Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

This is a thing I long wanted to ask, since I don't live at the West and have no idea of pricing. Let's say a pre-troon lives in the USA. He is at crossroads, bein mindly aware that something with his self-perception is deeply wrong. So he has two ways: "a way of troon" is to start hormones and get himself SRS, or perchaps he could go "a way of sanity" and go to the psychiatrist. What would cost him more moneywise? Full circle psychiatric treatment or chopping his dick?
The short answer is it really depends on the specific insurance.

The long answer is that the floor for trooning out is lower but the ceiling is higher: it could be as little as a few thousand dollars or it could exceed a quarter of a million dollars.
Mental-health coverage is very expensive (over $100 for a 1-hour session) and there is an understanding that unless you come to a therapist with a specific, narrow problem like grief over a family member you will be seeing him/her routinely for an extended time. So monthly sessions will likely cost over $1,000/year while weekly ones can exceed $4,000/year. Inpatient stays can cost $10,000 a week and are not even that helpful - the doctors make sure the patients do not kill themselves but do not provide intensive treatment to make sure they can handle life after discharge. I have friends who really, truly struggled with depression and anxiety but realized going to the looney bin would not help because it was not designed for them. I feel awful because they're good people, they work hard, and they care for others but none of that changes the fact that they are miserable with no way to get the help they need. I know I can be snarky and abrasive on here but these people bring out my softer side.

Insurance also generally provides poor or no coverage for mental health treatment - they will say it is not covered and not even make a token contribution towards the bill (this is also the basis for most horror stories about American healthcare costs, mental health or otherwise). Then there is always the possibility that the therapist or psychiatrist is just not a good fit which forces the patient to find a new doctor, hope s/he is taking patients, then hope s/he is a better fit than the last one. This has been a long way of saying even baseline mental healthcare is fairly expensive and not guaranteed to work.

Coverage for trans surgeries on the other hand can range from "none" to "everything including surgery". Insurance covering SRS has less to do with getting the more expensive plan and more to do with the patient's specific employer - most Americans get insurance through their job so if the plans their company negotiated do not include trans healthcare they are out of luck. I know that the company I work for does not offer any trans coverage other than mastectomies for TiFs and I suspect that was because they already arranged to have it covered for women with breast cancer (so they were extending a benefit they already offered to a slightly larger customer base).

With this in mind trooning out on a plan with little to no trans coverage would easily cost six figures - TT Exulansic on YouTube has reviewed itemized lists of SRS billing and found they cost close to $200,000 between the doctors, nurses, anesthesiologist, OR booking, etc. By contrast a patient with a pro-trans healthcare plan would probably pay under $10,000 - the only costs would be a few visits with a therapist, infrequent endocrinologist or gender counselor visits for HRT, and costs associated with traveling to the SRS hospital & staying in a hotel during recovery (not sure why but this seems to be preferred over recovery in a hospital) .
 
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I mean true, but also don't forget that troons love to make up abuse claims. Especially the TIMs love to claim they've gone through all sorts of abuse thinking it affirms their femaleness. I don't doubt that gay men get abused too, but TIMs also love to claim they get catcalled all the time because they're women and that this is clearly proving they go through misogyny, when really if it happened at all it was probably just a guy shouting from a car at an ugly troon because he looked ridiculous.
That's my favorite claim. They're like almost always frat bros / mexicans / blacks shouting mocking shit at trannies from cars. The guys are joking at the trannies expense, but they never realize that.
Because they're going to be lifelong medical patients. It's really that simple.
That's bad for insurance companies though.

Doctors are interested in pushing services to patients, both indisputably effective ones (curing people raises their reputation) as well as more dubious ones, because they can bill the insurance companies for expensive, unnecessary bullshit.

Insurance companies, on the other hand, are incentivized to pay for as few services as possible, either by finding reasons to exclude them as not medically necessary (not covered by the policy) or by finding genuine merit in them (because it might be cheaper to catch medical issues early). This is why insurance companies pay for free annual checkups; catching a tumor when it's small is cheaper compared to chemo.

This used to be a decent balance. Doctors push stuff, insurance companies push back, and the public achieves a reasonable balance between health and value delivered.

