Debate user BoxerShorts47 on "strawmans" and logical fallacies, definitions of ephebophilia, how to MAGA, religion, Sailor Moon and more

Who the hell can keep up with a 600 page thread? We really need an OP.


I've added the oral and anal hatred, but nothing from the most recent developments via @Syntaxion. If anybody wants to tweak this and add the latest for an OP, by all means.

The basics:

James Garcia (highly suspected name) is in his near-30s (28 is heavily implied), unemployed, lives with his mom, and collects welfare. Refuses to find a job, unless it is CEO-level and given to him. Finds anything else as beneath him.

He was born in Romania. His parent(s) survived the collapse of the USSR, then immigrated to the United States after hardship in post-Soviet Romania, bringing him and an unknown number of siblings. No mention of father.

He claims to have a degree (implied to be an Associates) for Business from a community college, where he wigged out frequently and was disciplined by staff.

He believes Sailor Moon is degenerate, but his favorite is Sailor Uranus.

He is a white nationalist that supports global segregation and national ethnostates. He is very, VERY not-white though.

He claims to be politically right, but actually falls into authoritarian left. Fails to see this, even though he referenced a chart-test confirming just that.

He states a devotion to the red-pilled ways of MGTOW, but wants to go further than even it's most extreme members and participants.

He has a (highly suspected) Twitter dedicated to crotch shots of Filipino men, and was dumb enough to use the same username on the Kiwi Farms.

He believes oral and anal sex are degenerate, as well as sabotaging the white population's birthrate.

He wants to remove age of consent. Originally, 14 was his go-to age, but this keeps getting lower. Fails to acknowledge what many have said in this debate thread, that if you lower the age of consent, it will be taken advantage of to go lower. He says this will not happen, but he is doing exactly that. His most recent go-to age is 12.

He wants to eliminate the Declaration of Independence and U.S. Constitution, replacing them with his manifesto. Fails to understand most right-wing individuals would oppose this, especially coming from a foreign-blooded individual. The left-wing's more extreme followers are likely to support this, but he insists all left-wing individuals are to be imprisoned for slave labor.

He wants to "own the libs", but by staying as a mixed-race person this only supports the left. He admits he himself must be deported to his countries of origin, which are either Latin America, the Balkans (Bosnia), the Philippines, Eastern Europe (Romania), or the Middle East (Israel or Iran, mostly).

He wants the English language purged of all non-English words, especially Latin and French. Fails to understand English is no longer English without these. Furthermore, he believes Liberals, particularly feminist Liberals, hijacked the English language centuries ago to invent words like "underage" and "racism". Despite this, he still uses modern English to type, and will be using it for his manifesto. Said manifesto is over one million (1,000,000) words long.

IQ tests are the be all, end all for him. He proclaims possessing a 145 IQ himself, but has shown no proof. Some users on the Kiwi Farms have outscored him, with proof, but he accepts no IQ test but his own. Fails to share his own version of the test, or acknowledge the hypocrisy of dismissing other IQ tests except his, even when using tests he simultaneously dismisses to justify his IQ. Anyone below 145 IQ is to be deported to prison or labor camps.

He wants to deport all non-whites to their country of origin, no exceptions. Half-whites can stay, but must accept second class status. Only fully white men can lead businesses and govern through politics. White women must marry in their preteens, breed constantly with only white men, and cater and serve their husbands. White women must never work, unless it is domestic house chores. Despite this, his mom works to support him, while he is unemployed and unwilling to find employment.

Having children is how you should receive any voting rights, regardless of the parental quality, and these children must be educated to become respectable husbands and wives, but only according to his preferred standards. Furthermore, voting is pointless unless it already aligns with his beliefs, as he insists upon being a dictator. Fails to understand why this would discourage birthing or likelihood to vote.

The kicker? BoxerShorts47 is Jewish (self confirmed), Filipino (highly suspected), Slavic (self confirmed; Romanian), some sort of Hispanic (accidentally self confirmed), Indo-Iranian (self implied), and Bosnian (implied), by his own words and admittance.

He benefits no way from this so-called Boxtopian world, and is only cucking himself.


Edit: Added his favorite Sailor Moon character.
 
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I found some more stuff.

For starters, after searching for far too long, it turns out, he deleted his LinkedIn at some point:


Very coincidental of Emil to delete his Linkedin, when no one else in his family has done so. Trying to hide something, Emil? Trying to stay anonymous?

Now how do I know that's his linkedin?

Well, luckily I found his entire CV online:

short version:
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Full version:
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The CV has the link to his linkedin, but leads to a "this account cannot be found" page

Also, the CV just helps confirm the dox even more.

