Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Dixieland Buckaroo]

Its likely he's got a piece of the action, but its also likely that even if Disney does own the rights they are trying to make a solid break to keep them lawsuit proof, even if there isn't a need.

When JJ make his Star Trek reboots, PAramount had license to use the copyrighted Trek vocabulary, but they didn't use it strengthen their position against any potential suits.

Something else I thought about: Thanks to disney, Copyright now lasts for a retarded life time of the creator + I think we're up to 90 years now. They are trying to get around that by ensuring Disney owns the rights to everything, and that the corporation is the creator. Disney is also possibly taking the long game on their movies to ensure they never public domain

The only piece of the action George still has in Star Wars, that anyone is aware of (certainly at least that I have seen), is the 37 million shares of Disney stock Goerge received. Which was about 2% of the company when the deal closed to buy LFL. Look up any trademark or registered.copyright- since 1985 on, they're all registered to Lucasfilm, not to George or any individual.

These comparisons to Star Trek are stupid and I think where the idiocy came from that George is getting something more than his corporate ownership. When CBS and Viacom split in the mid 00s, both companies got some rights to Star Trek, but not everything. That's where Jon Eaves comment about needing to be 25% different became really interesting. Of course, that was an off-hand comment (on facebag), amidst a very complex corporate ownership saga (that is now moot with the emergence of a unified Paramount). While CBS denied the comments at the time, there was likely some truth there- Eaves has been a stand-up guy, and it may have been more an issue with Kurtzman's company and CBS than CBS and Paramount. (Or just fenee

Every indication is that George sold Star Wars, lock, stock, and barrel, with maybe the only exception being some memorabilia for his forthcoming museum. The most I have seen of his involvement since the sale is him doing a set tour (on Mando, maybe on others).

If Goerge had such control or a piece of the action, Disney would have stuck to his sequel story idea, and we wouldn't have gotten that lovely "white slavers" line from the Charlie Rose interview with George, post Force Awakens. (Yeah, he's walked that back a bit, but billions of dollars in Disney stock will do that, even if he does give it away in the end.)

Edit: again, it is possible George somehow still does have a further interest, but there is zero public evidence to support this theory, and a mountain of anecdotal evidence that says he doesn't.

 

[Ensok]

@Polyboros2 from the late 90ies to this day the BattleTech franchise haves the most books, are in the same canon and no recons. WH40K and Warhammer fantasy with each new edition, resets and recons to everything been GW's M.O.

Off-topic but I had started reading the Dark Age series of Battletech like years and years ago before losing interest. And then I think it never finished anyways. Reading up Battletech lore and in-universe history it's pretty insane.

 

[Goodbye Horses]

The only piece of the action George still has in Star Wars, that anyone is aware of (certainly at least that I have seen), is the 37 million shares of Disney stock Goerge received. Which was about 2% of the company when the deal closed to buy LFL. Look up any trademark or registered.copyright- since 1985 on, they're all registered to Lucasfilm, not to George or any individual.

These comparisons to Star Trek are stupid and I think where the idiocy came from that George is getting something more than his corporate ownership. When CBS and Viacom split in the mid 00s, both companies got some rights to Star Trek, but not everything. That's where Jon Eaves comment about needing to be 25% different became really interesting. Of course, that was an off-hand comment (on facebag), amidst a very complex corporate ownership saga (that is now moot with the emergence of a unified Paramount). While CBS denied the comments at the time, there was likely some truth there- Eaves has been a stand-up guy, and it may have been more an issue with Kurtzman's company and CBS than CBS and Paramount. (Or just fenee

Every indication is that George sold Star Wars, lock, stock, and barrel, with maybe the only exception being some memorabilia for his forthcoming museum. The most I have seen of his involvement since the sale is him doing a set tour (on Mando, maybe on others).

If Goerge had such control or a piece of the action, Disney would have stuck to his sequel story idea, and we wouldn't have gotten that lovely "white slavers" line from the Charlie Rose interview with George, post Force Awakens. (Yeah, he's walked that back a bit, but billions of dollars in Disney stock will do that, even if he does give it away in the end.)

Edit: again, it is possible George somehow still does have a further interest, but there is zero public evidence to support this theory, and a mountain of anecdotal evidence that says he doesn't.

