Culture I tried to introduce Marvel movies to a newbie — and it was a disaster - The MCU might be too overwhelming for newcomers

Tom's Guide (Archive) - January 16, 2022
by, Rory Mellon

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Last week my partner finally said those three little words I’ve waited our whole relationship to hear: “let’s watch Spider-Man.” I’ve been trying and failing to convince her to watch Marvel movies for more than four years, but even she couldn’t help but get swept up in the hype surrounding Spider-Man: No Way Home.

Now, of course, you don’t start a trilogy at the endpoint. Especially not a trilogy as immensely watchable as Tom Holland's Spider-Man run, and we really need a good shorthand name for his trilogy (Editor's Note: The Home Trilogy?).

Naturally, I proposed that we begin with Spider-Man: Homecoming and to my great delight she agreed to give the film a shot. However, what started as a cause for celebration has quickly descended into a frustrating first hand experience of just how inaccessible the Marvel Cinematic Universe can be for newcomers. Even worse, I can tell this potentially disastrous flaw is only going to get worse with time.

Spider-Man's first movie isn't his first MCU outing​

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Before watching Spider-Man: Homecoming, my partner had exactly zero previous exposure to the MCU. Sure, she was aware of some of the characters like Iron Man and Captain America but she’d never watch even a single film within the inter-connected MCU series.

While Spider-Man: Homecoming may not be the most natural jumping-in point, it’s the 16th MCU film by release order, my partner specifically wanted to watch Spider-Man for a few reasons. Even her own friends were talking about No Way Home, she’s aware that the web-head is my personal favorite superhero and (probably primarily), she has a crush on Tom Holland.

Going in, I felt pretty confident that Homecoming would work fairly well as an MCU entry point. Granted, I did have to lay some groundwork before watching. The film’s opening is set during Captain America: Civil War and there are quite a lot of references to the Avengers, not to mention multiple appearances from Iron Man himself Tony Stark. However, after a few minutes of pre-amble, I felt confident pressing play.

I’m happy to report that watching Homecoming went smoothly. Sure, there were a few in-jokes and references that definitely went over her head, but she watched the whole thing through with a smile on her face. I call that a success. However, the real problem surfaced when she asked about watching Spider-Man: Far From Home next.

Marvel movies get too complicated too quickly​

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Anyone who’s seen Spider-Man: Far From Home knows that it is heavily tied to the events of Avengers: Endgame. The death of Tony Stark weighs heavily on Peter Parker, and the responsibility of filling his metallic boots is a task he grapples with throughout the movie. Oh, and Nick Fury and Maria Hill show up too.

In short, Far From Home may be the sequel to Homecoming, but it definitely assumes viewers are familiar with more than just Tom Holland’s first solo outing as Spider-Man. The problem was obvious, the odds of my partner enjoying Far From Home seemed small to me considering the whole emotional crux of the movie would be lost on her.

I considered suggesting that we watch Avengers: Endgame first. Then I realized that doesn't work without watching Avengers: Infinity War first. But neither seemed like a good place to start either as she has no familiarity with any of the characters beyond Spider-Man, and wouldn’t even have the first idea what an Infinity Stone is. Infinity War and Endgame are all pay-off, for which build-up is required.

To really understand, and not be completely confused, the most recent Avengers films you probably need to go back to phase two of the MCU, and potentially even the first Avengers movie if not even earlier. I was able to successfully pitch watching Homecoming, but the idea of convincing her to watch a dozen or so movies just so she could fully enjoy Far From Home was essentially a non-starter.

The MCU has an onboarding problem​

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As it stands, the MCU is comprised of 27 films and four Disney Plus series. That’s a borderline inaccessible amount of content to consume for a newcomer. By the time someone has worked their work through all of that, another half a dozen films and series will probably have been released.

For people like myself, who were an appropriate age to watch the very first Iron Man film in theaters, and have watched each entry in the MCU as they’ve been released, it’s not an issue. I’ve never really had to worry about catching up or staying up to date. For a newbie that’s a major concern.

There’s also the problem that some of the MCU isn’t really worth watching in hindsight. The likes of Iron Man 2, Thor: The Dark World, Avengers: Age of Ultron, Eternals and The Falcon and The Winter Solider can be all painfully average at best and not especially worth your time. Our guide for how to watch Marvel movies in order does a good job of spelling out which you need to watch.