Because, it not only mentions Emil going to college for Business Administration, but also that he's, ahem, currently "a self-employed researcher" (i.e. unemployed) lmfao. Also confirms him as having worked with cars and, according to himself, speaking Russian.

If the "import performance" company he helped start is this one, then it also comfirms that he worked with Japanese cars a lot

And I found this college related document that mentions him as part of this project group:


No idea what's it about exactly though. Probably some student project he did in college. I also uploaded the document incase the site goes offline.

Also random stuff

Politics sperging, the usual:
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Seems he used to be less anti-Semitic than he currently is. Not weird, given he's partially Jewish himself. Makes you wonder why he went even more extreme since then.

He has eye issues
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Amazon (archive) (it's him, has both PC hardware like what our Boxy is into and dog stuff that Emil's uncle (?) is into)


He claims to be 28, yet this dox is 31. Obvious fail, Boxy wouldn't lie because he can't handle the fact he's in the fourth decade of his sorry existence and has accomplished nothing. He wouldn't. Faildox.
ngl, I did wonder sometimes if Boxy is just impersonating Emil and wanted this stuff to be found to throw us off. Like, that Boxy knows him IRL.
But that would lead to so many questions regarding Emil, like why his facebook and linkedin completely secret, while no one else in the family is like that? How come Boxy is so effective at impersonating Emil? How did he get Emil's pics for his profile pictures? But still. I'm kind of expecting Boxy to just come in and flat out claim it's not him, despite all the evidence.
 

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He claims to be 28, yet this dox is 31. Obvious fail, Boxy wouldn't lie because he can't handle the fact he's in the fourth decade of his sorry existence and has accomplished nothing. He wouldn't. Faildox.

28 was never confirmed, it's just the most likely thought age at the time. It is possible he was 29, and just gravitated to that age. I've had to catch myself sometimes with my age, in conversation or forms. Tack on the nearly 2 years he's been here, and it lines up.

Seems he used to be less anti-Semitic than he currently is. Not weird, given he's partially Jewish himself. Makes you wonder why he went even more extreme since then.

Interestingly, Boxy has always lumped Jews with whites. He was never anti-Semitic (on the Farms), which is hilarious, because the far right dislike Jews. Especially infiltrating their circles and bloodlines. This actually lines up.
 
Because, it not only mentions Emil going to college for Business Administration
Business Administration is probably the most generic business degree you can get. It effectively means nothing because most people want a specialist in business (Finance, Accounting, Management, Taxes, Marketing, etc), not a generalist unless you want to be a one man show which has its limits due to how broad business is as a major.

Also Boxy is not really anti-semitic, at least not as much as you'd think given...everything else he says. He I believe tends to argue that the jew blame is overblown and that feminism/women are the problem not jews, then he mentioned he was jewish himself which explains this perspective.

It has been awhile since I read his jew sperging, but I do remember Boxy being strangely jew positive given his political positions. Which makes his jew defense here make more sense and more probable to actually be him.
 
Business Administration is probably the most generic business degree you can get. It effectively means nothing because most people want a specialist in business (Finance, Accounting, Management, Taxes, Marketing, etc), not a generalist unless you want to be a one man show which has its limits due to how broad business is as a major.
This is why I'm instantly suspicious of "business majors." WHAT business? They're all very different, and anything that applies to all types of commercial enterprise in general is so obvious you shouldn't need to be told it. "Keep good records." "Pay your taxes." "Be courteous and professional." Neat.

If your business degree has no specialization, you might as well change it from a Bachelor of Arts to a BS.

It is possible he . . . just gravitated
Lol fat
 
Did not see this posted, and found it entertaining.

"Emil Roytapel has been removed and will not be allowed back. No one in here gets to use slurs against people with intellectual deficits to feel bigger."

Class of 08 at Newport Harbor High School, Orange County, which I believe lines up with his statements about not entering higher education for a period after HS graduation.
 
I get fat if I eat a standard American or bro diet. That's why I had to get onto a keto diet. You needed to read better.

Well, sure. Your body isn't designed for an American diet, you're perfectly adapted by your genetics to thrive on a diet of beets and an occasional potato in any number of third-world slavic shitholes.

Anyhoo, with that out of the way, is Boxy going to come back and defend his honor? Or DFE and pretend he ain't Emil?
 
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This is why I'm instantly suspicious of "business majors." WHAT business? They're all very different, and anything that applies to all types of commercial enterprise in general is so obvious you shouldn't need to be told it. "Keep good records." "Pay your taxes." "Be courteous and professional." Neat.