He's got screenwriter credits on all of the original movies, so he'll be getting residuals from them and passive payments for any derivative film or TV projects based on them. Not that it would make a difference to any conspiracy theories as they'll be relatively small amounts and he gets them no matter what as long as there's a single connection to Star Wars.
The side-lining of existing characters in favour of donut steals and scrotum aliens probably has more to do with whatever the deal is between Disney and Bad Robot, as it's likely JarJar Abrams does get a piece of whatever is created specifically for Bad Robot productions.

 

[Polyboros2]

@Polyboros2 from the late 90ies to this day the BattleTech franchise haves the most books, are in the same canon and no recons. WH40K and Warhammer fantasy with each new edition, resets and recons to everything been GW's M.O.

Each edition of 40k is not a restart of the Canon. Hell going from Warhammer Fantasy to Age of Sigmar wasn't even a reset cause a character from the Old World became a God and made the new one(I'm not that into Warhammer Fantasy so this is a probably less than completely accurate synopsis but generally true in relation to my point).

Edit, thinking about it, considering how long ago it was you might of played, 1st Edition was definitely a different beast from later. It was very much a goofy satire, I'm bad on my old lore, I'm not sure how cemented things were in 2nd. I think I've heard it was kind of a transitional edition, but I'm fairly confident from 3rd on it's continuous. Besides, the fluff in the books is a massive minority to the huge body of content that is The Black Library side of the Games Workshop.

 

[Sneed F91]

Like clockwork

He's got screenwriter credits on all of the original movies, so he'll be getting residuals from them and passive payments for any derivative film or TV projects based on them. Not that it would make a difference to any conspiracy theories as they'll be relatively small amounts and he gets them no matter what as long as there's a single connection to Star Wars.
The side-lining of existing characters in favour of donut steals and scrotum aliens probably has more to do with whatever the deal is between Disney and Bad Robot, as it's likely JarJar Abrams does get a piece of whatever is created specifically for Bad Robot productions.

Bad Robot has only been involved with the films JJ directly worked on (aka TFA and TROS) because he wanted more creative control and co-produced the movies at his production studio, the side-lining was intended from the very start from KK and her Story Group, whether JJ was going to be involved or not, which explains why Rian's TLJ still shat on Luke, Leia, Yoda, etc. I would also assume LFL gets to keep what JJ created for his movies while he got a cut of the box office profits.

 

[kobebyarlant]

I’d say TLJ is closer to Picard. At it’s worst (so far) Boba Fett is dumb but harmless. The worst part for me is the Vespa gang (and the editing), because they seem like some dumb thing George would’ve thrown into the prequels if he had the chance. Some things are disconnected, or don’t make sense, but hasn’t made me feel insulted or angry. It’s closer to Voyager or Enterprise.

Picard and TLJ shit in your mouth and expect you to applaud their brave subversion of expectations or otherwise you’re a Nazi. They tear down universes and characters people love and replace them with smug, mocking laughter directed at the fans.

 

[Die Dunkle Maus]

Boba Fett was pretty much always just a mook that wasn't particularly compelling in the movies. The entirety of his onscreen accomplishment was having his ship float in some space trash and then chasing after the Millennium Falcon to Cloud City. I guess he also fires a couple shots at Luke in a hallway too (to no avail). Vader and the military force he commanded were the ones who did everything significant in capturing Han Solo while Fett just stands there and complains. Then he gets his ass kicked in a matter of seconds and falls into a pit in Return of the Jedi. It really is surprising that so many fans latched onto the character seemingly entirely due to the fact that he had a cool looking helmet and outfit rather than anything interesting he does on film. I guess aesthetics go a very long way with people.

This is all ancient history coming from someone who was a kiddo at the time...

Boba Fett was a big deal because he was a Star Wars figure before his appearance in the films, after the first movie. In a time of limited media, we had the toys, the fan club, and magazines. You had to send in a certain amount of SW figure cards (the cardboard backing the figures were sold with, we collected them) to get this exclusive figure. We knew he was a bounty hunter, and the fandom went crazy with speculation until Empire Strikes Back. There were stories about him in the newsletter and mags, and we eagerly awaited updates and photos from the film.

Then there was the Christmas special with Maud (not making this up), the only Star Wars TV show at the time... in it there was a cartoon with Fett riding a dragon and our heads exploded. How badass is that? By the time Return of the Jedi came out, there had been years of Boba Fett fiction about this hardcore bounty hunter. We expected a big fight in RotJ, and went to the film excited to see Fett finally show off his kick-ass armor, weapons (including a flame thrower), and jet pack.

