11/13 Paris Terror Attacks

At least 18 are dead after a series of explosions and shootings. There have been at least 4 separate, but coordinated incidents.

CNN live stream:
http://go.cnn.com/?stream=cnn

CNN also just announced that there are also 60 hostages being held in a theater.

Update: More than 128 dead. We got a new rating. Basically, everything went fucky.
 
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On an unrelated note, there were apparently as many as 1,500 people inside the Bataclan that night since the concert was sold out.
The staff saved hundreds of lives by immediately opening emergency and enabling people to take refuge in staff areas and on the roof. If not for them, the death toll would've been even higher.

The staff definitely needs to be rewarded from their actions, then. They prevented the Bataclan from becoming a complete and utter bloodbath by not panicking and thinking on their feet. Plus, they must have known that if the terrorists caught them smuggling people out, the response would be swift and brutal. But they did it anyway.

I've also heard stories about citizens opening their homes to people stranded by the attack and people lining up, oftentimes spilling into the street, to donate blood. As much as it's easy to say that ISIS and terrorism make you lose your faith in humanity (and they kind of do, don't get me wrong), it's displays of human warmth, compassion, bravery, and selflessness like this that prove that the human race isn't doomed. During times of tragedy, some amazing things happen, and that really undermines the point the terrorists are trying to make.
 
Dabiq is the prophesized place where the infidels will be defeated and the second coming will occur so if obliterated by Europeans with WMDs then it will be evidence that al-baghdadi is not the madhi. That being said since when evidence is given against a belief it makes it stronger this might actually be an extremely stupid decision
Yeah, ISIS prophecy is pretty convenient. Part of it entails their army being reduced to potentially 5,000 before the end, so decimating their numbers would actually confirm that. They also believe they will fight 80 countries in Dabiq so the more nations join against them, the closer they believe they are to the end times which is their goal. I can't think of any way getting rid of Dabiq would do much unless its literally turned into a schism or something impossible to fight in.
 
There's a memorial that people have set up outside the French Embassy in D.C. I biked over there today and took some pictures.
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Yeah, ISIS prophecy is pretty convenient. Part of it entails their army being reduced to potentially 5,000 before the end, so decimating their numbers would actually confirm that. They also believe they will fight 80 countries in Dabiq so the more nations join against them, the closer they believe they are to the end times which is their goal. I can't think of any way getting rid of Dabiq would do much unless its literally turned into a schism or something impossible to fight in.
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Turning Dabiq into something like this with a nuclear bomb detonated near ground level in addition to fallout would make it impossible to fight in
That being said it will not affect the beliefs of fighters since humans do not rationally look at evidence and change out beliefs accordingly
 
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Turning Dabiq into something like this with a nuclear bomb detonated near ground level in addition to fallout would make it impossible to fight in
That being said it will not affect the beliefs of fighters since humans do not rationally look at evidence and change out beliefs accordingly

Also, civilian casualties? I think both sides have seen enough of those.
 
Also, civilian casualties? I think both sides have seen enough of those.
Dabiq is a small town. Even if the entire population were killed it would only kill about the amount of people killed in 9/11 or about 1/2 the number of civilians killed in the invasion of iraq, 1/24 the casualties of hiroshima
The reason to avoid nuking dabiq is that it won't work
 
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Even if the entire population were killed it would only kill about the amount of people killed in 9/11 or about 1/2 the number of civilians killed in the invasion of iraq

Just under 3000 people died in 9/11. 3000 is a big ass death toll.

Not only that, it'd stir up even more hatred for us in the Middle East, all but guaranteeing us another fruitless decade of war.
 
Just under 3000 people died in 9/11. 3000 is a big ass death toll.

Not only that, it'd stir up even more hatred for us in the Middle East, all but guaranteeing us another fruitless decade of war.
Maybe against ISIS supporters but I think the people ISIS are enslaving en masse and driving out of their homes might be okay with it. Every time we bomb the Middle East a worse problems seems to spring up, but it's honestly kind of hard to imagine something worse than ISIS.
 
Dabiq is a small town. Even if the entire population were killed it would only kill about the amount of people killed in 9/11 or about 1/2 the number of civilians killed in the invasion of iraq
The reason to avoid nuking dabiq is that it won't work

Hoping that ISIS just suddenly turns into kittens won't work either. Wait for them to get there for their mother of all battles and then do a Dresden on it.
 
Maybe against ISIS supporters but I think the people ISIS are enslaving en masse and driving out of their homes might be okay with it. Every time we bomb the Middle East a worse problems seems to spring up, but it's honestly kind of hard to imagine something worse than ISIS.

