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Late as hell to the featured post about the BBC protest & PLing (obvious the reactions this will get, but I'll face the consequences) but I'm FtM myself, and I'm of the opinion that this "you HAVE to have sex with me even though I'm trans with my birth genitals" mindset is just pure entitled bullshit. Trans people can't be demanding human rights then strip cis people of those rights in return.

I understand a lot of trans people want to be seen as their desired gender identity, like of course I do as well, but it will never be ideal for us and so many just toss realistic expectations out the window in favor of "this is what I want and if I don't get it, the world owes me and cis people are to blame". That is literally one of the worst, if not the worst, types of thinking to have when you're a minority of any sort.

No wonder we're a fucking laughingstock. It's hard not to look at shit posted by the overly vocal, terminally online crowd and think "these people deserve to be treated better than they are right now". Anyone who isn't batshit gets buried alive underneath the trash.
 
MTF transgenders are least likely to start a relationship with MTF transgenders
because they arent "their type" and thats okay
whereas real biological women dont have the choice to deny them else its transphobic.
No wonder MTF-MTF edates within speedrunning, ROM hacking, Old Windows, YTPMV and all the other spaces they dominate in seem to always come about as a matter of attention whoring and community drama.

Also, I should point out a very interesting thing that seems to be worth pointing out:

A lot of the people who are relevant to the troonery going on in anywhere that seems obsessed with 2000s aesthetics such as ROM hacking, legacy Windows, phone jailbreaking, old YouTube clones, YTPs and YTPMV, Touhou, emulation development and speedrunning... can all be traced back and have ties to people from communities surrounding a bunch of long gone Discords from 2016/17 Bob Pony Community, Aurora Community, Armada, Netsky, NC Network, Sam's Lounge, NevionMC, the ElectronicWiz1 Server, Aero Community... many of these had all the same people and behaviours going on in them, lots of drama and in this day and age many of the people who were prominent in surrounding those communities now have a good 2,000-100,000 followers on Twitter. (best example is "foone", another example is the gimmick account "ringtonebangers" ran by an ex-Aero Community admin)

(Another source would be the communities that spawned around GBATemp, as well as the AcmlmBoard spinoffs "jul.rustedlogic.net", "board.kafuka.org", "kuribo64.net", "smwcentral.net", "rvlution.net", "101gamers.com": the last two being long dead with limited archival resources, but many people who are or were part of these all seemingly loosely unified communities around those seemingly also became sperging, Twitter-famous, troon-enabling activists at the very least.

Except the owner of the last one mentioned, though he became a sperg in his own right, seeing as he literally once made a thread over here: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/gaymie-digtard-spergs-tantrums-out.88496/

Man, I guess liking Nintendo after the age of 5 is like buying a one way ticket to hell... (and certainly not back once you snort HRT, if anyone realises that I snuck a song reference into this sentence)
 
I always disliked Christine McConnell but couldn't put my finger on why since I share similar interests.

As soon as I read the post saying they're trans, Philosophy Tube immediately popped into my head and now I cannot unsee how obvious it is.

That and if you google the name and trans, the first page has a random forum post on a random small website saying they knew the family when they only had sons. Not that that is exact proof but I feel like looking like high-end PT is enough.
 
The Christine McConnell thing is irrationally irritating to me. I hate current year and how it has made me skeptical of tall women with angular features. As though there aren’t just tall actual women with angular features out there being female and minding their own business, trains ruin everything.

When you search Christine’s name and trans, either many fewer people are wondering than I would assume, or the results are being curated.
 
I'm of the opinion that this "you HAVE to have sex with me even though I'm trans with my birth genitals" mindset is just pure entitled bullshit.
Pro-tip: You (and every other trans-identified person) will always have your "birth genitals," and getting them butchered up doesn't make demanding sex from unwilling gay and lesbian people any more acceptable or okay. A biological male who has had his dick turned inside out doesn't have a "vagina," he has an inside-out dick; A biological female who has had some of her arm skin turned into a salami sewn to her crotch doesn't have a "penis," she has a tube of arm skin stuck to her crotch over where her vulva was before she had it removed as much as possible and sewn shut. No lesbian is ever going to be attracted to a male, even if he has an inside-out dick; likewise, no gay man will ever be attracted to a female, even if she has a bologna tube stuck between her legs.