The federal government, however, puts its thumb on the scale in a few ways, considering Medicare, obamacare, VA services and especially federal grants.

I don't think federal regulations mandate covering tranny surgeries outright, but they at least have anti discrimination provisions that make it a question to ask. If an insurance company accepts federal grant money, they risk lawsuits if they don't cover tranny nonsense. Maybe meritless lawsuits, because it's an only an anti discrimination issue, but still something for them to consider. They might cover the surgeries out of expediency, hoping the number of trannies is too small to pose a serious risk.

(then state laws also come into play, I'm sure places like California require insurance plans for govt employees cover tranny stuff)
 
Insurance companies, on the other hand, are incentivized to pay for as few services as possible, either by finding reasons to exclude them as not medically necessary (not covered by the policy) or by finding genuine merit in them (because it might be cheaper to catch medical issues early). This is why insurance companies pay for free annual checkups; catching a tumor when it's small is cheaper compared to chemo.
And they do.
They CONSTANTLY turn down real life-saving, life affirming surgeries EVERY DAY: Breast reconstruction for cancer patients, Areola/nip reconstruction for cancer patients, hysterectomies for painful periods or periods that make you deathly ill each month, breast reduction for back pain and shoulder pain, back surgeries for back injuries... and many, MANY more!

THIS is where the insurance companies save. So they can mutilate and create lifelong dependent patients with troonzz. If anything, there should be serious lobbying on behalf of REAL medical patients, but nah...
 
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I was scrolling through twitter looking at posts about today's snowfall and I noticed a picture posted by someone named "Alyxia". I figured a name like that could only belong to a tranny, and lo and behold a wild stinkditch appeared:

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The guy vacillates wildly between claiming he's at death's door and claiming stinkditch installation is totes NBD.

On the psychological front, this dude is obsessed with the idea that his mom ruined his life, and like most trannies his fabricated life history that includes a desire to cut off his cock that was only thwarted because his mother abused him by acknowledging he's actually male. He claims to have attempted suicide twice so far

He also decided that, though he is a thrice married father of 3 whose third wife supports him financially (incl showering him with clothes and jewelry, and financing his career as an "inventor" by buy him a 3D printer) his mother should allow him to move in with her in order to cater to him after he cut his dick off.
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The text message she sent that proves she's an abuser:
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His mom also apparently is responsible for his second divorce.

I actually feel a little sorry for the fat cat lady he married, from what I gather she had been alone since 2013 when her previous fiance killed himself. 7 years of grief and loneliness means she'll never pull herself out of the tranny enabling game.

The gofundme was worth a chuckle as well:
is this mf trying to cancel and sic twitter on his fucking parents?

also check- so his ma and pa surname is Simm- yet his surname is Starling… hmm, wonder which troonspirational franchise he plucked that one from.

incidentally was in the ER tonight, and there are “no phones/cameras” stickers about all over the place now.
ambulance guys were like “yeah we get our Return Customers and they are always straight on the video smh we tend to not offer em the good stuff, it’s a pretty handy clue”

after facing the possibility of horrible emergency spinal surgery tonight, and the relief that I don’t have to do it tonight or have such a significant one*- the idea that anyone goes in for this willingly, or that it’s even fucking allowed, is messed up as fuck.

but again, some people love being in hospital, being ‘center of attention’ and clearly aim to be there and in this scenario as much as possible- i’ve got a feeling a lot of them were hypochondriacs or chronic ambulance-dialers before trooning.
There’s a thing with mentally ill people doing that in UK and it’s huge strain on the health service, i guess in america they kinda woudlnt be able to play those kind of games so easily or cheaply, but this gives them the perfect opportunity to become a little self styled Gypsy Rose.

I wonder if socialised medical care countries would even offer it, had a standard not already been set before soc medical systems came into being, and kept current by private systems like america.
i feel like the answer would be No.
Would that it were.

*super irony : the reason it was being investigated as an emergency, is cos failure to act risks chronic incontinence: thats literally the reverse risk of acting in GRS situation- and it seems to be something crazy like 90% of Aidens particularly, have at least some urinary complications straight off the table- and its impossible to say wether thats just teething pains as the floodgates opened so recently, as well as the fact these op's wont age well either .

