Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

That won't mean shit.

Star Trek Discovery got 4 seasons despite how after Season 1 AND 2 the main funders dropped and the view counts should've fucking killed it after the first season.

Money's a spook in entertainment, and they're going to dance and fiddle and ignore reality in favor of what they want to do for minimal effort and minimal talent until they're forced to Chapter 13 or get demolished.
Star Track went beyond Season 3 because they bent Netflix over a barrel and fucked them hard.

It's a package deal. You use actually big stuff like Squid Games and Witcher to pay for agenda stuff.
 
My recollection was that Phasma was a late addition to TFA, like only added in pickups, because kk saw some concept art and decided that would be a good female foil to Finn. Hence why one could easily remove her from the first film and nothing of value would be lost.
Yeah. Her costume was originally meant for Emo Ren before it was rejected. That's when Kennedy saw it on the wall of rejects and wanted it in the movie after it was practically done, and JJ made it a good opportunity to tackle the gay social drama surrounding female armors at the time by casting Christie Golden while also riding the GoT hypetrain, because Disney LFL at the time desperately wanted to force the idea that SW would become the next GoT to the point where they kept hiring actors and the asshole directors from said show and they and their hired journos kept advertising anything new they made as "the next GoT". They also really wanted to force the notion that chrome dome really was the next Boba Fett and that her armor was "da grandest" in the film despite that she was just a chrome dome stormtrooper of the duck-faced generation.
For a comparatively little seen (at present) character such as Captain Phasma, arguably the ‘grandest’ costume in the film, how did you go about making her ‘the next Boba Fett’?
When I was trying to ‘tackle’ Kylo Ren’s character, I thought, what if he were The Lord of the Stormtroopers, in bright shining silver armour? I had this strong image in my head which I conveyed to one of my brilliant concept artists (Dermot Power). He produced a stunning illustration which was immediately shot down by JJ; not right for Kylo Ren! The drawing remained on our design room wall. One afternoon, Kathy Kennedy came in for a meeting, pointed at the illustration and exclaimed: “What is that? It’s fantastic!”

So, how do we know if High republic is a success or not? Only time will tell us if they swept the whole project aside?
For comparison, Disney's first High Republic book didn't even outsell Disney's NuThrawn trilogy, and for further comparison, according to BookScan, five of Disney's "best sellers" have only sold around or less than 100k copies while the rest of their new books can barely break past the four digit mark at times in contrast to the early pre-Disney Star Wars books that on average easily sold over 100k and the old best sellers sold over millions in copies.

That would actually make a lot of sense considering from what I remember only John and Daisy went to Abu Dhabi to film the Jakku scenes while everyone else stayed in the UK. TFA has a really poor sense of scale. Everything's either too small or way too big for no reason. It's really obvious watching the movie now that outside of a few scenes and locations everything is shot on sets. The opening for example was shot at Pinewood and is only a small village set which is why it's only a few huts and nothing else.
It was a weird mixture of shrinking down the setting to the size of a cheap motel with nothing notable in it and filling it with oversized furniture because they think bigger means better.
Gwendoline Christie was pure stunt casting considering she was on Game of Thrones which was really popular at the time and they had no idea what to do with her character. I remember how she coped by pretending she was actually important because "feminism" or something. It was kind of sad to see.
Yeah. Gwendoline Christie was acting as if she was the first woman ever to be a badass in films and wear armor, which the media ran with despite how ridiculous the claims were.
 
Just LMAO at the idea that you can tell the customers what they think is cool. It was pure, dumb luck that people got obsessed with Boba Fett. If his helmet had looked boring and gay, he never would have been a phenomenon. Planning in advance for Phasma to be "the next Boba Fett" without even pausing to consider that the first Boba Fett was an organic phenomenon of kids going crazy over the coolest-looking toy in the Kenner lineup perfectly encapsulates so much of went wrong.
 
Yeah. Her costume was originally meant for Emo Ren before it was rejected. That's when Kennedy saw it on the wall of rejects and wanted it in the movie after it was practically done, and JJ made it a good opportunity to tackle the gay social drama surrounding female armors at the time by casting Christie Golden while also riding the GoT hypetrain, because Disney LFL at the time desperately wanted to force the idea that SW would become the next GoT to the point where they kept hiring actors and the asshole directors from said show and they and their hired journos kept advertising anything new they made as "the next GoT". They also really wanted to force the notion that chrome dome really was the next Boba Fett and that her armor was "da grandest" in the film despite that she was just a chrome dome stormtrooper of the duck-faced generation.

