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Homegrown Homophobia said:
Here's fun food for thought - how would the government even manage to enforce it's will if things get worse and more repressive when their military and law enforcement toadies are all out sick or dying from vaccine side effects?

I have a funny image in my head of chad looking rebels outrunning out of shape cops who are keeling over and collapsing in chase because their hearts can't take any physical activity from getting a 5th or 6th dose
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The feds mostly use soft power on states themselves through its ability to redistribute wealth. State government doesn't play ball? No highway funds. Corporation doesn't play ball? No access to federal contracts. Still not playing ball? You're looking at fines, being denied access to the banking system, being denied access to the internet, etc.

And really, the vaccine just isn't that harmful. An injury rate of just 1% is really high, yet that still means 99% of everyone who gets it will be fine and providing an ample pool to draw enforcement officers from.
 
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The Wicked Mitch said:

A moment of silence for all of the adults who cucked out and are now being upstaged by fucking children, multiple British schools with significant majorities of kids refusing to wear the Mask of Shame or get muh test.

I can't imagine the crippling, all consuming shame I would feel as an adult if bucktoothed British tween hooligans had a more well endowed sack than myself. God bless these literal heroes, mice transformed into giants resisting the weight of the world. And remember kids:

“If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you."
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>imagine reducing various reasons as to why adults comply and children get an free pass into a immature edgy post
>imagine hypocritically quoting Bible a-la Null

Null hates A&H because most people here are like him.
 
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Are any of your recent posts in this thread not mad sounding? Eesh.

Relax, man.

I'll eat the double and crosspost, because this picture is amazing and needs to be everywhere:

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The army has been deployed to multiple hospitals in London - military medics helping out doctors and nurses, while regular squaddies do the unskilled stuff.

Meanwhile both Staffordshire and Stoke-On-Trent NHS trusts have declared civil emergencies.

The reason? Lack of staff due to self isolation. Schools are closing, there's tube lines down, the bins haven't been collected.

I hate Nigel Farage but he seems to be the only public figure who's actually pointing this out and saying we need to scrap self isolation.
LowLowHighLow said:
How do you get to 12 times more cases among the vaccinated in the age group 18-30 group?
There are 102,948 unvaccinated and 430,387 vaccinated cases. That is a bit more than 4 times more cases among the vaccinated (even if you include the less than two doses cases we would have "only" something around 4.5 times more cases).
Still, this is (far) more than what one would expect if the vaccines would work, however not 12 times more.
Do I read the report wrong? Am I retarded?
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It's confusing but it's a statistics game. If 90% of people over 12 are vaccinated, then even if they have a significantly lower hospitalisation rate then they'll be the majority of hospital admissions.

Sick people who are clinically vulnerable are also more likely to be vaccinated (and more likely to have a shit immune system where the vaccine has little benefit), whereas healthy young adults see it as less of a necessity, which again skews admissions figures.
 
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X Prime said:
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This is such a dumb comparison. Why are liberals so bad with false equivalencies?
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That's easy. They use religious thinking. They get a conclusion and work backwards from there to find justifications. If the justifications fail they don't change the conclusion, they just find new justifications.

It's why Logic and Reason doesn't work on them. They literally aren't operating in that realm. It's also why they appear to be barking mad when cornered.
 
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Super-Chevy454 said:
And we'll see more masks dropped everywhere like cigarette butts....Greta is so silent about this...
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This right here drives me fucking potty. Worst part is, it's all from the same people who moan endlessly about plastic waste in the oceans, while sipping from their plastic-impregnated costa and starbucks single-use cups.
 
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AssignedEva said:
It's confusing but it's a statistics game. If 90% of people over 12 are vaccinated, then even if they have a significantly lower hospitalisation rate then they'll be the majority of hospital admissions.
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But this isn't what we're seeing. We're seeing a higher infection rate among the vaxed than the unvaxed. ~65% of 18-30 year olds got the shot, but ~92% of the new cases are among the vaccinated. Even if the vaxed have worse risk profiles than the unvaxed, this suggests the vaccine is little better than a placebo.
 
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MakaZA said:
I'm in South Africa

The Pandemic is over here for vaccinated and unvaccinated.

Doesn't matter , almost everyone I know has had Omicron now and it was less than a cold.


Other countries are panicking at the thought of giving up power.
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Did your government formally announce it? The pandemic has ended for all of us at varying points in time (for me it was last July), but we all know the general consensus of normies won't shift unless Big Daddy Government says so.
 
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Some Badger said:
Did your government formally announce it? The pandemic has ended for all of us at varying points in time (for me it was last July), but we all know the general consensus of normies won't shift unless Big Daddy Government says so.
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Government is openly talking about whether to pull the plug on the whole thing which is better than most countries.

Pandemic has Been a non starter since July
 
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The Ugly One said:
But this isn't what we're seeing. We're seeing a higher infection rate among the vaxed than the unvaxed. ~65% of 18-30 year olds got the shot, but ~92% of the new cases are among the vaccinated. Even if the vaxed have worse risk profiles than the unvaxed, this suggests the vaccine is little better than a placebo.
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Not according to the vaccine surveillance report.

Cases presenting to emergency care (within 28 days of a positive test) resulting in overnight inpatient admission, by specimen date between week 49 and week 52 2021

Unadjusted rates
among persons
vaccinated with 2
doses (per
100,000)		Unadjusted rates
among persons not
vaccinated (per
100,000)
Under 182.07.6
18-296.312.7
30-397.119.4
40-498.633.5
50-5910.258.8
60-6913.091.4
70-7920.5143.4
Over 8055.0260.3
Case rates are calculated using NIMS - a database of named individuals from which the numerator and the denominator come from the same source and there is a record of each individuals vaccination status. Further information on the use of NIMS as the source of denominator data is presented on page 36 of this report.

It's unadjusted because I guess you'd need to normalise it to the infection rate in each age cohort for vaccinated and unvaccinated. The data for that is also there but I'm not good enough to crunch the number - however the infection rate for vaccinated people per 100,000 is higher than for unvaccinated across the board.

That doesn't mean the vaccine makes you more likely to catch omicron (they specifically warn you can't accurately estimate vaccine efficacy just using this table and it can be easily misinterpreted) but even if you want to put your tinfoil hat on and say that the jabs make you catch covid, that just would show an even more pronounced difference in hospitalisations between jabbed and unjabbed.

The rate of hospitalisations is considerably lower in vaccinated people than unvaccinated people, with this difference getting amplified as you go up the age cohorts.

Edit: Oh right, you're specifically talking about infection rates.

Well yeah, there are higher infection rates amongst vaccinated people. But population dynamics are fuzzy and chaotic and won't necessarily map 1:1 with vaccine efficacy.

Maybe young people who like going to sweaty, crowded nightclubs a lot were more worried about vaccine passports stopping them going out so have more vaccine uptake than people who hate nightclubs, so the number of vaccinated people in high exposure nightclub environments is massively skewed.

Maybe university students felt more pressure from their university to get vaccinated, and university dorms are hotbeds for infection.

Maybe people who can't work from home and work in factories, customer facing retail etc felt more pressure to get vaccinated and get more exposure than people who work from home.

Maybe people who went on holiday had to get vaccinated and then faced significantly more exposure by sitting on a plane that recirculates air for hours and hours.

Maybe unvaccinated people aren't testing themselves as much/pretending to test and just reporting fake negatives, so the positive test rate in unvaccinated people is skewed way lower.

See what I mean?
 
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