You seem to be missing the point. These people hate us because we keep marching in, killing the bad guys, oh, and a few thousand innocent civilians on the side, oopsie. Except we don't even say oopsie. We say all that carnage doesn't matter because we got the bad guys. What I'm saying is the more we do this, the more ISIS supporters we make. And we've been doing this sort of thing more or less continuously since Napoleon first landed at Abu Qir.

It's no wonder the poor sods* hate everything western.

* The people of the Middle East, I mean, not ISIS
 
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I'm curious: What do you guys think of the fact that some people are saying that it's wrong that we mourn the dead in France, but we did not show this kind of support for the people in Syria, Lebanon, Kenya, or Palestine? Because apparently it's only a tragedy when it's a predominantly white country? These same people are upset that Facebook has the option to change your profile picture to a French flag in support. They want to know why there wasn't an option when 67 people were murdered in a shopping mall in Kenya, or the countless in the war in Syria.

Note: These are NOT my views, I am just repeating what I've seen on Tumblr/Facebook/Twitter.
Personally, I think that people crying, "B-but think of the POCs!" when something horrible has happened and trying to spin it against white people somehow... I dunno. It's really shitty.
 
I'm curious: What do you guys think of the fact that some people are saying that it's wrong that we mourn the dead in France, but we did not show this kind of support for the people in Syria, Lebanon, Kenya, or Palestine? Because apparently it's only a tragedy when it's a predominantly white country? These same people are upset that Facebook has the option to change your profile picture to a French flag in support. They want to know why there wasn't an option when 67 people were murdered in a shopping mall in Kenya, or the countless in the war in Syria.

Note: These are NOT my views, I am just repeating what I've seen on Tumblr/Facebook/Twitter.
Personally, I think that people crying, "B-but think of the POCs!" when something horrible has happened and trying to spin it against white people somehow... I dunno. It's really shitty.

Humans tend to care about their own more than others. Basic human nature and survival instinct. The people complaining about this are just as guilty of it as everyone else.
 
I'm curious: What do you guys think of the fact that some people are saying that it's wrong that we mourn the dead in France, but we did not show this kind of support for the people in Syria, Lebanon, Kenya, or Palestine? Because apparently it's only a tragedy when it's a predominantly white country? These same people are upset that Facebook has the option to change your profile picture to a French flag in support. They want to know why there wasn't an option when 67 people were murdered in a shopping mall in Kenya, or the countless in the war in Syria.

Note: These are NOT my views, I am just repeating what I've seen on Tumblr/Facebook/Twitter.
Personally, I think that people crying, "B-but think of the POCs!" when something horrible has happened and trying to spin it against white people somehow... I dunno. It's really shitty.

On one hand, they do have a point. On the other, they're going about it in the most sanctimonious, offensive, and heavy-handed way possible.

People are murdered literally every single day in Middle Eastern and African countries. ISIS, Boko Haram, and other terrorist groups commit atrocities weekly. It's horrific and completely unacceptable. But... at the same time, us Westerners have become desensitized to it. So many places in Africa and the Middle East are complete shitholes so, in an awful way, we kind of expect things to happen there. It's not very shocking to hear that Boko Haram sent a suicide bomber to a busy marketplace and caused the deaths of 25 people, because it happens all the time.

But Paris is the heart of one of the most democratic, free, and peaceful countries in the world. Things like this don't happen in Paris. They happen in places like Kenya, Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine. So when 130 people are brutally murdered by jihadis in Paris, other Westerners tend to pay a lot of attention. Plus, they were murdered while enjoying the pleasures we take for granted in our safe, free societies everyday; when you hear about people being shot to death while eating at a cafe, attending a concert, or taking a walk, that tends to strike a nerve because we can immediately imagine what it must have been like.

Also, the incident in Lebanon had the misfortune of happening so soon before the Paris attacks. I'm sure it would have gotten more attention otherwise.

And like Raymond said, it's just human nature to sympathize with and support our own kind over others. The French- who share many of our cultural, religious, and political values- are easier for us to empathize with than people who live in societies that are completely foreign to us.
 
I'm curious: What do you guys think of the fact that some people are saying that it's wrong that we mourn the dead in France, but we did not show this kind of support for the people in Syria, Lebanon, Kenya, or Palestine? Because apparently it's only a tragedy when it's a predominantly white country? These same people are upset that Facebook has the option to change your profile picture to a French flag in support. They want to know why there wasn't an option when 67 people were murdered in a shopping mall in Kenya, or the countless in the war in Syria.

Note: These are NOT my views, I am just repeating what I've seen on Tumblr/Facebook/Twitter.
Personally, I think that people crying, "B-but think of the POCs!" when something horrible has happened and trying to spin it against white people somehow... I dunno. It's really shitty.