To be fair, a Song of Ice and Fire esque Star Wars would kick ass if done well.

For comparison, Disney's first High Republic book didn't even outsell Disney's NuThrawn trilogy, and for further comparison, according to BookScan, five of Disney's "best sellers" have only sold around or less than 100k copies while the rest of their new books can barely break past the four digit mark at times in contrast to the early pre-Disney Star Wars books that on average easily sold over 100k and the old best sellers sold over millions in copies.

Though, I'm sure it will surpass it given how progressively neutered and worse the Zahn books have become. I've been visiting some cuck discords and YT channels to see the cope and shit. Apparently people actually believe the current Ascendency/Sherlock Thrawn books are what he would have done anyway.

I think that's a load of bantha fodder.

It was a weird mixture of shrinking down the setting to the size of a cheap motel with nothing notable in it and filling it with oversized furniture because they think bigger means better.

Yeah. Gwendoline Christie was acting as if she was the first woman ever to be a badass in films and wear armor, which the media ran with despite how ridiculous the claims were.

Well, I wouldn't be surprised if she actually thought she was the first woman in a film wearing armor. :roll: She doesn't strike me as terribly smart or informed.
 
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That won't mean shit.

Star Trek Discovery got 4 seasons despite how after Season 1 AND 2 the main funders dropped and the view counts should've fucking killed it after the first season.

Money's a spook in entertainment, and they're going to dance and fiddle and ignore reality in favor of what they want to do for minimal effort and minimal talent until they're forced to Chapter 13 or get demolished.
This. They can keep making flops and disasters and they will just keep on making the same mistakes, because the majority of their money comes from investors, mainly ESG investors (seriously look this up) and the like who only care about whether their wants and interests are properly represented, and in return they reward companies for their "aid in making the world a better place".
To be fair, a Song of Ice and Fire esque Star Wars would kick ass if done well.
Maybe, but I have zero love for GoT or Martin now.
Though, I'm sure it will surpass it given how progressively neutered and worse the Zahn books have become. I've been visiting some cuck discords and YT channels to see the cope and shit. Apparently people actually believe the current Ascendency/Sherlock Thrawn books are what he would have done anyway.
Technically, only the first HR book barely made it to those numbers behind the new cucked Thrawn books while the rest of the HR books are flopping hard. And Zahn's second nuThrawn Trilogy hasn't been selling as well his first nuThrawn trilogy and only slightly better than the HR stuff, but both their sales are abysmal to what came before. In other words, Disney's lit sales are mediocre or outright bad compared to what came before. And the only reason the first HR book even sold anything close to 100k copies was because Disney wasted millions on marketing it.
Well, I wouldn't be surprised if she actually thought she was the first woman in a film wearing armor. :roll: She doesn't strike me as terribly smart or informed.
She did lol. If you read many of her comments around the time of the sequels, she has no idea what the hell she's talking about most of the time. She even tries to imply that she's the first badass female in fiction or that she and Rey are making major cultural shifts, or that Phasma was super important before the first film was out. Like she never even watched the film she starred in herself.
 
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That won't mean shit.

Star Trek Discovery got 4 seasons despite how after Season 1 AND 2 the main funders dropped and the view counts should've fucking killed it after the first season.

Money's a spook in entertainment, and they're going to dance and fiddle and ignore reality in favor of what they want to do for minimal effort and minimal talent until they're forced to Chapter 13 or get demolished.

Discovery got Season 2 because it was pre-funded by Netflix's Eurodivision because they wanted the exclusive EU rights before season 1 even premiered. Likely CBS is using STD to hide profits from other shows and because it was the only thing keeping CBS's All Access view count above zero which is how it got 4 seasons; very likely this was an accounting trick for the CBS-Viacom/Paramount re-merger.

I'm trying to figure out the best way to streamline this.
Basically a lot of big money investment firms are stupid. "Lots of money in Streaming" they hear so they want to see "We have streaming with X subscribers" in the earnings call. So as Viacom reforms they likely used streaming numbers as an outsized valuation number.