I think enough surgeries probably havent been done in soc med countries to find out what the percentage of these risks are - the NHS sneakily just stopped doing them a year or two back- which is fucked as they literally left a bunch of A's half done, which is cruelly negligent, no matter what you think of the actual base situ: the screeching halt in contracting could just be symptom of our utterly incompetent government- but you've got to wonder if there's been some startling data starting to compile about the severity of likelihood of the risks.

@Marvin aye but surely it means that they can put everyone elses premiums up though right?
i dont have a clue about yank healthcare so likely totally wrong, but there's got to be some reason.
unless they just totally pozzed by Stonewallesque 'consultancy' companies and think everyone would reel at the transphobia if they didnt..but somehow i doubt it. there's always a bottom line...always lower and in a deeper section of hell then you ever could have imagined
 
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Amazing just how little anyone gives a shit about these troons. Obviously that painful bowel movement after his "repair" damaged the surgical site and destroyed whatever repair work was done. You’d think the surgeon would have foreseen that and would have taken steps like a stool softener, or something more drastic (I’m not sure what, but anything other than “send you home with opioid painkillers that constipate you”). Now he’s had one failed repair, which already lowers the odds of the next one working. Pure neglect/indifference, or a plan to make more money off him in the future?

This same guy also posted right before his surgery saying he had some doubts about GRS, but everyone in the community convinced him to keep going.

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These communities are dangerous and encourage self-harm, but instead of being shut down they’re being celebrated.
"I'm scared of dilation"
God these people are fucking idiots.
 
Honestly? You have to think about it like an actuary and not a doctor. Any sterilization of a woman negates a possible insurance payout related to birth or most reproductive cancers. For men, same except related only to reproductive cancers and not birth (obviously). Now the cynical part of me thinks that insurance companies bet on troons killing themselves after GRS, thus ending their policies and negating the possibility of future payouts. The priorities and motivations for insurance companies are wildly different than pharmaceutical companies, so it’s unproductive to think of them in the same way.

It's not this deep or cynical. It's just a mix of the decisionmakers at insurers being liberals with a vague ideological sympathy with troonism, and then pressure from trans medical activist groups and their standards of "care" that insist you're literally killing troons unless you pay for their amholes, bolt-on tits, facial disfigurements etc.
 
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after facing the possibility of horrible emergency spinal surgery tonight, and the relief that I don’t have to do it tonight or have such a significant one*- the idea that anyone goes in for this willingly, or that it’s even fucking allowed, is messed up as fuck.
Well wishes to you fam, spine issues are no joke. On a related note it's telling how many of these victims have actually never been in a hospital for serious reasons before - they have no perspective and it shows. I've seen FtMs talk about being terrified of getting their wisdom teeth removed and yet in the same day boast about scheduling their mastectomy/phalloplasty. This shit is being marketed so deliberately through social media it's been completely sanitized and romanticized to the point that I doubt any young person getting these procedures done is anywhere near the level of "informed consent" they supposedly require.
 
Amazing just how little anyone gives a shit about these troons. Obviously that painful bowel movement after his "repair" damaged the surgical site and destroyed whatever repair work was done. You’d think the surgeon would have foreseen that and would have taken steps like a stool softener, or something more drastic (I’m not sure what, but anything other than “send you home with opioid painkillers that constipate you”). Now he’s had one failed repair, which already lowers the odds of the next one working. Pure neglect/indifference, or a plan to make more money off him in the future?

This same guy also posted right before his surgery saying he had some doubts about GRS, but everyone in the community convinced him to keep going.

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These communities are dangerous and encourage self-harm, but instead of being shut down they’re being celebrated.

That was the subconscious survival instinct and a tiny flicker of reality trying to seep in at the last second. So sad.
 
I was scrolling through twitter looking at posts about today's snowfall and I noticed a picture posted by someone named "Alyxia". I figured a name like that could only belong to a tranny, and lo and behold a wild stinkditch appeared:

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The guy vacillates wildly between claiming he's at death's door and claiming stinkditch installation is totes NBD.

