Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Rogue One was hampered by non-stop fuckery. I would love to have seen the 'gritty war movie' version that was initialy drafted.
We kinda got that in the last battle but they had to make it all shiny and bright and include a shiny and bright space battle too because reasons I guess

Gib me the wholly ground attack on the Imperial comms center on Toprawa to transmit the plans to the Tantive IV as it passed through the system we got in the EU (with Han Solo's first real love commanding the rebels!), that was a gritty battle altho we just got a glimpse of it
 
Speaking of Rogue One, what happened to that stupid Andor series they've been working on since forever? Did they finally realize nobody likes the shit and mothball it?
Production on Andor was delayed because of the pandemic, but its still coming. Filming wrapped September 2021 and the series is expected to come out mid-to-late 2022.
 
Cassian Andor is a weird character to me. On paper, he's got the elements needed to be a lead character such as being handsome and a secret agent. In practice, he ends up sidelined so hard that there's no actual interest in the character and all attempts to create buzz with him fail utterly.
He wasn't female.
 
Look I completely get where you are coming from. But Rey was so utter shit she makes Ahoka and by extension Filoni look good.

Another thing that needs to be said, in relation to your comment, and I speak for lots of folks when I say this: the main problem with orange waifu at the end of the day boils down to the fact that she had the opportunity for a meaningful, impactful, hell even decently-written death that meant something, and Furloni could not fucking stand it, and literally invented SW time travel to bring her back, breaking the entire SW universe into a billion pieces, which he then shoved into his ass.

I don't say this to pick a fight, nor to imply that Rebels was any good. It too had the opportunity for greatness (or a decent place of relevancy), and dropped the ball HARD, devolving into Furloni wankery.
 
This is what I've been saying in other parts. The main thing that differs disney crap from the prequels is that the prequels for all the hate they got from critics, were still incredibly popular with kids, and the merchandise produced for them were like magnets for tots (as well as the adult consoomers of yesteryear). All that plastic sold like hotcakes and kids were crazy for them, which was were the real money was at. It also helped that there were loads of good video games coming out too. And a successful cartoon series that also had sold out toys that are still valuable today.

In contrast, Disney's movies and shows have zero appeal for kids. There's nothing amusing, eyecatching or new for them to latch onto, just a lot of nostalgia wank for boomers, karens and Filoni zoomers, and the usual soy chugging Disneyphiles who will eat up whatever comes out regardless if its good, so their opinion is worthless. But for kids? Nothing. Nothing in Disney's sequels and shows resonates with kids. The action is dull, the characters are dull, and the merch that was produced for it was abysmal and the toys still fill up landfills and warehouses while the only thing that really sold for kids were Emo Ren and Mando masks, Baby Yoda toys and initially those gay crossguard lightsabers. And even the Baby Yoda toys are mostly popular with lonely Karens and your average obsessive collector and the mando masks ended up getting overshadowed by Boba. And unlike the prequels, they only had two big games released during their decade of ownership, one of which was a PR disaster.

And the worst part of it is that the only ones who are really buying Disney shit in bulk and keeping their merch lines afloat are the nerdy lore spergs and the consoomer collector fags. None of Disney's gay new books set in their new era sell, with the only shit that does sell are toys, books and comics set in the pre-Disney era, so the lore spergs are the ones that are still supplying Disney with money on a regular basis despite their supposed dissatisfaction with Disney. And its also these same spergs (especially Doomcock) who are still shilling out for the Disney+ shows because they've deluded themselves into thinking that Dave Filoni is performing a 5D chess gayops to fix the Star Warsverse back to how it was during the pre-Disney era despite that time and time again he keeps proving them wrong. But they'll continue to huff Doomcock-brand hopium and believe that there's a secret war going onto save the "spirit of Star Wars".

Its coping of the lamest kind:
"I supported Disney, gave them all my money, things aren't fixed yet and they're still making money?! How could this be happening?!"
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This gets even more embarrassing when these same fuckers believe that taking out a 10k loan to stay at Disney's godawful and overpriced SW hotel is the only way to keep the franchise alive because if they think that if they spend all their life savings on this hotel now, that things will improve, and if they don't go then Disney will lock away the franchise in the Disney Vault forever. That's the level of faggotry we find ourselves in.