CBS/Paramount might also be trying to combine units for STD with other shows to offset the losses using hollwood accounting. I.E. You build a set for STD, write it off as a loss, and then reuse that set for a show that makes money, write that value back to STD so you can reduce your reported profits. You can do similar with rigs, lights, moving around crew, etc.


Normally I'd say at this point STD was probably shoe-in for a 5th season, but I'm not sure.
tl;dr If a show survives to season 3 there is good odds of it getting a 5th season, because in a (previously) normal 26-episode season that would give you over the 100 episodes that qualifies it for syndication - which is showing re-runs on other channels. (So you syndicate at the end of season 4, but you don't get as much money selling a dead series, so you green light season 5). 5 seasons was also the usual point of audience/actor fatigue.
I don't know how the new normal of 10- and 13- episode seasons affects that calculus.


Yeah. Her costume was originally meant for Emo Ren before it was rejected. That's when Kennedy saw it on the wall of rejects and wanted it in the movie after it was practically done, and JJ made it a good opportunity to tackle the gay social drama surrounding female armors at the time by casting Christie Golden while also riding the GoT hypetrain, because Disney LFL at the time desperately wanted to force the idea that SW would become the next GoT to the point where they kept hiring actors and the asshole directors from said show and they and their hired journos kept advertising anything new they made as "the next GoT". They also really wanted to force the notion that chrome dome really was the next Boba Fett and that her armor was "da grandest" in the film despite that she was just a chrome dome stormtrooper of the duck-faced generation.

I will be dead ass honest, I thought Phasma's design was pretty cool at first. The chrome made the Duck Trooper helmets look less...duck like. And a well-cut cape always makes a good villianous accessory - the obvious Knight-connotations were runined when I learned they put a GoT actress in it. But they never DID anything else to make her unique. No special weapon, no good scenes. Just a shiny and chrome mystery box. "SHE'S A GIRL! Job done, back pats all around"
Compare to the only memorable character of the ST, TR-8R.

To be fair, a Song of Ice and Fire esque Star Wars would kick ass if done well.

Imagine, if you will, GoT with the Imperial Remnant.
Papa Palps is dead, the New Republic is still trying to get it shit together. So you have Imperial factions dealing with mutual distrust and power jockeying, deep-cover Rebellion moles, while everything is falling apart around them.

And then one of our imperial warlords uncovers that Princess Leia, rising power in the new Senate, is Lord Vader's Daughter....
 
Maybe, but I have zero love for GoT or Martin now.

Well, I never loved them. George Martin was deconstructing Lord of the Rings using dark fantasy. Neither his use of language or ideas were stunning; merely his grasp of the underlying genre. Take away LoTR and I doubt people like the books.

What made it fun was these complex factions with three dimensional characters fighting each other with dramatic twists and turns.

Technically, only the first HR book barely made it to those numbers behind the new cucked Thrawn books while the rest of the HR books are flopping hard. And Zahn's second nuThrawn Trilogy hasn't been selling as well his first nuThrawn trilogy and only slightly better than the HR stuff, but both their sales are abysmal to what came before. In other words, Disney's lit sales are mediocre or outright bad compared to what came before. And the only reason the first HR book even sold anything close to 100k copies was because Disney wasted millions on marketing it.

When you consider that, what, a third of those books weren't probably read? Between librarians and family (God bless em) buying them because Space Warz is on the title those sales are downright puny.

Just LMAO at the idea that you can tell the customers what they think is cool. It was pure, dumb luck that people got obsessed with Boba Fett. If his helmet had looked boring and gay, he never would have been a phenomenon. Planning in advance for Phasma to be "the next Boba Fett" without even pausing to consider that the first Boba Fett was an organic phenomenon of kids going crazy over the coolest-looking toy in the Kenner lineup perfectly encapsulates so much of went wrong.

Well, Marvel Films does. The problem is you have to actually, competently program people if you want to influence them. That takes time, talent, flexibility, and patience.

Disney Space Warz did none of those things. The had one movie that was nothing and then immediately ripped off the mask.

Marvel actually made a couple of good movies before the Avengers.