If your business degree has no specialization, you might as well change it from a Bachelor of Arts to a BS.
In my experience Business majors pick "Business Administration" because can't they pick shit or their school sucks and doesn't have the classes for a specialized field, and they might just transfer to something later once they've seen the baseline courses before they get to more specific studies usually around the 3rd or 4th year of their BA. On a serious level that level of generic doesn't matter because they tend to lack those specialized skills like actually knowing how to read accounting records, or interpret complicated and convoluted tax law, or really know how to sell people shit, or know logistical theory like just-in-time delivery shit.

Better then some shit my school tried to sell as some "experimental" degree where all you effectively do is project and presentation work and the idea was you learned "practical skills" doing this. One of my accounting teachers (some 60+ year old who actually unboomered himself out of technology to become an Excel wizard) basically said "Yeah the school says this degree is good, but come on, you and I both know it isn't." to the entire class and it was great. I actually got one of these experimental degree majors in a big group project and they were fucking useless besides during the presentation phase, even their business reports were fucking shit because they didn't understand the definitions for the concepts we were to employing.

Business people have a good idea to get into business school (if you want to go to a college specifically), but some are extremely lazy and do fuck all legwork to understand what they are getting themselves into. Considering Boxy's drive in the face of the nigger feminism liberal wave that will ruin America is doing fuck all but rewriting manifestos every time Fox News gets a hot scoop, I doubt he did much legwork if any.
 
In my experience Business majors pick "Business Administration" because can't they pick shit or their school sucks and doesn't have the classes for a specialized field, and they might just transfer to something later once they've seen the baseline courses before they get to more specific studies usually around the 3rd or 4th year of their BA. On a serious level that level of generic doesn't matter because they tend to lack those specialized skills like actually knowing how to read accounting records, or interpret complicated and convoluted tax law, or really know how to sell people shit, or know logistical theory like just-in-time delivery shit.

Better then some shit my school tried to sell as some "experimental" degree where all you effectively do is project and presentation work and the idea was you learned "practical skills" doing this. One of my accounting teachers (some 60+ year old who actually unboomered himself out of technology to become an Excel wizard) basically said "Yeah the school says this degree is good, but come on, you and I both know it isn't." to the entire class and it was great. I actually got one of these experimental degree majors in a big group project and they were fucking useless besides during the presentation phase, even their business reports were fucking shit because they didn't understand the definitions for the concepts we were to employing.

Business people have a good idea to get into business school (if you want to go to a college specifically), but some are extremely lazy and do fuck all legwork to understand what they are getting themselves into. Considering Boxy's drive in the face of the nigger feminism liberal wave that will ruin America is doing fuck all but rewriting manifestos every time Fox News gets a hot scoop, I doubt he did much legwork if any.
I'm not shitting on all business degrees by any means. I'm just saying people like boxy give the whole field a bad name.
 
On Race

I was supposed to have a debate on Politically Provoked against Norvin but he didn't show so Britney had me debate her regular wignats.
She took down the stream because I made her wignats look bad. She is a biased but that's a different topic.
I told them, "It's not the Jews who are replacing you, it's your own capitalist elites like Bill Gates and Jeff Bazos" and they refused to believe the me.
In their minds ALL whites are good and pure and wholesome and it's only because of Jewish Influence that all our existing problems are occurring.
According to wignats, if we expel the Jew and destroy Israel, all our problems will be solved.

But I saw the truth. These corporations and investors do international business. They view nationalism/borders as a problem.
To some degree they're correct. You can maximize GDP by importing the entire world into your nation and there are foreigners who are competent.
Open borders and diversity is a natural result of worshipping Capitalism, which was the 20th century western paradigm, and we're dealing with the fallout today.
But there are huge consequences: white fight, feeling like a foreigner in your own nation, racial crime and eventually you run out of people to import.
So I told the wignats, we need a referendum on diversity. Should white people become a minority or not?
They mocked me, "that's right goyim, vote to exist" but this is completely correct. Right now most white people don't value existing.

Everyone who has entered WN 2.0 (since 2015) has done so because they saw white people being attacked or mistreated by the left.
These are real grievances and real worries and rather than give people the tools they need to understand the world and change their core values, they blast them with JQ talking points.
If these ideas didn't work for David Duke 20-30 years ago, why would they work now?
Because their ideas don't work, they self ghettoize and become more and more toxic.
Naming the Jew isn't enough, now you have to post memes that show strangling the happy merchant meme.
It's too toxic and eventually they start doing IRL synagogue shootings.