Also if you want some good example of consoomerist lore spergs, look no further than Jedi Council Forums and SpaceBattles. They spent years dedicating themselves to buying every new guide and merch LFL had been pumping out since the 90s, not because they actually gave a damn about the setting or actually took part in games or rpgs with friends, or played with their toys as kids, or even genuinely enjoyed the stories themselves, it was just a twisted obsession with owning as much as possible then finding ways to brag about their consumed goods; and when Disney took over, they happily disowned what came before with extreme prejudice (while secretly buying reprints of the old) and spent every waking moment buying everything (((The Mouse))) made in triplicate for imaginary bragging rights and defending it as much as possible so they can never run dry on their source of nourishment.

Nerds exaggerate their own importance to Star Wars to the point of completely reversing the causality. Star Wars wasn't successful because of autistic attention to detail in the Extended Universe that won nerd approval. The EU didn't even exist when the OT was putting tens of millions of butts in seats. It's the other way around. Tens of millions of people saw and loved the movies, and a tiny percentage of them became obsessed and demanded ever-new ways to spend money on Star Wars.

If you don't get that avalanche of normal people, the market for the nerd stuff will die by attrition. Disney has completely ruined the Star Wars IP. Gen X & Millennials are a ways away from dying yet, so they'll still milk us for some cash, but they're running out of time to make any kids give a crap.
 
Me and my dad usually have very conflicting views on things probably due to this reasoning. He was a big fan of Star Wars throughout childhood and also read a lot of Marvel. While he is not a consoomer stereotype, no Funko collections yet, he definitely holds everything Disney does with these brands in high regard and dislikes the fans that go against it. He is definitely one of those types that speaks about how the pre-Disney stuff is worse than what we have now, be it the prequels for Star Wars, or his hatred for Toby Maguire Spider-Man and his inaccurate portrayal of character when compared to Holland.

A quote I somewhat remember from him was when he spoke about Deadpool. Now, he has never seen or heard of Deadpool prior to the 2016 movie, but he loved it. He claimed that Ryan Reynolds really spoke to 80’s babies or something, like the film was made for his generation. It is just one of those very odd points relating random capeshit to being with his gen.

I believe a lot of Xers are pretty nostalgia bent in general. The reasoning, if I had to guess, is just a wanting to be back in the good ol days. I think we neglect to mention that their gen was brought up within the best time period ever, first 20 years or so in a booming economy, only to then have it all crash down post-9/11. Now they are in a weird spot where they are successful unlike the millennial given the extra time of a good adulthood, but also live with a hellish world around them. They are both in and out of tune with the world, making them quite interesting in the grand scheme of things.
Yep. In short, its all about reliving their lost youth. Same with Gen Y, and some in Gen Z want to be babies again for some reason.
I would agree, but most Xers seem completely out of the loop on the culture war. They only use FaceBook, so this infighting is not seen by them.
True for X, but I was more referring to Gen Y's with that line, like HelloGreedo for example who had no issue criticizing or shit talking everything before it became taboo to do so due to culture war nonsense.
Cassian Andor is a weird character to me. On paper, he's got the elements needed to be a lead character such as being handsome and a secret agent. In practice, he ends up sidelined so hard that there's no actual interest in the character and all attempts to create buzz with him fail utterly.
Doesn't help that you can barely understand him in the short time he is onscreen with that ridiculously heavy accent. Everything about him just screams mexican bootleg Katarn.


Also someone sent me a video that does a good job of explaining the problems with Disney's Book of Boba Fett along with Boba's characterization in the show.

The guy still has some hope unsurprisingly, but this at least shows that even some of the diehard Boba fans are noticing the issues.
 
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Another thing that needs to be said, in relation to your comment, and I speak for lots of folks when I say this: the main problem with orange waifu at the end of the day boils down to the fact that she had the opportunity for a meaningful, impactful, hell even decently-written death that meant something, and Furloni could not fucking stand it, and literally invented SW time travel to bring her back, breaking the entire SW universe into a billion pieces, which he then shoved into his ass.

