Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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As a far right mentally ill conspiracy theorist I will attempt to interpret and translate "technical problems" from fascist to English:

"Oh fuck, the deadline is here and we've been fudging the numbers. If we try to force pozz 70% of our population they're going to riot and import some fucking guillotines bro, what do we do? We'll borrow from the financial world - delay and pray, extend and pretend - yeah that sounds good.. we're still going to force the goyim, just not right now because.. uhh.. technical problems"

They don't want to get fucked by riots and they don't actually want to be on the hook for any potential long term consequences, remember, everyone so far volunteered, they might have been/felt pressured but nobody actually forced them - if you hold someone down and force-pozz them you're now 1000% responsible for whatever happens.

I wonder why they don't want to be 10000% responsible for the long term effects of these 100% safe and effective products?
I absolutely agree.

The only thing keeping the United States less vaccine pozzed than almost any other country on earth is the 2nd Amendment. This is why our government will never even consider trying something this bullshit. Hopefully, the people of wannabe fascist shitholes like Austria are starting to learn that ultimate authority is derived from the ability to inflict violence.
 
I absolutely agree.

The only thing keeping the United States less vaccine pozzed than almost any other country on earth is the 2nd Amendment. This is why our government will never even consider trying something this bullshit. Hopefully, the people of wannabe fascist shitholes like Austria are starting to learn that ultimate authority is derived from the ability to inflict violence.
And this why lots of Dems like Maxine Waters and Hollywood stars like Michael Moore and Alec Baldwin want it removed,

Btw, here one more interesting article.

The Lesson Of COVID: When People Are Anxious, Isolated, & Hopeless; They're Less Ready To Think Critically​

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BY TYLER DURDEN
FRIDAY, JAN 07, 2022 - 06:00 PM
Authored by Jonathan Cook via MintPressNews.com,
When I criticize meddling in Syria by Britain and America, or their backing of groups there that elsewhere are considered terrorists, it does not follow that I am, therefore, a cheerleader for the dictatorship of Bashar Assad or that I think that Syrians should be denied a better political system. Similarly, when I criticize Joe Biden or the Democratic party, it does not necessarily follow that I think Donald Trump would have made a better president.
A major goal of critical thinking is to stand outside tribal debates, where people are heavily invested in particular outcomes, and examine the ways debates have been framed. This is important because one of the main ways power expresses itself in our societies is through the construction of official narratives – usually through the billionaire-owned media – and the control and shaping of public debate.
You are being manipulated – propagandized – even before you engage with a topic if you look only at the substance of a debate and not at other issues: such as its timing, why the debate is taking place or why it has been allowed, what is not being mentioned or has been obscured, what is being emphasized, and what is being treated as dangerous or abhorrent.
If you want to be treated like a grown-up, an active and informed participant in your society rather than a blank sheet on which powerful interests are writing their own self-serving narratives, you need to be doing as much critical thinking as possible – and especially on the most important topics of the day.

Learning curve

The opportunity to become more informed and insightful about how debates are being framed, rather than what they are ostensibly about, has never been greater. Over the past decade, social media, even if the window it offered is rapidly shrinking, has allowed large numbers of us to discover for the first time those writers who, through their deeper familiarity with a specific topic and their consequent greater resistance to propaganda, can help us think more critically about all kinds of issues – Russia, Venezuela, Iran, Israel-Palestine, the list is endless.
This has been a steep learning curve for most of us. It has been especially useful in helping us to challenge narratives that vilify “official enemies” of the west or that veil corporate power – which has effectively usurped what was once the more visible and, therefore, accountable political power of western states. In the new, more critical climate, the role of the war industries – bequeathed to us by western colonialism – has become especially visible.
But what has been most disheartening about the past two years of Covid is the rapid reversal of the gains made in critical thinking. Perhaps this should not entirely surprise us. When people are anxious for themselves or their loved ones, when they feel isolated and hopeless, when “normal” has broken down, they are likely to be less ready to think critically.
The battering we have all felt during Covid mirrors the emotional, and psychological assault critical thinking can engender. Thinking critically increases anxiety by uncomfortably exposing us to the often artificial character of official reality. It can leave us feeling isolated and less hopeful, especially when friends and family expect us to be as deeply invested in the substance – the shadow play – of official, tribal debates as they are. And it undermines our sense of what “normal” is by revealing that it is often what is useful to power elites rather than what is beneficial to the public good.