So, if you're serious about WN today in 2022, you need to make a few choices: 1) Do you agree with the wignats' strategy? 2) Do you want to enable their toxicity?
My stance is no.
There are people who agree with them on Jewish Influence but are still anti-racist/anti-nationalist like Ryan Dawson.
There are other people who disagree with them on JQ like Brett Stevens and Jared Taylor.
So this is a huge point of contention and it affects your overall strategy.

As I said, we need a referendum on diversity/anti-racism. 2/4yr electrical politics don't work to address these massive social issues.
Both sides need to advocate their vision to the general public and people need to pick their fate.
One huge problem with democracy is people don't want to accept the consequences of their actions. They want to have their cake and eat it too or virtue signal NIMBY.
The biggest obstacle is the moderate normie who admits there are racial hardships but thinks we can overcome them because he doesn't want to hurt the feelings of non whites.
I totally get that but these people must make a tough decisions about the fate of their nation and we can't proceed forward until everyone is on the same page and 1 side accepts defeat.
The hardest task is getting these people to listen, people like many of you to be honest, and the JQ talking points do nothing to overcome this obstacle.

On Sex

I attended many recruitment events and every firm bragged about their female representation and I didn't think anything of it.
But then I attended an off-campus event with older women in their 30s and 40s.
One women said, "Women, if you want to get married and have kids do it now!"
Another women said that she lived the life, had a prestigious finance job in London, and left it because it was too much stress and the entire crowd started laughing in agreement.
Inversely, I heard a man say that his job was very stressful but he kept working and people understood.
So I realized that men and women aren't equal. There are serious difference between the sexes and these corporations were never going to get the female representation they wanted.
Even if these corporations could get the representation in entry level jobs, the high stress would prevent most women from climbing the corporate ladder.
Worse yet, there are serious consequences for their policies or norms which is that they increase the rate of single women and destroy the birthrate.

It all starts at the pre-teen "cuties" age.
What are you telling these kids who are entering puberty?
Are you telling the women to get laid, get an education and get a career or are you telling them to get married and start a family?
The feminists got what they wanted, they destroyed 2 gender norms as sexist.
Almost all women are put on the education -> employment pipeline and the ones who get married young (i.e. before mid 20s), are shammed for getting married "too young."
We have a system where women in their 20s need to realize that everything they were taught from pre-teen to teen was wrong and they need to prioritize getting married and starting a family.
For some people this works but it doesn't work for all people and we have the proof, record high single women rate, record high marriage age.
So in my opinion these social policies are child abuse.

With regards to age of consent.
Clearly the old system was more sustainable.
"12 yr old = legal, go find yourself a husband."
Age marriage age used to be 21, iirc, so if someone got married at 15, someone else got married at 27.
Today the average marriage age is 32 in USA, and still rising???
Women are throwing away almost all their fertility.
The left's solution is fertility treatment and paid daycare so other people can raise your kids.
This is clearly insane and unsustainable.
Unfortunately the old system had drawbacks: 1) there was a pressure for women to get married. 2) they couldn't support themselves financially.
But overall it was much sustainable then our present system because it was optimized for families rather than individuals.

Conclusion

Just like our racial policies aren't sustainable and result in the destruction, soo too are these sexual policies.
You can't build a society based on religions like equality and arbitrary rules like 18.
You have to build society around human biology and monitor the consequences of social policies (e.g. birthrate, iq rate, etc).
When people in the future look back at us today, this is exactly what they will think.
They'll think we were naïve and foolish. We thought that we could ignore biology and build society on wishful thinking like equality and most people made excuses for the status quo.

I'm surprised this thread got 575 pages. If you've read this far then you know where I stand on the issues and either you agree with me or disagree with me and there isn't much more for me to say.
I will say that these views were historically normal all the way until the Civil War when enlightenment values like equality were normalized and massive immigration began.
The era in which we lived (post ww2, post civil rights, 1965 immigration act), was not the norm for all human history like we assumed but a passing phase and that era ended around 2015/2016.
Now it's up to us to determine our future.

Anyways, thanks you taking the time to speak with me and listen to my thoughts. I definitely improved my debate skills by arguing with you guys.
There isn't much more for me to say but if you have serious questions, I'll answer them.
 
I think Boxy lost the debate, he's just fucking off after getting doxed and completely deflects from it by talking about the same shit he's said for almost 600 pages.
Then let this thread die.
The reason it's almost 600 pages is because you know that in your hearts I haven't lost the debate and you keep coming back to hear the same repetitive talking points.
I've been here long enough to see that you're all virtue signaling to each other for social approval rather than address real social issues.
 
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