I don't say this to pick a fight, nor to imply that Rebels was any good. It too had the opportunity for greatness (or a decent place of relevancy), and dropped the ball HARD, devolving into Furloni wankery.
Another issue is that you see Ahsoka walk into the depths of the Sith temple at the end of that very episode, and so there's a possibility that there are in fact two different Ahsokas operating within the Star Wars Galaxy. I have no issue with her surviving Vader by them both deciding that running away from the giant explosion is a better idea than dying, and then Filoni could have Ahsoka return by having her find another entrance to the World Between Worlds in the rubble but he had to ignore the thing he already set up so that she could be saved in the most irritating way possible for no real reason. It's actually baffling that the end of that episode was somehow completely overlooked.
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This is what I've been saying in other parts. The main thing that differs disney crap from the prequels is that the prequels for all the hate they got from critics, were still incredibly popular with kids, and the merchandise produced for them were like magnets for tots (as well as the adult consoomers of yesteryear). All that plastic sold like hotcakes and kids were crazy for them, which was were the real money was at. It also helped that there were loads of good video games coming out too. And a successful cartoon series that also had sold out toys that are still valuable today.
Sorry for the late reply, but I have some thoughts on this. Star Wars prior to Disney was good because Lucas, for all of his faults, was a much better marketer than Disney will ever be. I think Zoomers, such as myself, have love for the series solely because Lucas was very smart in how he sold the series going forward from the prequels, and that was to pretty much to degrade and whore it out. In many ways, Star Wars was the originator of the tactics used by the Sonic Twitter for instance.

Here me out…

I believe Lucas was really smart in that he did not view his franchise as a masterpiece, or a work of art. Disney is where this holy than thou mentality of Star Wars came from, that Star Wars was smarter. They really wanted the brand to be a respected cinema piece, which is stupid when the franchise has more duds than hits.

Lucas really loved expanding his brand in whatever way possible. He was actually very supportive of stuff like Robot Chicken, which has become a large part of Star Wars in and of it self. Actually, he went as far as to try to hire the writers to make a comedy show for Star Wars named Detours. Lucas also allowed for so much other weird shit to take place. LEGO Star Wars is a classic of today and a no brainer to make, but at the time, this was kind of an unheard of series that, just like Robot Chicken, kind of became synonymous with the brand in many ways with George taking a risk and allowing for parody in a way Disney would shut down immediately. He also allowed for strange crossovers, like remember when Vader and Yoda were in Soul Caliber? This distinct push to allow the brand to be in anything and everything really helped it stay relevant in ways that Disney is too pussy to ever do. Star Wars is as much its parodies and strange merchandise as it is it’s films and that is something Disney seems to not understand. Disney tries so hard to make Star Wars respectable that it lacks any expansion past the shitty films that could give it life. The series just feels sterile now.

Also I need to share this as it airing on CN has been engrained in my memory…
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Again, it is just another weird product that would probably never be allowed today, but its existence is honestly as memorable to me as any of the films.
 
Nerds exaggerate their own importance to Star Wars to the point of completely reversing the causality. Star Wars wasn't successful because of autistic attention to detail in the Extended Universe that won nerd approval. The EU didn't even exist when the OT was putting tens of millions of butts in seats. It's the other way around. Tens of millions of people saw and loved the movies, and a tiny percentage of them became obsessed and demanded ever-new ways to spend money on Star Wars.
and for that matter I recall points where part of the miracle of the EU was that the hyuumons gave any fucks about it, like I distinctly remember local airport bookshop had "HOLY SHIT THE NEW BOOK 'HEIR TO THE EMPIRE' CAN YOU FUCKING BELIEVE IT" as a display that was pretty big for Star Wars circa Heir, and Vong Book 1 even got Hamill out of mothballs before it was cool
 
Another thing that needs to be said, in relation to your comment, and I speak for lots of folks when I say this: the main problem with orange waifu at the end of the day boils down to the fact that she had the opportunity for a meaningful, impactful, hell even decently-written death that meant something, and Furloni could not fucking stand it, and literally invented SW time travel to bring her back, breaking the entire SW universe into a billion pieces, which he then shoved into his ass.

I don't say this to pick a fight, nor to imply that Rebels was any good. It too had the opportunity for greatness (or a decent place of relevancy), and dropped the ball HARD, devolving into Furloni wankery.
Here's the thing, and feel free to give me all the rainbows in the world, but with the time travel element there exists the possibility that Filoni will use ashoka to spin off another universe separate from the sequels. A have your cake and eat it solution if you will.

Is it naively optimistic? Probably, they still make books and comics on sequel shit, but we've seen how little money it makes. It's most likely being pumped out to placate Kennedy and the few woke fans.


