed. Maybe like a mix of Luke and Han in terms of personality. He's not classically handsome like Mark or Hayen were but he sort of looks like Harrison Ford.

Instead they made his character some faggy edgelord Vader proxy/genocidal psychopath who can't decide if he's 16 or 36 and wears a dumbass costume so they could sell toys. And of course the son of Han and Leia has to be evil because fuck you. Then they decided it should be an Evangelion style deconstruction as done by Mel Brooks because fuck you.

They felt invincible, so they made Star Wars a vehicle for in-your-face diversity and sour-faced feminism, without even bothering to come up with a plot beforehand.

This is solely because TFA was as undeservedly well received and successful as it was. If people tore it to shreds like TLJ then they might have changed things up before it was too late. But that was never going to happen.

 

[The Ugly One]

Female protagonists in action/adventure films are an extremely risky proposition.

• Protag can't be heavily made up or it looks like a jiggle flick...
• ...which means the actress look mature and serious with neutral makeup
• ....which Ridley absolutely did not

Star Wars era Daisy Ridley looked like she weighed 85 lbs soaking wet and had about as threatening a war face as Elf on a Shelf. This is aside from the inherent risk of having a female action/adventure protag. Audiences don't like seeing women get hurt, so you've got to be a hell of a director to pull off something like a woman getting her hand cut off and her face beaten in, yet still have enough feminine vulnerability to be a convincing female character, and not a male character who just so happened to have a girl cast in the role. In other words, to make it work, they needed to find a new Sigourney Weaver/Ridley Scott matchup, which is a moonshot casting.

Then, to make it work, you need a director with the balls to show us a female character struggling, having setbacks, and achieving growth, without caring that the usual suspects will weep and wail about how Rey needing to learn how to fly a ship from a FUCKING WHITE MALE is toxic masculinity or whatever. Which they also did not have.

Casting the fat-faced Viet chick as John Boyega's love interest was such a tremendously bad choice that they had to scrub that entire story arc. Boyega himself was a bad choice because any black/white romantic tension is hard to pull off. I'm not saying a good director can't, but it's hard, and you need the stars to align to make it work.

Adam Driver was fine, but badly written. Same with the Jewish pilot guy.

 

[Uranus Pink]

On a different subject for a second, thanks to the EU writers from the very beginning to present day casting all white male humans as anti-xeno human supremacists. How long will is be before Disney really notices it and recast the white male human rebels in the original trilogy with diversity hires?

 

[Creep3r]

Now this is odd and suspicious.

Anyways, the thing with Ahsoka that proves she should've fucking died is she really doesn't do anything outside of Dave's fanfictions and has no real impact on the OT or the DT. If they tried to make a new story with her, with the idea that she's trying to find her master's kid and tries to help him, that'd have been something.

Spoiler: Ahsoka shit

You can tell Filoni desperately wants to ascend her after he not only had her be the only jedi allowed to survive after the Disney sequels and now having her as Thrawn's main enemy, but also having her own the Time Owl and reminding us that she has literal goddess essence inside her. And to add to why she should've died, even George wanted her to die, but Filoni refused and fought tooth and nail to keep her going, which is kind of ironic since when Filoni first joined TCW, he insisted that Anakin didn't have a padawan, while George did for the sake of having a lead that appealed to the child demographic and gave Anakin a sidekick/friend.

Filoni Says George Lucas is '"Full-On 'Ahsoka Dies' Camp'" - Inside the Magic

Dave Filoni has confirmed George Lucas wanted to kill Ahsoka Tano, meaning she could not have appeared in 'The Mandalorian.' Details here.

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I guess George must've realized Filoni was getting too attached to her and putting her in the center stage too often, causing Filoni Wars kiddies to become more attached to her than his legacy characters. George even started developing Detours and other media with no Ahsoka in sight if that wasn't telling enough. But Filoni refused to back down, and when Disney came on board, Filoni not only got his wish, but his show was the only media aside from the films allowed to stay in Disney's corny canon, and he got the chance to turn his orange wife into the new face of the franchise.

Also its always baffling how shameless her fans are in their horny thirst for her and her midriff outfit when the character was supposedly 14; and if we ignore Filoni, Fry, Traviss and Disney's claims about her age, George outright says that she was 11 years old when the show started.

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Which makes all the thirsting for her kid-self even worse.

And when its not thirstposting, they want her and Vader-Anakin to get together, then they thirstpost about that and her evil outfits instead.