Emotional resilience

There are reasons why people are drawn to critical thinking. Often because they have been exposed in detail to one particular issue that has opened their eyes to wider narrative manipulations on other issues. Because they have the tools and incentives – the education and access to information – to explore some issues more fully. And, perhaps most importantly, because they have the emotional and psychological resilience to cope with stripping away the veneer of official narratives to see the bleaker reality beneath and to grasp the fearsome obstacles to liberating ourselves from the corrupt elites that rule over us and are pushing us towards ecocidal oblivion.
The anxieties produced by critical thinking, the sense of isolation, and the collapse of “normal” is in one sense chosen. They are self-inflicted. We choose to do critical thinking because we feel capable of coping with what it brings to light. But Covid is different. Our exposure to Covid, unlike critical thinking, has been entirely outside our control. And worse, it has deepened our emotional and psychological insecurities. To do critical thinking in a time of Covid – and most especially about Covid – is to add a big extra layer of anxiety, isolation, and hopelessness.
Covid has highlighted the difficulties of being insecure and vulnerable, thereby underscoring why critical thinking, even in good times, is so difficult. When we are anxious and isolated, we want quick, reassuring solutions, and we want someone to blame. We want authority figures to trust and act in our name.

Complex thinking

It is not hard to understand why the magic bullet of vaccines – to the exclusion of all else – has been so fervently grasped during the pandemic. Exclusive reliance on vaccines has been a great way for our corrupt, incompetent governments to show they know what they are doing. The vaccines have been an ideal way for corrupt medical-industrial corporations – including the biggest offender, Pfizer – to launder their images and make us all feel indebted to them after so many earlier scandals like Oxycontin. And, of course, the vaccines have been a comfort blanket to us, the public, promising to bring ZeroCovid (false), to provide long-term immunity (false), and to end transmission (false).
And as an added bonus, vaccines have allowed both our corrupt leaders to shift the blame away from themselves for their other failed public health policies and our corrupt “health” corporations to shift attention away from their profiteering by encouraging the vaccinated majority to scapegoat an unvaccinated minority. Divide and rule par excellence.
To state all this is not to be against the vaccines or believe the virus should rip through the population, killing the vulnerable, any more than criticizing the US war crime of bombing Syria signifies enthusiastic support for Assad. It is only to recognize that political realities are complex, and our thinking needs to be complex too.
 
In Hawai'i the hospital bed capacity is "full" with COVID patients. Wanna know how many need intensive care? Only 10%. The rest are just inpatients because the "crisis" means they can't be discharged until they're coof-negative.

Got a source for that? I'm interested in anything regarding the hospital bed issues.
 

Gee, nothing suspicious about that incident at all. Makes me wonder if a staff member made the whole thing up. Why else would anybody be finding shit in a patients stuffed animal
 
I bet $12 he will mandate them in 2023 for them sweet federal dollars.
On another note,it's shocking to me that BC,the province that still hasn't even begun to recover from the Opioid crisis caused by big pharma is the most vaxxed province. Normies never learn,do they?
Dooming aside this won't happen, at least in Alberta. The UCP actually removed the provincial ability to mandate vaccinations last year and Kenney has a leadership convention in a few months. Couple on the fact the Alberta election is next year and you will not be seeing the Albertan Cons doing anything of the sort just to ensure they don't split the party.

I'm also hard-pressed seeing any province including BC or Quebec actually instituting a mandate at this stage; crap polling aside, it will invite a fuckton of court challenges and the last thing any provincial government wants is explaining a lost mandate challenge during an election. The federal health minister only made those remarks today as a trial balloon because the Liberals want any sort of win they can get without needing to take responsibility for it.
 