She wasn't even a foil to Finn. Her character was completely undeveloped and had no stake with the character of Finn other than being that particular stormtrooper he didn't like. The random stormtrooper with the electric baton that calls him traitor has more going on with Finn than Phasma. All there ever was to her character was deactivating the sheild to the starkiller base in TFA and having a forgetable death in TLJ. That's how little effort they put into her character in the movies.

Here I am like what character? Boba Fett was barely a character and even he had some lines in there that showed depth.
 
When you consider that, what, a third of those books weren't probably read? Between librarians and family (God bless em) buying them because Space Warz is on the title those sales are downright puny.
I honestly never thought of how many of these new High Republic sales consisted of libraries and ignorant parents. That actually makes this way more lame. And the worst part is that stores probably bought those HR and NuThrawn books from Disney in bulk thinking they would be big sellers, yet I still see them same ones cluttering up book shelves and collecting dust since the day they first arrived.

And the only ones who actually seem to read these new books are youtuber shills and Wookieepedos (although even the latter is getting lazier or less interested with most of their pages still being empty).
 
I honestly never thought of how many of these new High Republic sales consisted of libraries and ignorant parents. That actually makes this way more lame. And the worst part is that stores probably bought those HR and NuThrawn books from Disney in bulk thinking they would be big sellers, yet I still see them same ones cluttering up book shelves and collecting dust since the day they first arrived.

It happens every year. Me and friends of mine get some kind of Disney book each because we used to like Star Wars. Like I said, God Bless 'em, because they always supported our fandom. But I read that first Aftermath book and damn was it terrible.

It took me having to haul that thing for more than a year before I just got over the guilt and decided to sell it because the sight of it on my shelf made me angry. After finding out that local stores wouldn't give me more than a dollar for it; I just gave up and chucked it in the trash. Since then its taken me less and less time to where I didn't even feel guilty when they handed me this one by...Paul Kemp maybe? I thanked them, then the month after I threw it away.
 
On Hollyweird Shell games:

Again, it proves money's a spook in their world. But honestly I'm starting to get the vibe that when they try to use "more viewed" products as their shield, that still doesn't fully cover the losses.

I know the first two seasons were made by Netflix basically fucking up a contract like the idiots filled with pedos they are, but I also am starting to get the vibe that "you shuffle the money from one to the other for tax reasons" isn't even a logic used anymore.

I get the feeling that these stupid companies literally are going to kill themselves over their own ego. And I await that day.
I honestly never thought of how many of these new High Republic sales consisted of libraries and ignorant parents. That actually makes this way more lame. And the worst part is that stores probably bought those HR and NuThrawn books from Disney in bulk thinking they would be big sellers, yet I still see them same ones cluttering up book shelves and collecting dust since the day they first arrived.

And the only ones who actually seem to read these new books are youtuber shills and Wookieepedos (although even the latter is getting lazier or less interested with most of their pages still being empty).
Oh please; you know that the latter demographic mainly are comprised of LFL employees just telling them or personally writing the details of the articles themselves. It's such a fake wiki now I don't even bother using the Legends box anymore.
 
Discovery got Season 2 because it was pre-funded by Netflix's Eurodivision because they wanted the exclusive EU rights before season 1 even premiered. Likely CBS is using STD to hide profits from other shows and because it was the only thing keeping CBS's All Access view count above zero which is how it got 4 seasons; very likely this was an accounting trick for the CBS-Viacom/Paramount re-merger.

I'm trying to figure out the best way to streamline this.
Basically a lot of big money investment firms are stupid. "Lots of money in Streaming" they hear so they want to see "We have streaming with X subscribers" in the earnings call. So as Viacom reforms they likely used streaming numbers as an outsized valuation number.

CBS/Paramount might also be trying to combine units for STD with other shows to offset the losses using hollwood accounting. I.E. You build a set for STD, write it off as a loss, and then reuse that set for a show that makes money, write that value back to STD so you can reduce your reported profits. You can do similar with rigs, lights, moving around crew, etc.
There was apparently a shit load of competition for the Star Trek distribution rights and Netflix financed the entire production costs for at least 2 (maybe three) seasons, but they also gave up any form of control on writing/direction so for CBS this was a totally risk free venture and there was no financial incentive to produce a sucessful show other than for CBS all access subs.
There's a lawsuit going on between Netflix and Trek over this, including the claim that STD cash was used to finance other productions. Basically Netflix got fucked by Kutzman and Secret Hideout.
 