On the psychological front, this dude is obsessed with the idea that his mom ruined his life, and like most trannies his fabricated life history that includes a desire to cut off his cock that was only thwarted because his mother abused him by acknowledging he's actually male. He claims to have attempted suicide twice so far

He also decided that, though he is a thrice married father of 3 whose third wife supports him financially (incl showering him with clothes and jewelry, and financing his career as an "inventor" by buy him a 3D printer) his mother should allow him to move in with her in order to cater to him after he cut his dick off.
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The text message she sent that proves she's an abuser:
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His mom also apparently is responsible for his second divorce.

I actually feel a little sorry for the fat cat lady he married, from what I gather she had been alone since 2013 when her previous fiance killed himself. 7 years of grief and loneliness means she'll never pull herself out of the tranny enabling game.

The gofundme was worth a chuckle as well:
He might have cut off his dick, but he'll always be 100% pure prick. This is one of the worst trans widow maker narcs I've seen so far, he makes Dani and Bryli look positively pleasant!

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On a related note it's telling how many of these victims have actually never been in a hospital for serious reasons before - they have no perspective and it shows. I've seen FtMs talk about being terrified of getting their wisdom teeth removed and yet in the same day boast about scheduling their mastectomy/phalloplasty. This shit is being marketed so deliberately through social media it's been completely sanitized and romanticized to the point that I doubt any young person getting these procedures done is anywhere near the level of "informed consent" they supposedly require.

I think this is 100% correct (and I’m sure I’ve complained about it before). It’s not just lack of prior health problems, it’s youth as well. Even if you’ve always been in perfect health, by age 30 you are already starting to get that “my body cannot recover easily if I treat it like shit anymore” feeling sinking in. And by that age, chances are that you’ve had some sort of minor injury that gave you issues for longer than you thought it would. Enough to teach you that you're not immortal after all, which seems to be a lesson that people have to learn themselves.

But if you’re within a group of people that is almost entirely under 25 and doesn’t listen to anyone else, and treats any “negativity” about medical procedures as hateful bigotry? You will absorb nothing but those “my body can do anything, the possibilities are endless, nothing can go wrong!” messages.

I get the feeling that these people have also marinated in a lot of pop culture (anime is particularly bad for this) in which injury or ‘things going wrong with the body’ is always portrayed as a character lying in a hospital bed with some bandages on, and then fully recovering. Injury is presented as both temporary (if it's not leading up to a dramatic death scene) and glamorous.

No one in an anime or a superhero movie ever ends up with a colostomy bag or with brain damage from septic shock. They never show the protagonist pissing through a catheter or struggling through their 50th occupational therapy session or ashamedly calling for help after they took a shit and the toilet filled up with blood.

Of course, this wouldn’t be such an issue if these people had enough contact with the non-fictional world to realize how unrealistic fiction is, or the sense to listen to anybody.

(In fact, while looking for examples I discovered that "injured character in a hospital bed" manga scenes are so compelling and glamorous that some people borderline-fetishize them, see below)

 
I think this is 100% correct (and I’m sure I’ve complained about it before). It’s not just lack of prior health problems, it’s youth as well. Even if you’ve always been in perfect health, by age 30 you are already starting to get that “my body cannot recover easily if I treat it like shit anymore” feeling sinking in. And by that age, chances are that you’ve had some sort of minor injury that gave you issues for longer than you thought it would. Enough to teach you that you're not immortal after all, which seems to be a lesson that people have to learn themselves.

But if you’re within a group of people that is almost entirely under 25 and doesn’t listen to anyone else, and treats any “negativity” about medical procedures as hateful bigotry? You will absorb nothing but those “my body can do anything, the possibilities are endless, nothing can go wrong!” messages.

I get the feeling that these people have also marinated in a lot of pop culture (anime is particularly bad for this) in which injury or ‘things going wrong with the body’ is always portrayed as a character lying in a hospital bed with some bandages on, and then fully recovering. Injury is presented as both temporary (if it's not leading up to a dramatic death scene) and glamorous.