When someone wrote that we weren't paying attention to the other countries, I felt kinda bad. He was right. We should also being paying attention to Kenya, Palestine and Lebenon. They go through rough situations constantly. Tons of crazy things happened in just a short week, and some of them didn't even involve ISIS. No tragedy is above the other. Its just this hit a little closer to home.

then I looked at this persons hashtag and it said fuck Paris. You can't support what people are going through with ISIS and completely brush off what's happening in France. It turns out the only reason that some people even spoke about the other attacks was because they were butthurt that we stopped caring about someone smearing a shit swastika on the wall in Mizzou. They just wanted to hop on the Blm bandwagon and notes. Imo, that was more offensive. There's a way to make a point without being an insensitive prick.
 
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On one hand, they do have a point. On the other, they're going about it in the most sanctimonious, offensive, and heavy-handed way possible.

People are murdered literally every single day in Middle Eastern and African countries. ISIS, Boko Haram, and other terrorist groups commit atrocities weekly. It's horrific and completely unacceptable. But... at the same time, us Westerners have become desensitized to it. So many places in Africa and the Middle East are complete shitholes so, in an awful way, we kind of expect things to happen there. It's not very shocking to hear that Boko Haram sent a suicide bomber to a busy marketplace and caused the deaths of 25 people, because it happens all the time.

But Paris is the heart of one of the most democratic, free, and peaceful countries in the world. Things like this don't happen in Paris. They happen in places like Kenya, Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine. So when 130 people are brutally murdered by jihadis in Paris, other Westerners tend to pay a lot of attention. Plus, they were murdered while enjoying the pleasures we take for granted in our safe, free societies everyday; when you hear about people being shot to death while eating at a cafe, attending a concert, or taking a walk, that tends to strike a nerve because we can immediately imagine what it must have been like.

Also, the incident in Lebanon had the misfortune of happening so soon before the Paris attacks. I'm sure it would have gotten more attention otherwise.

And like Raymond said, it's just human nature to sympathize with and support our own kind over others. The French- who share many of our cultural, religious, and political values- are easier for us to empathize with than people who live in societies that are completely foreign to us.
This, so much this.

I'll also add that if a terrorist attack had happened in China, Korea, or Japan people would be showing the people of those countries the same level of support for the very reasons mentioned here. It is not the skin color that matters, people just relate more to people they know about it and terrorism is unexpected in those areas (ignoring the NK/SK conflict). It is a fair point, that the terrorist attacks in Lebanon are not given the attention it should, however the SJWs are once again missing the point and alienating people from the issue. You also can't expect people to show sympathy for a tragedy they are unaware of of and don't even have a connection to it. It sucks what happened in Lebanon and I hope the survivors can find the strength to move forward.
 
I'm curious: What do you guys think of the fact that some people are saying that it's wrong that we mourn the dead in France, but we did not show this kind of support for the people in Syria, Lebanon, Kenya, or Palestine? Because apparently it's only a tragedy when it's a predominantly white country? These same people are upset that Facebook has the option to change your profile picture to a French flag in support. They want to know why there wasn't an option when 67 people were murdered in a shopping mall in Kenya, or the countless in the war in Syria.

Note: These are NOT my views, I am just repeating what I've seen on Tumblr/Facebook/Twitter.
Personally, I think that people crying, "B-but think of the POCs!" when something horrible has happened and trying to spin it against white people somehow... I dunno. It's really shitty.
The whole thing's a sham. These are the same people who, when the side of civilization finally gets off their ass to kick the teeth in of the religious fascists, immediately come down against the side of civilization under the rational that we shouldn't get involved in other countries business just because they're conducting international acts of terrorism and war and imposing unspeakable evil on those within their borders.

There's no pleasing this crowd, so I've long since stopped caring even a fraction of a shit about their opinions, and I advise everyone else whose immediate response to violation at the hands of these monsters isn't "this is none of our concern" to do the same.
 
I completely agree with @Cosmos on the subject of french sympathy and how and why it overshadows other attacks. I will add that I have always felt France was a great ally to the United states. When I learned a second language in school, one of two options was French, which I choose. Many Americans choose to vacation in Paris. I have never been but I have enjoyed going to Quebic. French food is very popular. It may seem trivial, but it adds up.
I know that day to day life in France is very, very similar to my own. So when I hear about a concert being bombed in France, or a restaurant, I can see myself and my boyfriend in that concert or restaurant. I can't envision myself in Kenya and know little about it. It's selfish, but it's human nature.
Additionally, I wouldn't be surprised if ISIS was purposely instigating these racial questions between countries with their acts. I think it's important to examine this, and at the same time, we need to be united more than ever.
 
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