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Oh please; you know that the latter demographic mainly are comprised of LFL employees just telling them or personally writing the details of the articles themselves. It's such a fake wiki now I don't even bother using the Legends box anymore.
Both sections of the site are absolutely broken too and have had any "problematic" elements censored like "assumed genders and pronouns" and details from pre-Disney EU material that's deemed too sexist or transphobic, or removing any source material that they suddenly deem as not worth their site's time anymore over petty reasons or due to complete ignorance on licensing affairs. That combined with their lack of citations and their bundles of faked info and references makes the site absolutely worthless for anyone except wokesters seeking validation and the LFL employees that managed it who only use it to promote whatever new crap that comes around. I also find it funny how traffic for Wookieepedo has hit a nose dive compared to how it used to be, with the site formerly getting around 24 hours of activity to now only being active during the day, while at night the only ones about are the usual LFL suspects who never fucking sleep. That and some IPs from Rhode Island that really loved to remove any info that made Disney look bad or pointed out perfectly visible inconsistencies.

I think the most telling element of how the site was completely taken over by corporate loons was when its top administrators were both banned by the Wiki/Fandom superiors for trying to preserve what little info and non-troonery was still on the site.

On Hollyweird Shell games:

Again, it proves money's a spook in their world. But honestly I'm starting to get the vibe that when they try to use "more viewed" products as their shield, that still doesn't fully cover the losses.

I know the first two seasons were made by Netflix basically fucking up a contract like the idiots filled with pedos they are, but I also am starting to get the vibe that "you shuffle the money from one to the other for tax reasons" isn't even a logic used anymore.

I get the feeling that these stupid companies literally are going to kill themselves over their own ego. And I await that day.

Oh please; you know that the latter demographic mainly are comprised of LFL employees just telling them or personally writing the details of the articles themselves. It's such a fake wiki now I don't even bother using the Legends box anymore.
Also take a look at this.
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The entire website is now mostly held together by just three Disneyphiles these days and the occasional drifters since the tranny drama befell the site.

The most notable is some guy named Lewisr who claims to be a britcuck with insomnia who has been dedicating his life (24/7) to the website for the last 6 years which I find almost inhuman and he quickly rose to the rank of one of the most active editors on all of Wikia-Fandom. Which makes me think he is either just the most commonly used shared account by LFL to manage the site and promote their new crap (hence his unusual knowledge of product and script codes), or he's the creepiest son of a bitch in Abingdon.

The second most notable is some guy from Florida called Infinitus Vitus who's been on there for 5 years and who used to power level a lot about his personal life before he removed everything. He doesn't seem to work at Disney since he mentions that he works as an intern for a marketing agency, but then again... To make matters weirder, he had a mental breakdown some months ago over the tranny drama that befell wookieepedo and how it alienated most of its userbase, to the point where the stupid wiki drama actually affected his work performance and his dedication to the wiki was negatively affecting his health (imagine fucking up at your actual job and health just to be a good and loyal janny). He even stated that he would be leaving the site forever because of the depression the tranny drama caused and to focus on his poor dying grandfather too. But two days later he took down his sob story and farewell notice, going right back to work like nothing happened. So he might not be an LFL rep, but he's certainly a wiki addict.

And the third is just some kid called King Wookiee who's also been working nonstop for 5 years, but not nearly as much as the other two.
 
There was apparently a shit load of competition for the Star Trek distribution rights and Netflix financed the entire production costs for at least 2 (maybe three) seasons, but they also gave up any form of control on writing/direction so for CBS this was a totally risk free venture and there was no financial incentive to produce a sucessful show other than for CBS all access subs.
There's a lawsuit going on between Netflix and Trek over this, including the claim that STD cash was used to finance other productions. Basically Netflix got fucked by Kutzman and Secret Hideout.
Dam. I honestly hope Netflix wins it. I know they've fucked up as a company plenty of times before, but It's hard to be worse then this.




Discovery is so utterly terrible, it really makes me wonder if Disney did the worst job they could have with star wars. Very difficult to decide which is worse I think. There are "moments" of quality in the sequels, but In STD? I dont think there's much to work with.