However, each of them contains important story beats and character developments that are critical to enjoying the best of the MCU. The excellent Thor: Ragnarok isn’t as enjoyable without first seeing the setup in The Dark World, Avengers: Age of Ultron introduces Vision, a main character in the brilliant WandaVision series, Eternals and the Celestials are sure to be significant in the future of the MCU etc.

Each MCU misfire still has elements that are critical to the bigger picture which makes skipping them ill-advised. If you're trying to onboard a newbie to the Marvel Universe it's hard to advise anything but to start from the very beginning.

Is Phase 4 of the MCU too obstuse to newcomers?​

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The MCU is so closely stitched together at this point, that consuming components piecemeal is essentially impossible, or at the very least it’s extremely unwise. I’m not necessarily complaining about that fact, a significant part of the reason I’m so invested in the MCU is that each new piece feels important either immediately or in the future, but it’s created an overwhelming amount of content for newbies.

I do appreciate that Disney seems at the very least aware of this issue. The recap series Marvel Studios Legends appears to be designed to fix the problem. Of course, short Disney Plus episodes highlighting a character's backstory and essential plot beats are an imperfect solution, but at least it’s something.

For now, I’m still grappling with how to solve my Spider-Man: Far From Home conundrum. Perhaps, I’m better just trying to convince my partner to watch Spider-Man: Into the Spiderverse instead. At least with that film, I won’t need to give her a mini-lecture before watching in order to catch her up on everything she’s missed.
 
I dunno, I went to see whichever movie had Thanos in it with a friend of mine, and the only other Marvel movies I’d seen were the first 2 Toby MacGuire Spider Mans, and I managed to follow the majority of what was going on.

Sure, I didn’t get every point or joke, and I hated those Guardians of the Galaxy people, but I was able to follow the key points.
 
As it stands, the MCU is comprised of 27 films and four Disney Plus series. That’s a borderline inaccessible amount of content to consume for a newcomer. By the time someone has worked their work through all of that, another half a dozen films and series will probably have been released.
Yes, that’s generally the basis of most people’s problems with consoomer culture.
 
BS. I've watched some MCU movies without watching the whole thing and I did fine. Maybe has to do with me not being a retarded millennial or the girl simply isn't into the movies and she doesn't care enough to make an effort.

You can understand the movies on their own, you'd be missing a few details but it's not a big deal. The author probably wants to sperg about every little plot and as she doesn't know them, he thinks she's missing much. Or the guy is unable to sum up plot points.
 
It's much more likely that the fad is ending, and this person never gave a fuck about hte fad in the first place.

As someone who was a diehard Marvel fan for 20 years, I absolutely cannot stand any of the shit anymore. Maybe I grew up or just got burned out or whatever, but the whole fucking "culture" of capeshit is cringe as fuck to me now. It's not even being a hipster about it, I don't even care for the old shit anymore either and I honestly wonder what broke me out of the autistic spell I was under to care about it until I was 25.
 
It's much more likely that the fad is ending, and this person never gave a fuck about hte fad in the first place.

As someone who was a diehard Marvel fan for 20 years, I absolutely cannot stand any of the shit anymore. Maybe I grew up or just got burned out or whatever, but the whole fucking "culture" of capeshit is cringe as fuck to me now. It's not even being a hipster about it, I don't even care for the old shit anymore either and I honestly wonder what broke me out of the autistic spell I was under to care about it until I was 25.
I think you just grew up.
 
Why would you ever want to re-watch an MCU movie? I already feel like each new one is the same as the last one, just with different characters.

Also echoing comments about calling your girlfriend/wife your "partner". These people either are fags, wish they were fags, spend too much time with fags, don't want to offend fags, or write like fags. In all cases, they should kill themselves. If you're too much of a pussy to propose, you get to call her your girlfriend and that's it; you don't get to split the difference and pretend like you're "the same" as a married couple if you haven't stood before your family, your friends and God and publicly made that promise to one another. You are not the same as a married couple, you are little millennial roaches living in a pod playing house.

Our only hope is that the jews writing this shit drink their own koolaid, fail to breed, and extinct themselves.
 