I'd also point out that it's all "entitled bullshit". Including "wanting to be seen as (your) desired gender identity". When you walk into the men's room, that's entitled bullshit - you feel entitled to a space that doesn't belong to you, and you are invading the privacy of those who do belong there. When you call yourself a "man" despite having no idea what that actually means because you aren't and never have been one, that's entitled bullshit too. And so on.

(Sorry y'all. I have an ongoing frustration with troons who try to act like they can actually change their sex, or that SRS bears any resemblance whatsoever to actual genitalia at all, let alone the genitalia of the opposite sex.)
 
So what if one meets one of the rare cases of someone who isn't a toxic, forceful pile of narcissistic shite (i.e. they bother to acknowledge science), but is still a tranny (especially if they have interests that are troon-typical/have signs of AGP)?

I've come across such and such online who are very clearly genuine people but are trannies with likely AGP-induced transition reasons, who just live their lives, I'm just not sure how to feel about them. Whether they're bad people because of the AGP roots alone despite the fact they're proven to not be complete and utter wankers, or...
 
Trans people can't be demanding human rights then strip cis people of those rights in return.
As soon as a trans person(or ally) tries to use 'cis' I immediately tune out anything they say as they try to make normal people some sort of oddity.

There are no 'cismen' or 'ciswomen'. It's 'men' or 'women' for normal people and 'transmen' or 'transwomen' for the others.
 
As soon as a trans person(or ally) tries to use 'cis' I immediately tune out anything they say as they try to make normal people some sort of oddity.

There are no 'cismen' or 'ciswomen'. It's 'men' or 'women' for normal people and 'transmen' or 'transwomen' for the others.
I am ashamed to admit the "cis" word habitually entered my vocabulary long ago when I was still a troon and I really just wish it would just fuck right off out of it.

I wonder if it's meant to divert their sissy fetishism by misspelling it as "cissy" then shortening it for their prefix denoting normal people.
 
No wonder MTF-MTF edates within speedrunning, ROM hacking, Old Windows, YTPMV and all the other spaces they dominate in seem to always come about as a matter of attention whoring and community drama.

Also, I should point out a very interesting thing that seems to be worth pointing out:

A lot of the people who are relevant to the troonery going on in anywhere that seems obsessed with 2000s aesthetics such as ROM hacking, legacy Windows, phone jailbreaking, old YouTube clones, YTPs and YTPMV, Touhou, emulation development and speedrunning... can all be traced back and have ties to people from communities surrounding a bunch of long gone Discords from 2016/17 Bob Pony Community, Aurora Community, Armada, Netsky, NC Network, Sam's Lounge, NevionMC, the ElectronicWiz1 Server, Aero Community... many of these had all the same people and behaviours going on in them, lots of drama and in this day and age many of the people who were prominent in surrounding those communities now have a good 2,000-100,000 followers on Twitter. (best example is "foone", another example is the gimmick account "ringtonebangers" ran by an ex-Aero Community admin)

(Another source would be the communities that spawned around GBATemp, as well as the AcmlmBoard spinoffs "jul.rustedlogic.net", "board.kafuka.org", "kuribo64.net", "smwcentral.net", "rvlution.net", "101gamers.com": the last two being long dead with limited archival resources, but many people who are or were part of these all seemingly loosely unified communities around those seemingly also became sperging, Twitter-famous, troon-enabling activists at the very least.