To be clear, we definitely won't hear anything about a ruling for... Days? Weeks? Months? They seem to be fast tracking this one, but who knows.

Arguments will be boring -- Nick Rekieta will be doing a stream. Most amusing thing will likely be the dawning realization from anyone listening that Sotomayor and Kagan are literally fucking retarded. (No, seriously. If you listen to them they very clearly have developmental problems. It's one of those things we as a nation just politely ignore.)

I double-checked how long it took the USSC to turn around the CDC eviction moratorium case last summer, since it was the closest-related case I could think of in terms of subject matter and urgency. Was about a week to process. That one was somewhat more straightforward than this, since that was really a second round on a situation the Supremes had already warned the admin they were going to bitchslap them if they just copy-pasted the earlier moratorium (which, predictably, they did, because stupid authoritarians gonna stupid authoritarian).

So based on a combination of that prior example, the urgency of getting a resolution on this issue with the paralysis among an increasing number of major employers this is causing, and a rummage around the inside of my ass, I'd expect a ruling by the end of the month at the latest, and a good chance of a decision by the end of next week. They have a tremendous incentive to fast-track this one hard. But this is Clown World eXtreme, so if I'm wrong I'll experience zero surprise.

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This is such a dumb comparison. Why are liberals so bad with false equivalencies?

When I read this I literally swore out loud from the stupidity of the question. The current bench isn't a step down from the Rehnquist court of 20 years ago, it's a freefall off a cliff.



Haven't gotten to read the transcript of today's oral arguments yet, will be back with a little sperganalysis later tonight (also attached a copy of the transcript to this post). In the meantime, here's some early highlights and the general impression from some news outlets.

NPR (Archive) and Reuters (Archive) -- Read the court's reaction to the OSHA mandate as solidly hostile. Somewhat less hostile vs CMS. SCOTUSblog has commentary (linking the version of the article on the author's own page, because for some reason the version on SCOTUSblog itself is abridged).

But at Friday's argument, the OSHA regulation ran into a conservative buzz saw. Right off the bat, Chief Justice John Roberts cast doubt on the regulation, declaring: "This is something the federal government has never done before."

Justices Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, Clarence Thomas, and Samuel Alito indicated even more strongly that, in their view, the regulation went too far. They argued that at minimum Congress would have to enact a new statute that specifically authorizes the vaccine-or-test regulation. The chief justice and Justice Amy Coney Barrett appeared less categorical in their approach, but both were clearly skeptical of the regulation.
Roberts voiced doubt that the law passed by Congress establishing OSHA empowered it to take such action.

"That was 50 years ago that you're saying Congress acted. I don't think it had COVID in mind. That was almost closer to the Spanish flu than it is to today's problem," Roberts said, referring to the pandemic that occurred a century ago.

Apparently Roberts put his balls somewhere he could find them again after the CDC ruling last August. Good for him. And Barrett doesn't seem thrilled by OSHA ETS either. Looks like we may have a 6-3 repeat of CDC on the OSHA ETS mandate.

In the second case argued Friday, involving health care workers, the court's conservatives did not seem as unified in their hostility. As the chief justice observed, the regulation, issued by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, is different because it is based on the long established principle that when the government funds a program, it can put conditions on how the money is used.

"What could be closer to addressing the Covid-19 problem...than health care," he said, adding that when people people go to a hospital, for whatever reason, "if they face COVID-19 concerns , well, that's much worse."

But not on the CMS mandate. Kavanaugh and Barrett quibble on this one too, the latter seeming open to letting a narrower version of the CMS mandate through that's more precisely tailored to the nature of the medical facility as to whether or not it's mandatable, and the former wondering why hospitals aren't suing. This is why you always get your name in front of the court if you want to be heard.

Kavanaugh noted that private healthcare providers have not challenged the mandate that states are seeking to end, adding: "The people who are regulated are not here complaining about the regulation. It's a very unusual situation."