Ironically enough I can find their DVD's in Walmart, instead of mando. which is ridiculous.




Also here's an intentional funny.
 
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@jspit2.0 as much as the Aftermath book deserve to be in the trash, however you did thrown away free money. As you could've donated it to a local charity and put the donation on your IRS charitable deductions along with the receipt from the charity.


Then it would have been on the market and I'd have only gotten a dollar. I'll happily pay a dollar to make a copy of Aftermath disappear. The only reason I held out so long was it was a gift. But that little piece of my soul has just come to hate Disney Star Wars so much that even stuff I didn't hate; Thrawn (ya ya I know) and Catalyst are unreadable anymore.
 
Problem is you have to actually, competently program people if you want to influence them. That takes time, talent, flexibility, and patience.

Disney Space Warz did none of those things. The had one movie that was nothing and then immediately ripped off the mask.

Marvel actually made a couple of good movies before the Avengers.
MCU doesn't really count because they inherited Marvel's 60+ years of market research on what characters (and what iterations of those characters) are popular, and why. Also unlike... whatever the fuck happened with Star Wars, they were able to cast Wh*te M*les with charisma in the movies.
The only character they tried to force, Captain Marvel, was their worst performing.

On Hollyweird Shell games:

Again, it proves money's a spook in their world. But honestly I'm starting to get the vibe that when they try to use "more viewed" products as their shield, that still doesn't fully cover the losses.

I know the first two seasons were made by Netflix basically fucking up a contract like the idiots filled with pedos they are, but I also am starting to get the vibe that "you shuffle the money from one to the other for tax reasons" isn't even a logic used anymore.

I get the feeling that these stupid companies literally are going to kill themselves over their own ego. And I await that day.

"Most viewed" doesn't cover their losses, except for getting Growth Funds to buy your stock because you have the right buzzwords and to assure ESG funds that their money is helping woke ideas reach eyeballs and minds.
Its all speculative money. ITs like how Rivan is (or was ) with its production of 4 trucks was valued more than GM.

There was apparently a shit load of competition for the Star Trek distribution rights and Netflix financed the entire production costs for at least 2 (maybe three) seasons, but they also gave up any form of control on writing/direction so for CBS this was a totally risk free venture and there was no financial incentive to produce a sucessful show other than for CBS all access subs.
There's a lawsuit going on between Netflix and Trek over this, including the claim that STD cash was used to finance other productions. Basically Netflix got fucked by Kutzman and Secret Hideout.

Netflix financed season 2, but apparently they blew their budget abou 2/3 of the way in which is why the last episodes suck even more ass than normal (reportedly; I haven't been able to stomach STD). So I'd believe there was some budget fuckery going on with CBS lending out the Netflix pre-payment. I believe CBS, on their way to re-merger, transferred budget to STD to keep it going to boost numbers on CBS All-access to woo investors.

If Netflix has a case, and they probably do, its just more shell games. The fact Netflix is suing shows they don't know how proper Hollywood accounting works. And I say good. These fucking shell games should never have been legal, but were original necessary because of the compartive high cost of things like physical sets and film. In CURRENT YEAR there is no excuse for these tricks to be played other than gaming the system to line studio execs pockets.
 
"Akschually, this is a dream sequence so Boba doesn't need to remember the massive, 2800 pound fucking Rhino next to his dead fathers' helmet."

Ah yes, because this is a dream sequence, he also must have forgotten where the antennae and dents go on the helmet that he's been wearing for 10+ years and inherited from his father, who was his idol and was incredibly important to him.

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Also, I'd just like to say that young Boba blowing up his own father's helmet to kill Mace Windu is some of the stupidest shit ever. Filoni turned the badass Mando with a strict moral code into a sniveling little kid who has no respect for his elders or his culture, a kid who turned his father's most prized and intimidating artifact into nothing more than a smoking paperweight. Way to go, Boba Fett. Way to go, Disney Canon.

Oh, just remember that Jango's starship is now called "Boba Fett's starship" instead of Slave One. They tried to play that shit off like they weren't actually going to change it, but they've still been running with the concept for a while now with no signs of stopping. Star Wars is too far gone. This is what happens when you hand off a precious intellectual property to someone who cares more about the brand label than the stories held within.
 
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