Except the owner of the last one mentioned, though he became a sperg in his own right, seeing as he literally once made a thread over here: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/gaymie-digtard-spergs-tantrums-out.88496/

Man, I guess liking Nintendo after the age of 5 is like buying a one way ticket to hell... (and certainly not back once you snort HRT, if anyone realises that I snuck a song reference into this sentence)

It was no different in 1999. I remember playing UT/Quake back then and getting up more than once to shoot some bitches in the face only to find out that (another) IRC network had lost their hosting and we had to go find a new one... why? Because hentai trading faggots had gotten so many copyright notices that no one was willing to host them, that's why.

And the response to "fuck you horny spergs, we just want gaming channels" was always "anime is part of the gaming community you can't separate us."

I'd bet money 99% of those weak stick losers is a 40 year old troon today, trying to get blue hairs and pink hairs to send him titty pics.
 
So what if one meets one of the rare cases of someone who isn't a toxic, forceful pile of narcissistic shite (i.e. they bother to acknowledge science), but is still a tranny (especially if they have interests that are troon-typical/have signs of AGP)?

I've come across such and such online who are very clearly genuine people but are trannies with likely AGP-induced transition reasons, who just live their lives, I'm just not sure how to feel about them. Whether they're bad people because of the AGP roots alone despite the fact they're proven to not be complete and utter wankers, or...
You're asking if a trans person didn't insist people uncritically accept their belief that a man can become a woman or vice versa, would people be okay with that? Probably. Nobody really cared about people with "headmates" or whatever until they started making that a social justice issue too.

But on a one-to-one level? That's just between you and whoever you're talking to. There are lots of people who have really personal reasons for why they may never get along with trans people, no matter how nice are outwardly. Nobody has the right to control anyone else's feelings.
 
So what if one meets one of the rare cases of someone who isn't a toxic, forceful pile of narcissistic shite (i.e. they bother to acknowledge science), but is still a tranny (especially if they have interests that are troon-typical/have signs of AGP)?

I've come across such and such online who are very clearly genuine people but are trannies with likely AGP-induced transition reasons, who just live their lives, I'm just not sure how to feel about them. Whether they're bad people because of the AGP roots alone despite the fact they're proven to not be complete and utter wankers, or...
Can't speak for anyone else, but personally idgaf as long as they don't try to claim identities and spaces that don't belong to them. If they call themselves a crossdressing man, don't claim to be "women," don't go into women's bathrooms/other sex-specific spaces for women, etc. I could give a shit what they do or what fetishes they have.

But the minute they start prancing around claiming that their fetish or mental illness means they're "women", the minute they start barging into women's bathrooms and invading women's privacy? Yeah, that makes them "bad people". It makes them entitled and misogynistic - entitled enough to assume that they, as men, can know what it's like to be a woman; entitled enough to believe that they deserve access to women's single-sex spaces; misogynistic enough to believe that a man can "become" a woman by embodying misogynistic stereotypes... etc. And that harms all women. Nevermind the ones that support and fight for the "right" to legally be considered "women," to be included in women's sports, etc. which is even worse.

So that's what makes them shit. It's not just their disgusting attitudes, it's the entitlement and misogyny that is part and parcel of "identifying" as something you can never be and destroying women's rights and spaces. If all of that didn't happen... sure, whatever. But they wouldn't be trans, they'd just be crossdressing men, so it's a moot point.
 
Can't speak for anyone else, but personally idgaf as long as they don't try to claim identities and spaces that don't belong to them. If they call themselves a crossdressing man, don't claim to be "women," don't go into women's bathrooms/other sex-specific spaces for women, etc. I could give a shit what they do or what fetishes they have.

But the minute they start prancing around claiming that their fetish or mental illness means they're "women", the minute they start barging into women's bathrooms and invading women's privacy? Yeah, that makes them "bad people". It makes them entitled and misogynistic - entitled enough to assume that they, as men, can know what it's like to be a woman; entitled enough to believe that they deserve access to women's single-sex spaces; misogynistic enough to believe that a man can "become" a woman by embodying misogynistic stereotypes... etc. And that harms all women. Nevermind the ones that support and fight for the "right" to legally be considered "women," to be included in women's sports, etc. which is even worse.