Meanwhile, three choice quotes to sum up the Breyer/Sotomayor/Kagan wing. If only we could've gotten @borsabil and @Drain Todger before the court as witnesses to set them straight with stats and facts. :gunt:

Justice Stephen Breyer disputed the challengers' assertion that the regulation should be blocked "in the public interest" when "nearly three-quarters of a million people" are being infected every day. "I would find that unbelievable."
Justice Kagan, by then infuriated, put it more bluntly. All the rule does is "say to providers,...'basically, the one thing you can't do is kill your patients.'"
"This is a pandemic in which nearly a million people have died," liberal Justice Elena Kagan said, referring to the U.S. death toll during arguments over the OSHA mandate. "It is by far the greatest public health danger that this country has faced in the last century. More and more people are dying every day. More and more people are getting sick every day. ... And this is the policy that is most geared to stopping all this."
I think it was you, @X Prime , who responded to me over in the Biden megathread with a prediction these three would be running purely on emotion. :drink:
 

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I posted this in the Biden thread too but assuming a week to get a decision from the courts, that puts this too late anyway. The OSHA mandate goes into effect on Monday. My company has already announced that either you need to be vaxxed or have a weekly test on your own dime. I’m kind of looking forward to seeing how many people don’t show up for work Monday.

What makes this funnier is they just announced if you have a positive test you have to stay home for 5 days but you have to either use your PTO or not get paid. I guarantee the guys on the line are going to have a lot of colds in the future.
 
I posted this in the Biden thread too but assuming a week to get a decision from the courts, that puts this too late anyway. The OSHA mandate goes into effect on Monday. My company has already announced that either you need to be vaxxed or have a weekly test on your own dime. I’m kind of looking forward to seeing how many people don’t show up for work Monday.

What makes this funnier is they just announced if you have a positive test you have to stay home for 5 days but you have to either use your PTO or not get paid. I guarantee the guys on the line are going to have a lot of colds in the future.
If we get to the point of requiring tests, I'll probably lie and say I got tested then refuse to give my results. "Sorry, that's between me and my doctor."
 
Well my mother tested positive for covid. She has mild symptoms. She's fully vaxxed. In a sample consisting of her and me, 100% of the vaxxed have contracted the virus and gotten ill, while 0% of the unvaxxed have contrated the virus and gotten ill.
 
Got a source for that? I'm interested in anything regarding the hospital bed issues.
It's based on stats from one of the local newspapers, the Honolulu Star-Advertiser. Unfortunately you have to pay to access their articles online and it's a hard paywall so idk if I can get you a copy of the article without physically finding and photographing a newspaper. I think the article came out yesterday or Wednesday though if you find a way to look, it would have been on the front page.
 
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Well my mother tested positive for covid. She has mild symptoms. She's fully vaxxed. In a sample consisting of her and me, 100% of the vaxxed have contracted the virus and gotten ill, while 0% of the unvaxxed have contrated the virus and gotten ill.
woah it's almost like the vaccine is not only useless but gives you super mega nigger AIDS
 
Do not forget Donald Trump winning the United States elections. Th entire Internet was claiming tha 'TRIUMYP IS HITLER!!!!!', making Canadians wan to avoid electing a 'Canadian Hitler'. There were, ironically, calls to avoid splitting the vote on Justin Trudeau.
The real problem is that people (including K-Farmers) think the Conservative Party under O'Toole is any different than the LPC. They're worse than RINOs.
 
I bet $12 he will mandate them in 2023 for them sweet federal dollars.
On another note,it's shocking to me that BC,the province that still hasn't even begun to recover from the Opioid crisis caused by big pharma is the most vaxxed province. Normies never learn,do they?
You know those junkies made their own choices, right? Every single oxy-fag I've ever known knew they were over-using them and ignoring medical instruction. BTW, Vancouver's opioid problems go back to the Heroine epidemic of the 70s, so please stop apologizing for a bunch of tweakers that would kill you for $5.

And then they vote for the NDP,learning nothing.
TBF, that was due to infiltrators vote-splitting, as is par for the course in Canadian politics.
 
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