It would be a small victory, but it's the best we are likely to get. The other possibility if they are smart, is keep it going as long as they can and never EVER mention the first order.... Place your bets.

This is partially why I like mando and fett as much as I do. Until they openly bring in the first order or some bullshit, my brain is pretending that stuff isn't going to happen.
 
Is the reply feature broken for anyone else or is it just me?
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If you don't get that avalanche of normal people, the market for the nerd stuff will die by attrition. Disney has completely ruined the Star Wars IP. Gen X & Millennials are a ways away from dying yet, so they'll still milk us for some cash, but they're running out of time to make any kids give a crap.
I think Disney overestimated how many times they could keep attracting normalfags after basically undoing and subverting the main characters and the entire universe just to make as much money as fast as possible and pumping out too many movies (that ranged from unoriginal or bland to bad) in one go, turning off most average movie goers, as seen with Solo, with most only returning for PlanIX because Disney kept falsely advertising it as the last SW movie but by adding the "Skywalker Saga" right next to "last" and all in quotes. Disney then tried to pander harder to the hardcore fans by trying to create as much lore as possible to fill up the 30 years worth of emptiness they left behind after their purchase to see if they could make as much money from the hardcore fans as LFL used to, which is why this High Republic nonsense and the recent KOTOR pandering began, along with the extra emphasis on Filoni spiel.

So far its done nothing to improve their media sells and even SW's video game reputation getting tarnished by EA's NuBattlefront II scandal (which is ironic since that was their highest selling game) did little to help that Squadrons game Disney released recently sell well too or keep their mobile shit alive, with most sticking with mods for EAfront II or just looking anticipating that barely seen KOTOR remake because of its legacy status (although whether the remake succeeds or not is debatable). Meanwhile reprints of old stuff still outsell any new books or comics Disney releases, which (while telling) is itself a self-defeating endeavor since it does little to change Disney's opinion about the quality of their new shit and all it does is give the company you supposedly disapprove of even more money to fund their half-assed project. As far as I can tell, its only the non-Disney centered toys and the reprints of olde shit that keep on selling while Disney's newer crap struggles to stay relevant in the face of ridiculously over spending on marketing.
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The EU didn't even exist when the OT was putting tens of millions of butts in seats. It's the other way around. Tens of millions of people saw and loved the movies, and a tiny percentage of them became obsessed and demanded ever-new ways to spend money on Star Wars.
Not to change the topic, but technically speaking, the video games, books and comics of olde did sell in the millions too, while Disney's new material can barely make a quarter of what its predecessors did since their big dip in 2016, and the spinoff (EU) material did exist before the original film's release, since 1976 via the novelization of the then unreleased first film and magazine entries, and the comics that began releasing a month before the film's release too.

Sorry for the late reply, but I have some thoughts on this. Star Wars prior to Disney was good because Lucas, for all of his faults, was a much better marketer than Disney will ever be. I think Zoomers, such as myself, have love for the series solely because Lucas was very smart in how he sold the series going forward from the prequels, and that was to pretty much to degrade and whore it out. In many ways, Star Wars was the originator of the tactics used by the Sonic Twitter for instance.

Here me out…

I believe Lucas was really smart in that he did not view his franchise as a masterpiece, or a work of art. Disney is where this holy than thou mentality of Star Wars came from, that Star Wars was smarter. They really wanted the brand to be a respected cinema piece, which is stupid when the franchise has more duds than hits.

Lucas really loved expanding his brand in whatever way possible. He was actually very supportive of stuff like Robot Chicken, which has become a large part of Star Wars in and of it self. Actually, he went as far as to try to hire the writers to make a comedy show for Star Wars named Detours. Lucas also allowed for so much other weird shit to take place. LEGO Star Wars is a classic of today and a no brainer to make, but at the time, this was kind of an unheard of series that, just like Robot Chicken, kind of became synonymous with the brand in many ways with George taking a risk and allowing for parody in a way Disney would shut down immediately. He also allowed for strange crossovers, like remember when Vader and Yoda were in Soul Caliber? This distinct push to allow the brand to be in anything and everything really helped it stay relevant in ways that Disney is too pussy to ever do. Star Wars is as much its parodies and strange merchandise as it is it’s films and that is something Disney seems to not understand. Disney tries so hard to make Star Wars respectable that it lacks any expansion past the shitty films that could give it life. The series just feels sterile now.