Then we got 5 seconds of Fett flying around like a halfwit into the pit. Dreams crushed, I became a man that day, and put away childish things.

Actually, this whole debacle is why I'm an asshole today. Fuck all of you.

 

[Kup]

This is all ancient history coming from someone who was a kiddo at the time...

Boba Fett was a big deal because he was a Star Wars figure before his appearance in the films, after the first movie. In a time of limited media, we had the toys, the fan club, and magazines. You had to send in a certain amount of SW figure cards (the cardboard backing the figures were sold with, we collected them) to get this exclusive figure. We knew he was a bounty hunter, and the fandom went crazy with speculation until Empire Strikes Back. There were stories about him in the newsletter and mags, and we eagerly awaited updates and photos from the film.

Then there was the Christmas special with Maud (not making this up), the only Star Wars TV show at the time... in it there was a cartoon with Fett riding a dragon and our heads exploded. How badass is that? By the time Return of the Jedi came out, there had been years of Boba Fett fiction about this hardcore bounty hunter. We expected a big fight in RotJ, and went to the film excited to see Fett finally show off his kick-ass armor, weapons (including a flame thrower), and jet pack.

Then we got 5 seconds of Fett flying around like a halfwit into the pit. Dreams crushed, I became a man that day, and put away childish things.

Actually, this whole debacle is why I'm an asshole today. Fuck all of you.

For me it was the “young adult” novels that show the change from vengeful boy to cold blooded professional. Six books that show his change and it’s all good shit.

By the end he’s a young man, he’s taken his knocks, been given a healthy startup from Chancellor Palpatine and is a rising star in Jabba’s branch of the Hutt Cartel.

Fett then sort of becomes a Judge Dredd figure, character development freezes (mostly) and you could pickup a story with him in it and not need any context, Boba robbing a bank, Boba protecting a crooked politician, Boba hunts a dangerous alien, etc.

It was awesome.

 

[Sneed F91]

This is all ancient history coming from someone who was a kiddo at the time...

Boba Fett was a big deal because he was a Star Wars figure before his appearance in the films, after the first movie. In a time of limited media, we had the toys, the fan club, and magazines. You had to send in a certain amount of SW figure cards (the cardboard backing the figures were sold with, we collected them) to get this exclusive figure. We knew he was a bounty hunter, and the fandom went crazy with speculation until Empire Strikes Back. There were stories about him in the newsletter and mags, and we eagerly awaited updates and photos from the film.

Then there was the Christmas special with Maud (not making this up), the only Star Wars TV show at the time... in it there was a cartoon with Fett riding a dragon and our heads exploded. How badass is that? By the time Return of the Jedi came out, there had been years of Boba Fett fiction about this hardcore bounty hunter. We expected a big fight in RotJ, and went to the film excited to see Fett finally show off his kick-ass armor, weapons (including a flame thrower), and jet pack.

Then we got 5 seconds of Fett flying around like a halfwit into the pit. Dreams crushed, I became a man that day, and put away childish things.

Actually, this whole debacle is why I'm an asshole today. Fuck all of you.

So basically it was the type of thing you had to be there for (+in to the EU stuff back then) to understand. I wasn't there so I don't get it. Him falling into the Sarlacc pit as a joke meant nothing to me. Not a bad outfit though.

(edit: I'm not excusing Disney Boba for being a massive cuck)

 

[Adamska]

So basically it was the type of thing you had to be there for (+in to the EU stuff back then) to understand. I wasn't there so I don't get it. Him falling into the Sarlacc pit as a joke meant nothing to me. Not a bad outfit though.

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(edit: I'm not excusing Disney Boba for being a massive cuck)

This in a nutshell for me, since if you had to really dig into fandom over a marketing gimmick or dig hard into a book to actually see a bit part's true potential or explain why he's so cool...

Well let's just say don't we shit on Disney for that? Because I sure as fuck do. All the "cool" stuff people gurned on was stuff you had to dig through or watch or read other media to justify that reaction to a bit part at the time. That SCREAMS what Disney kept trying to do, and might be why I got annoyed with him so much. His actual film presence is marginal.