Naturally, I proposed that we begin with Spider-Man: Homecoming and to my great delight she agreed to give the film a shot. However, what started as a cause for celebration has quickly descended into a frustrating first hand experience of just how inaccessible the Marvel Cinematic Universe can be for newcomers

This shit right here has some kernels of truth to it, but it's definitely more on an individual-by-individual basis. I haven't watched anything of the MCU but I went to go see Homecoming because it's Spider-Man, and silly me I thought it wouldn't have been part of the MCU. To my dismay, it actually was, but that wasn't the real reason I hated Homecoming. I hated it because modern Peter Parker is too much of a Zoomer for me. He's also annoying and not a good Peter Parker (not in that film), he literally had just about everything handed to him, and all he did was bug Iron Man for a while. Like really? I know he's a high schooler, but he's way too childish, and Uncle Ben's death never changed that for this incarnation of Peter.

I get why people like Homecoming, but the further the movie went on, the more I realized that modern (i.e. 2010s) superhero movies really weren't for me, if only because these screenwriters/directors think they're reinventing the wheel when it comes to them, but also the all-American values that many of them embodied are no longer present in this day-in-age. I never saw the Sony Spider-Man films, but I'm sure I'd enjoy them much better than anything of the MCU. I'll still stick to the Sam Raimi films, however.

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The dude btw. Looks like a poser who's never read a comic book in his life. Explains why he spent four years trying to make his girlfriend watch them because he doesn't look interesting otherwise.
 

The MCU has an onboarding problem​

Just like Family Guy, imagine trying to watch Stewie and Brian's antics without encyclopedic knowledge of Diff'rent Strokes and Star Trek lore.

This shit right here has some kernels of truth to it, but it's definitely more on an individual-by-individual basis. I haven't watched anything of the MCU but I went to go see Homecoming because it's Spider-Man, and silly me I thought it wouldn't have been part of the MCU. To my dismay, it actually was, but that wasn't the real reason I hated Homecoming. I hated it because modern Peter Parker is too much of a Zoomer for me. He's also annoying and not a good Peter Parker (not in that film), he literally had just about everything handed to him, and all he did was bug Iron Man for a while. Like really? I know he's a high schooler, but he's way too childish, and Uncle Ben's death never changed that for this incarnation of Peter.

I get why people like Homecoming, but the further the movie went on, the more I realized that modern (i.e. 2010s) superhero movies really weren't for me, if only because these screenwriters/directors think they're reinventing the wheel when it comes to them, but also the all-American values that many of them embodied are no longer present in this day-in-age. I never saw the Sony Spider-Man films, but I'm sure I'd enjoy them much better than anything of the MCU. I'll still stick to the Sam Raimi films, however.

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The dude btw. Looks like a poser who's never read a comic book in his life. Explains why he spent four years trying to make his girlfriend watch them because he doesn't look interesting otherwise.

You'd like the newest one, because it takes the stars of all three Spider-Man franchises and puts them together. Toby MacGuire coming back and mentoring the new zoomer spiderman is great, along with Doc Oc(Alfred Molina) coming back and having a great amount of screentime along with the original Raimi Goblin, Willem Dafoe.

It's been a month, fuck spoilers now
 
Anyone thinking Marvel movies are complicated is a fucking water-head.

Here's a good guy/girl/team; here's a bad guy/girl/team; they're gonna fight, and we want the good side to win. Movies aren't that complicated, they need to be a self-contained story, otherwise it's a shit movie. You may get more out of it if you watch all the other ones, but you should be able to go to just about any movie and enjoy it for what's in it; I understand the ones with part 2 and shit appended to them are an exception.
 
You'd like the newest one, because it takes the stars of all three Spider-Man franchises and puts them together. Toby MacGuire coming back and mentoring the new zoomer spiderman is great, along with Doc Oc(Alfred Molina) coming back and having a great amount of screentime along with the original Raimi Goblin, Willem Dafoe.

It's been a month, fuck spoilers now
Meh, even with the mentoring angle, it just comes off as nostalgia-baiting while also taking advantage of the fact Spider-Man has a literal Spiderverse meaning they can shove in all the references they want because someone, somewhere out there will clap at it.

I've been told it's the non-wokest film of the MCU to date, but I just don't care enough for it.
 
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