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This crap is like 50% of SW discussions now.

how they hyped up Captain Phasma in The Fail Awakens to be the new Boba Fett

The pathetic part is they tried multiple times to boost her to the same status that the LFL of the past did with Boba by giving Phasma her own novel, comics and even making her the main villain in that awful Resistance cartoon, yet unlike Boba's past spinoff material, none of it was well received, made money, expanded the character or even inspired anything. Instead the only thing memorable from her spinoffs was the cringe surrounding her menstrual cycles (this is actually a thing). They thought they could repeat the same thing they did with Boba but with their trashy new OC and it all backfired on them because they didn't understand what the draw of the Boba was or how to handle spinoff material. Boba had cool and original armor, and was later made a merciless mystery man who kept things to himself but had a weirdo sense of honor who made an over the top escape that sounded cool thanks to a successful novel series, while Phasma was just a chrome nu-stormtrooper with a red cape and nothing original who did less than nothing, and whose spinoff media turned out to be a flop, so they try and make her more important in TLJ, which turned out to be an even bigger mess, and then try again by making her a cartoon, and that flops even harder. So now they go back to Boba to try and recapture his appeal to make up for lost time while failing to realize why the character was popular in the first place. They make him a fat washed up know-nothing who makes constant mistakes, barely uses the iconic helmet nor the silent attitude that his fans actually got attached to (not the actor), and then they make his "legendary" escape like the smallest and most insignificant point in the new story instead of the central part while brushing over it just to honor Patton Oswalt's gay script ideas. Its not even surprising why Bounty Hunter Wars is seeing a drastic boost in sales at this point.

This is solely because TFA was as undeservedly well received and successful as it was. If people tore it to shreds like TLJ then they might have changed things up before it was too late. But that was never going to happen.

Amen.


Anyway, speaking of what Disney has been up to, aside from the Book of Boba Fett, they're still trying to boost the appeal of their High Republic garbage by having the non-binary tranny jedi (the human one on the cover) and his jedi master pals start a baking contest for a World's Fair thing where the baked goodies will act as the grand prize for the first ever Jedi Race! Gee willickers isn't that freaking exciting?!

(That is some fucked up art)
This is what the High Republic is all about folks. Baked goods, gay times, fighting Fallout and Mad Max rejects, and getting smoked by alien weed monsters.

Also Disney's new SW hotel has lost over 50% of its reservations.

Up to 10 grand.

 

[PseudoScrooge]

Here's the thing, and feel free to give me all the rainbows in the world, but with the time travel element there exists the possibility that Filoni will use ashoka to spin off another universe separate from the sequels. A have your cake and eat it solution if you will.

Is it naively optimistic? Probably, they still make books and comics on sequel shit, but we've seen how little money it makes. It's most likely being pumped out to placate Kennedy and the few woke fans.

<Rainbows initiated>. What you just did was take a Disney crime, reinterpret it through your own headcanon, and hope that it would really happen because it "fixes" said crime. You know as well as I do that that's never gonna happen, though. (Disney doesn't fix their mistakes...firstly, they'd have to admit they made mistakes.)

Also, I'm throwing this in, but think about the Space Anus in this sense: from here on out, there are no threats; you just use the Space Sphincter to undo them. Why not go back and stop the Death Star from being built? Why not stop the Emperor from being born? It eliminates all of the stakes, the drama, and any point in general.

@The Gangster Computer said:

With Disney though, Star Wars has become a literal lifestyle brand and religion that is synonymous with woke culture and now takes itself way more seriously than it needs to.

I think this hits the nail on the head. As was said earlier, Disney does indeed have that holier-than-thou attitude about the output of their franchises, but it's not because they regard their Star Wars excretions or Marvel drivel as art. Far from it. It's because they are accomplishing the all-important SJW work and "changing the world" via being on the "right side of history," because politics has supplanted all that was once entertainment, and if you dare to disagree, you're simply a bigot and a hater. Therefore they can fuck up all they like, and actually chastise you for not liking it.

However, the good news is, you don't have to support it, and their target demographic hardly spends any money either.

 

[Michael Wade]

The consoomer justifies and deludes themselves on why they should pay a company money to break their arms and rapes their cats, and then cheer because their pet cat they're raping has a mando helmet on them.

I didnt pay for shit. Im not even sure if the bootleg dvd's I bought on amazon even go to Disney's coffers. I cant post pics for some reason, but the back of the dvd is in the most half assed font and constantly repeats the words Mandalorian every sentence over and over again. For some idiotic reason they dont sell DVD's in stores for it far as I can tell.

And there's also all those interviews Filoni and Favreau did before the show premiered about how it would inevitably tie-in to the origins of the First Order.

Were all interviews pre rise of skywalker? Have they said so much as a peep about the first order afterwards?

 

[Ghostse]

I didnt pay for shit.

You still sat down and took the time to watch it.
Free is too high of a price.

 

[The Valeyard]

I didnt pay for shit. Im not even sure if the bootleg dvd's I bought on amazon even go to Disney's coffers. I cant post pics for some reason, but the back of the dvd is in the most half assed font and constantly repeats the words Mandalorian every sentence over and over again. For some idiotic reason they dont sell DVD's in stores for it far as I can tell.

DVDs of The Mandalorian aren't available in stores because there is no official release for any Disney+ Original show on home media.