So that's what makes them shit. It's not just their disgusting attitudes, it's the entitlement and misogyny that is part and parcel of "identifying" as something you can never be and destroying women's rights and spaces. If all of that didn't happen... sure, whatever. But they wouldn't be trans, they'd just be crossdressing men, so it's a moot point.
The problem is that ultimately these troons cannot have what they want - which is the remaking of their own objective physical condition - and after failing that they seek to remake society's perceptions of the troon in question. For the longest time the best they could do was crossdressing in private settings, but after attaching themselves to the drive to normalize homosexuality they see no reason to limit themselves to what they had before. Now nothing less than a complete eradication of objective gender norms and roles will do. They don't want women's sports or women's bathrooms, they want a singular space where they and only they are applauded and validated.
 
The problem is that ultimately these troons cannot have what they want - which is the remaking of their own objective physical condition - and after failing that they seek to remake society's perceptions of the troon in question. For the longest time the best they could do was crossdressing in private settings, but after attaching themselves to the drive to normalize homosexuality they see no reason to limit themselves to what they had before. Now nothing less than a complete eradication of objective gender norms and roles will do. They don't want women's sports or women's bathrooms, they want a singular space where they and only they are applauded and validated.
I'm not sure that I agree with the premise that trans-identified people even want to actually change their physical bodies. Only about 5% of trans-identified males get SRS, and the numbers are far lower for trans-identified females. iirc even the number of trans-identified people who get cosmetic surgeries ("top surgery," ffs, etc.) is quite low. The majority don't even try to pass. They don't want to be the opposite sex, they want the control and, often, sexual excitement that - for them - comes with forcing others to treat them as the opposite sex and invading opposite sex spaces.

I also don't think the trans movement can be blamed on the gay rights movement. Trans activism steals from every minority rights movement - they've stolen slogans and activist narratives from the civil rights movement, the gay rights movement, BLM, Stop Asian Hate, every movement you could possibly imagine. I think the trans movement could more accurately be pegged to be riding the coattails of the sex positive movement than the gay rights movement - the sex positive movement is all about normalizing fetishes, public exposure of sex and sexuality, extreme pornography, etc. All things that the trans movement is based in and relies on. Even if gay rights had never been even remotely successful - and I'd like to remind you that gay people still do not have equal rights in virtually any part of the world today, the movement is not over - the trans movement very likely still would have happened so long as the liberal feminist-led sex positive movement still arose. That's ymmv though.

The trans movement also has zero interest in eradicating gender norms and roles - they rely on those gender norms and roles and strictly enforce them. They can't claim an uproar over not being recognized as a woman while wearing a dress if you normalize men wearing dresses - and I'm not pulling that as a random example, there was a whole uproar a while back because some black male celebrity wore a skirt and trans activists proclaimed that he was "stepping on trans territory" and needed to stop being gender non-conforming because if he were gender non-conforming and male, it would make it harder for them to be "recognized" as identifying as women based on their conformity to opposite sex-assigned gender stereotypes.

They also emphatically do want "women's spaces" and "women's sports" to exist, because being "validated" as women is what gets them off. Even if you created an entire space dedicated to the worship of trans-identified males, it wouldn't be good enough, because forcing everyone to include them as "women" is part of the fetish.

...sorry. I didn't mean to come at this so hard. Please know I'm just shooting the shit here and not trying to attack you or say you're necessarily wrong, etc. This is how I get away with not paying attention to the shit movie I've got on lol.
 
As soon as a trans person(or ally) tries to use 'cis' I immediately tune out anything they say as they try to make normal people some sort of oddity.

There are no 'cismen' or 'ciswomen'. It's 'men' or 'women' for normal people and 'transmen' or 'transwomen' for the others.
Unless you're talking about isomers

Although how the term got from isomers to people dicking around in dresses is beyond me
 
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