No one in an anime or a superhero movie ever ends up with a colostomy bag or with brain damage from septic shock. They never show the protagonist pissing through a catheter or struggling through their 50th occupational therapy session or ashamedly calling for help after they took a shit and the toilet filled up with blood.

Of course, this wouldn’t be such an issue if these people had enough contact with the non-fictional world to realize how unrealistic fiction is, or the sense to listen to anybody.

(In fact, while looking for examples I discovered that "injured character in a hospital bed" manga scenes are so compelling and glamorous that some people borderline-fetishize them, see below)

I think you are spot on. Those manga scenes really take me back, except when I was reading them it was understood that this was fiction. And to add, a lot of hospital dramas and movies about dying/ill teenagers that have come out in the last decade do this too. If you have terminal cancer in those works you just turn pale and extra twee and cute, and maybe you faint dramatically (but you never pee/poop yourself!). Makes me miss shows like ER where the shittiness of being severely ill or injured was not completely hidden.

Honestly, it would be good if every teenager would be obliged to do a short hospital/nursing home rotation where they clean bedpans and dishes and make the beds on a ward with actual sick people. Might give them some perspective on stupid cosmetic surgeries.
 
I think you are spot on. Those manga scenes really take me back, except when I was reading them it was understood that this was fiction. And to add, a lot of hospital dramas and movies about dying/ill teenagers that have come out in the last decade do this too. If you have terminal cancer in those works you just turn pale and extra twee and cute, and maybe you faint dramatically (but you never pee/poop yourself!). Makes me miss shows like ER where the shittiness of being severely ill or injured was not completely hidden.

Honestly, it would be good if every teenager would be obliged to do a short hospital/nursing home rotation where they clean bedpans and dishes and make the beds on a ward with actual sick people. Might give them some perspective on stupid cosmetic surgeries.
The manga they SHOULD be reading...

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@Marvin aye but surely it means that they can put everyone elses premiums up though right?
i dont have a clue about yank healthcare so likely totally wrong, but there's got to be some reason.
unless they just totally pozzed by Stonewallesque 'consultancy' companies and think everyone would reel at the transphobia if they didnt..but somehow i doubt it. there's always a bottom line...always lower and in a deeper section of hell then you ever could have imagined
The premiums are decided by contract when you sign up, so I don't think they can go up arbitrarily. (but there might be provisions for increasing them? not sure)

However, yes, you are yoked in with a group when you sign up for healthcare, either through your employer or if you got insurance on your own. Even if just for the insurance company's internal accounting, they'll group people. Just as a matter of profitability, the insurance company will price things based on what risks/costs the group will incur the insurance company.

This was the controversy over pre-existing conditions a few years back. If the insurance company has a group of reasonably healthy people, they can insure them for fairly cheap, but if you've got a bunch of people with pre-existing, chronic conditions trying to sign up, that's going to be more expensive. The insurance company is going to want to put them in a separate group and price it appropriately. Obamacare outlawed that, and I can understand both sides of this.

I have a pre-existing condition (epilepsy), and it was a pain in the ass to find affordable insurance until Obamacare. (although my epilepsy is fairly well managed. I need a fairly cheap medication and an annual doctor's visit, but that's about it)

Though now when I shop for healthcare (in fact, I'm going to need to do that now, because I just changed jobs), I'm going to try to look for plans that don't cover tranny surgeries, because fuck subsidizing people's fetishes.

There might not be any available in my state though, because my state is gay enough to try to require insurance companies to cover that. Not sure though, we'll see.

Edit: well fuck me, seems like carefirst got sued here awhile ago and rolled over. I'm sure all the other insurance companies do the same.

Though this part doesn't sound correct:
A non-discrimination clause in the Affordable Care Act required the state to provide transgender patients with coverage for reassignment surgery and other medical care, said Shannon M. McMahon, the state's deputy secretary of health care financing.

The only relevant portion in the ACA (obamacare) is an extremely broad non-discrimination clause, but an insurance company could/should argue that these procedures are bullshit cosmetic procedures. But I guess that's a hard sell, considering how far the tranny lobby has their fist up the American Medical Association's ass.
 
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