Because of this The Mandalorian has already seen a "Special Edition" style change where the only version of Season 2, Episode 4 that is officially available has Jeans Guy erased from the background.

 

[Ghostse]

DVDs of The Mandalorian aren't available in stores because there is no official release for any Disney+ Original show on home media.

Because of this The Mandalorian has already seen a "Special Edition" style change where the only version of Season 2, Episode 4 that is officially available has Jeans Guy erased from the background.

Another one of Chuck Wendig's characters erased from Disney Canon to deprive him of royalties.

 

[Registration]

So, how do we know if High republic is a success or not? Only time will tell us if they swept the whole project aside?

 

[The Valeyard]

So, how do we know if High republic is a success or not? Only time will tell us if they swept the whole project aside?

The final books from Phase 1 of the project are being released soon, so I guess we’ll know if Phase 2 fails to materialise.

 

[The Ugly One]

The pathetic part is they tried multiple times to boost her to the same status that the LFL of the past did with Boba by giving Phasma her own novel, comics and even making her the main villain in that awful Resistance cartoon, yet unlike Boba's past spinoff material, none of it was well received, made money, expanded the character or even inspired anything. Instead the only thing memorable from her spinoffs was the cringe surrounding her menstrual cycles (this is actually a thing).

Phasma's a great example of a phenomenon we're seeing more and more of in upper levels of corporate America as it gets more woke, the inability of anyone in the room to state the obvious about what will and won't fly in the market, so stupid decisions get made.

At no point in the creation of the Phasma character did anyone say, "Wait a minute, a gigantic, ugly dyke is probably going to have close to zero audience appeal." Saying that would be both sexist and homophobic and possibly career suicide. So if anyone thought that, they kept their mouths shut, watching Disney throw enormous amounts of money into PC character choices that appealed to nobody whatsoever.

 

[Dixieland Buckaroo]

Phasma's a great example of a phenomenon we're seeing more and more of in upper levels of corporate America as it gets more woke, the inability of anyone in the room to state the obvious about what will and won't fly in the market, so stupid decisions get made.

At no point in the creation of the Phasma character did anyone say, "Wait a minute, a gigantic, ugly dyke is probably going to have close to zero audience appeal." Saying that would be both sexist and homophobic and possibly career suicide. So if anyone thought that, they kept their mouths shut, watching Disney throw enormous amounts of money into PC character choices that appealed to nobody whatsoever.

My recollection was that Phasma was a late addition to TFA, like only added in pickups, because kk saw some concept art and decided that would be a good female foil to Finn. Hence why one could easily remove her from the first film and nothing of value would be lost.

 

[Adamska]

The final books from Phase 1 of the project are being released soon, so I guess we’ll know if Phase 2 fails to materialise.

That won't mean shit.

Star Trek Discovery got 4 seasons despite how after Season 1 AND 2 the main funders dropped and the view counts should've fucking killed it after the first season.

Money's a spook in entertainment, and they're going to dance and fiddle and ignore reality in favor of what they want to do for minimal effort and minimal talent until they're forced to Chapter 13 or get demolished.

 

[Sneed F91]

My recollection was that Phasma was a late addition to TFA, like only added in pickups, because kk saw some concept art and decided that would be a good female foil to Finn. Hence why one could easily remove her from the first film and nothing of value would be lost.

That would actually make a lot of sense considering from what I remember only John and Daisy went to Abu Dhabi to film the Jakku scenes while everyone else stayed in the UK. TFA has a really poor sense of scale. Everything's either too small or way too big for no reason. It's really obvious watching the movie now that outside of a few scenes and locations everything is shot on sets. The opening for example was shot at Pinewood and is only a small village set which is why it's only a few huts and nothing else.

Gwendoline Christie was pure stunt casting considering she was on Game of Thrones which was really popular at the time and they had no idea what to do with her character. I remember how she coped by pretending she was actually important because "feminism" or something. It was kind of sad to see.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

My recollection was that Phasma was a late addition to TFA, like only added in pickups, because kk saw some concept art and decided that would be a good female foil to Finn. Hence why one could easily remove her from the first film and nothing of value would be lost.

She wasn't even a foil to Finn. Her character was completely undeveloped and had no stake with the character of Finn other than being that particular stormtrooper he didn't like. The random stormtrooper with the electric baton that calls him traitor has more going on with Finn than Phasma. All there ever was to her character was deactivating the sheild to the starkiller base in TFA and having a forgetable death in TLJ. That's how little effort they put into her character in the movies.

 

[Captain Autism69]

That won't mean shit.

Star Trek Discovery got 4 seasons despite how after Season 1 AND 2 the main funders dropped and the view counts should've fucking killed it after the first season.

Money's a spook in entertainment, and they're going to dance and fiddle and ignore reality in favor of what they want to do for minimal effort and minimal talent until they're forced to Chapter 13 or get demolished.

Star Track went beyond Season 3 because they bent Netflix over a barrel and fucked them hard.