Also I need to share this as it airing on CN has been engrained in my memory…
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Again, it is just another weird product that would probably never be allowed today, but its existence is honestly as memorable to me as any of the films.
George also allowed his writers to take comedic shots at him and the prequels while Disney allows none, even rejecting a clip of Emo Ren in Wreck It Ralph 2 because it made Disney's precious OC look bad. Which shows that George wasn't above parodies, and LFL back then wasn't above giving fans who did their part some well earned respect or even payment, as seen with the 501st, Fractalsponge and much of the SW forum community of the 2000s, while Disney's LFL will just nonchalantly shut down most fan projects and steal online art without so much as a word. I guess what I'm saying is, that George and LFL knew how to poke fun at themselves and knew how to sell their products with little controversy while also trying to find compromises even when they fucked up.
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With Disney though, Star Wars has become a literal lifestyle brand and religion that is synonymous with woke culture and now takes itself way more seriously than it needs to.
 
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Here's the thing, and feel free to give me all the rainbows in the world, but with the time travel element there exists the possibility that Filoni will use ashoka to spin off another universe separate from the sequels. A have your cake and eat it solution if you will.

Is it naively optimistic? Probably, they still make books and comics on sequel shit, but we've seen how little money it makes. It's most likely being pumped out to placate Kennedy and the few woke fans.


It would be a small victory, but it's the best we are likely to get. The other possibility if they are smart, is keep it going as long as they can and never EVER mention the first order.... Place your bets.

This is partially why I like mando and fett as much as I do. Until they openly bring in the first order or some bullshit, my brain is pretending that stuff isn't going to happen.
Yeah, no.

The Mandalorian and The Book of Boba Fett have both referenced the Aftermath Trilogy which laid the foundation for the Sequel Trilogy.

With The Mandalorian season 2 also mentioning Operation: Cinder from the Shattered Empire comic mini-series set before The Force Awakens which was part of the Emperor’s contingency plan that led to the First Order.
 
Yeah, no.

The Mandalorian and The Book of Boba Fett have both referenced the Aftermath Trilogy which laid the foundation for the Sequel Trilogy.

With The Mandalorian season 2 also mentioning Operation: Cinder from the Shattered Empire comic mini-series set before The Force Awakens which was part of the Emperor’s contingency plan that led to the First Order.
I still think there's enough wiggle room for them to pull it off, especially with kid yoda involved. A lot of it kinda felt like they were giving the barest amount of lip service to pre existing Disney shit.
 
Yeah, no.

The Mandalorian and The Book of Boba Fett have both referenced the Aftermath Trilogy which laid the foundation for the Sequel Trilogy.

With The Mandalorian season 2 also mentioning Operation: Cinder from the Shattered Empire comic mini-series set before The Force Awakens which was part of the Emperor’s contingency plan that led to the First Order.
There's also the memory core/ice cream maker from ESB now being a carrying case like Chuck had planned for his cancelled Marvel comic series. There's also that reference to the casino planet from TLJ in episode 6 of the first season of the Mandalorian, and in the 7th episode of the first season of Mandalorian, they refer to Baby Yeed as a strandcast, which was a term used for Rise of Skywalker's tie-ins, referring to artificially produced living things like Snoke. There's also references to weapons tech from TFA in Mando season 2. Edit: And there's also all those interviews Filoni and Favreau did before the show premiered about how it would inevitably tie-in to the origins of the First Order.

On a side note, they also retconned some of Chucky's shit into the prequels recently. Like names he made up for tech, food, drinks and other things in his Aftermath books. Much like how they retconned that wooden figure Anakin had in TPM into being the orange yoda lady from TFA.
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@The Gangster Computer Quote/reply function seems to only break on long posts. Great for stopping autism slapfights, annoying if you want to keep up with multiple conversations in one post. Hopefully the XenForo replacement will address the problem when it comes Soon™.
Another thing that needs to be said, in relation to your comment, and I speak for lots of folks when I say this: the main problem with orange waifu at the end of the day boils down to the fact that she had the opportunity for a meaningful, impactful, hell even decently-written death that meant something, and Furloni could not fucking stand it, and literally invented SW time travel to bring her back, breaking the entire SW universe into a billion pieces, which he then shoved into his ass.