Anyways, the idea that Disney is just actively fucking over the title because of sheer arrogance and malevolent retardation rather than because of royalty rights is pretty... well to be frank I can't express the right wording. I guess even I thought you had to have some version of logic besides "we're too big to fail and these retards will watch it no matter what". I guess I shouldn't have thought that though given that is technically reason enough for the Rat and Kathy. Plus, several users are wasting 44 minutes of their lives each time Blorba Fatt comes on, since lifespan isn't free, complaining about eating rat poison but will do it to the very end anyway.

 

[PseudoScrooge]

You know, somebody told me the great Max Rebo had a cameo in this new piece of trash show that I refuse to watch, but I didn't believe it.

And, of course now that I actually see him, he looks like an off-model fan-made cosplay Fail. And why not, may as well match everything else about the rest of the show.

I can't remember if we've discussed this around here, but at $8 a month, how is Disney making any money from any of this? Many of the subscribers they have either got their subscription for free or included with something else, or are using their Grandma's name and password anyway. The rest of everyone is pirating it. Nevermind the "TV budget" being much smaller, compared to films in actual theatres, where each person is supposed to buy a ticket, how is any of this remotely profitable, considering they are supposed to be billions behind after Virus World?

 

[Midwit]

I can't remember if we've discussed this around here, but at $8 a month, how is Disney making any money from any of this?

They have 118 million subscribers based on a quick google search, and if they're each paying $8/month that's $944m/month and $11b/year. Even if only a quarter of them are actually paying for the service those are some very good numbers.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

People have no taste, that's why this shit is even selling. If it isn't from exposure online, it's just people being consoomers in a crisis of identity.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

I sat through episode 3 with my husband.

We were BOTH laughing our asses off at that chase scene. Good god almighty, that was embarrassing.

That cyborg teen biker gang was a cringey mix of Power Rangers, Spy Kids, and the Neutrinos from Ninja Turtles.

 

[Xenomorphs Are Cute]

I sat through episode 3 with my husband.

We were BOTH laughing our asses off at that chase scene. Good god almighty, that was embarrassing.

That cyborg teen biker gang was a cringey mix of Power Rangers, Spy Kids, and the Neutrinos from Ninja Turtles.

It's so genuinely slow that it's stupid. I'm going through post-effects of a knee dislocation (leg stopping for split seconds midway, the whole leg lacking the strength to jump & run, etc.) & I can run faster than them.

Also, Bloba Fat caught up to him on his Jetpack anyway, so what's even the point of the chase?

 

[HumanHive]

I sat through episode 3 with my husband.

We were BOTH laughing our asses off at that chase scene. Good god almighty, that was embarrassing.

That cyborg teen biker gang was a cringey mix of Power Rangers, Spy Kids, and the Neutrinos from Ninja Turtles.

I bet they were added because somebody (maybe Rodriguez, maybe a rando exec) thought that zoomers/millenials wouldn't be able to identify with an elderly New Zealander.

 

[Michael Wade]

I’d say TLJ is closer to Picard. At it’s worst (so far) Boba Fett is dumb but harmless. The worst part for me is the Vespa gang (and the editing), because they seem like some dumb thing George would’ve thrown into the prequels if he had the chance. Some things are disconnected, or don’t make sense, but hasn’t made me feel insulted or angry. It’s closer to Voyager or Enterprise.

Picard and TLJ shit in your mouth and expect you to applaud their brave subversion of expectations or otherwise you’re a Nazi. They tear down universes and characters people love and replace them with smug, mocking laughter directed at the fans.

Thank you. That is exactly what im trying to convey to people about how much worse Picard is then Boba.

 

[Screamer]

We were BOTH laughing our asses off at that chase scene. Good god almighty, that was embarrassing.

It was amateurish. I wonder if they scrapped the careful planning and pre-visualisation work that they do on the Mandolorian. It seems impossible someone was watching an animated version of that and signed off on it.

Is there any information on this being done significantly cheaper and quicker than the other show?

 

[make_it_so]

Crypto-shills like Doomcuck on the other hand have their head in the sand pretending that Krrsantan is a character from the Expanded Universe who’s been reintroduced to the Disney canon.

They must be confusing him with Snoova, who was introduced for Shadows of the Empire.

Basically the same concept - mean, gritty, Wookie bounty hunter.

 

[Xenomorphs Are Cute]

Bros, I just had a fucking revelation