I don't say this to pick a fight, nor to imply that Rebels was any good. It too had the opportunity for greatness (or a decent place of relevancy), and dropped the ball HARD, devolving into Furloni wankery.
The wolfaboo has yet to learn one of the most important lessons of fiction writing: sometimes, you need to kill your babies.

I get it. It's hard. You invested so much time and orange teenage waifu masturbation energy into your creation. You made something that not only you, but also others got invested in. You've been with your character for so long, you can't stand the thought of their adventures coming to an end. But sometimes, you've just got to let go. When you've reached a satisfying point to end their story, you commit to the finish.

In Ahsoka's case, yeah, she should've gotten fucking merc'd by Anakin, even after leaving the Jedi Order. It would serve as a poignant end to her storyline, tie up the loose end, and serve as further illustration of Anakin's fall to the Dark Side. I think anyone who isn't fapping to orange jailbait would agree that that was the only logical way to finish off her story.

But like a kid playing with his action figures, Furloni doesn't want to quit. So he shoves in some plot convenience to allow her to survive Order 66, likely justifying it by claiming that "well Obi-Wan and Yoda survived so why couldn't she?!" Then because he can't help himself, he brings her back in Rebels and has her face off against Vader again. And once again, he had an opportunity to write a decent ending for her. Yeah, not as satisfying, but it would still be pretty sad to see her realize that her former master couldn't be turned from his dark path, maybe sacrificing herself to let Space Aladdin escape.

But nooooooo. If she dies, then Furloni can't play with his favorite toy anymore! So he invents the space anus, magics her from death with time travel, and she gets to go off on more adventures and show up everywhere else in Disney Wars. She's basically Space Jesus whenever MaRey Sue isn't around. Of course, Ahsoka's just the most prominent example, you see this with every one of the wolfaboo's OCs.

This is basic creative writing shit right here. I'm not much of a writer beyond my shitposts on the farms, but even I know that keeping a character alive long after their logical story conclusion is not good writing.

ETA: Okay, I had an additional thought that I wanted to expound upon.

I said that "keeping a character alive long after their logical story conclusion is not good writing," and I stand by that still. But I could see a Furloni fanboy arguing, "oh yeah, well what about Luke? his story ended in RotJ, so by your logic, all his EU adventures should have never happened. checkmate, old man!"

The difference is that for Luke, while that's the end of that story, that's not necessarily the end of his story. I mean, yeah, at the end of the movie, the Emperor is killed, he redeemed his father, and he's going to usher in the return of the Jedi (roll credits). Loose ends are tied up, story's over, everybody go home.

The thing is, for Luke, it's not beyond the realm of possibility for him to have more adventures. The galaxy's a big place, and there's bound to be more threats out there to deal with. Like, oh, I dunno, the remnants of the Empire who are not about to accept New Republic rule without a fight? Or the clone of the Emperor out for revenge? Or some extra-galactic threat nobody saw coming? While the story of the OT ended there, his place at the end was open-ended, and thus his story could continue.

Now, maybe George could have gone a different direction. Maybe the self-sacrifice narrative could have been applied to Luke instead of Anakin, and he sacrificed himself so his father could live. Would be weird, but if it were built up in that way (along the lines of "I'll bring you back to the light, even if I have to die in the process"), then it would make sense. In that way, if you pulled the rug out from under the audience and said "haha, no sacrifice today, everybody lives," then that would be writing that was as bad as Furloni's inability to kill off Ahsoka already. Same applies to if you did that to Vader, now that I think about it.

The issue with Ahsoka's survival has always been that RotS ended the stories of nearly all Jedi the same way: death by the nascent Empire, whether stormtroopers or Anakin's blade. The more asspulls you make where another Jedi miraculously survives, the more incompetent Sheev gets and the worse the story becomes overall. To do so just because you don't wanna see your precious jailbait waifu die is as bad as a fanfic author.

So yeah, the wolfaboo's a hack. Who'da thunk.
 
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Disney made the fundamental mistake so many businesses do right before they ruin a mature product: "This thing practically prints money, so it's impossible to fuck up. We can use it to do whatever we want." Then they destroy the core things that made it print money. They needed a coherent trilogy of movies with a likable cast of characters, and instead they got Kathleen Kennedy taking out her anger at not being considered one of the pretty girls on the audience.
 
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