RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

Yeah honestly when it comes to FRWBY I just can't get over the whole Roman thing. And as someone with a lot of experience in multiple fanfiction scenes over the years, I admittedly get annoyed when you have people acting like they're so much better than the original creator and saying they can write something better. RWBY is a deeply flawed show but in the end you're still using and relying on an entire world that someone else created.
 
What the actual fuck? summary of his V5 alone there's a lot of problems I can see. So first off, WHY CAN'T THESE AUTISTS REMOVE TEAM JNR AND WRITE TEAM RWBY SO THEY'RE FUCKING INTERESTING AS MAIN PROTAGONISTS. IT'S NOT THAT FUCKING HARD, MONTY AND THE CREW ALREADY GAVE THEM THE GROUNDWORK ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS POLISH THE ROUGH EDGES. DO THESE PEOPLE EVEN LISTEN TO THEIR OWN VIDEOS? HEY MORONS PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH, CHARACTER BLOAT AND UNDERDEVELOPED MAIN PROTAGONISTS ARE A FEW OF THE SHOW'S MASSIVE THROBBING ISSUES AND YOUR REWRITE IS NAMED FIXING RWBY, SO FOR THE LOVE OF GOD FUCKING FIX IT.
Well, there's still V6 around if you wanna trim the roster. After that, THEN you can bitch about Team JNR sticking around.
You're telling me the sole reason why Vernal, and that background sleaze got ascended from extra was so the autist can add more drama to his clusterfuck of a rewrite? Why did he not just focus on Yang, Raven, and their family issues instead? Adding Vernal and the Sleaze don't serve anything relevant in the plot as as whole and only there to give mind-bogglingly convoluted drama. For fucks sake is he making a rewrite of an action web series or a South-American telenovela based on RWBY?
Celtic mentioned this on his response stream: Vernal was mostly because of RT REALLY wanting to have the "Raven is the Spring Maiden" twist happen. And they decided to develop Vernal to have her be a character that meant something and having her death mean something. As for the tribe, when you're building on what's basically a village of NPCs in Skyrim, pretty much anything can be seen as an improvement, even if it's just a small fraction apparaently. Also, Yang, Raven, and family issues I think ties into the tribe, especially since the end product is "Chasing after Raven for answers ain't worth it because Raven ultimately only cares about herself".

Why oh why in the nine circles of hell and Satan's unsightly anus did he thought that it's a great idea to even make ABRN and the Malachites relevant?
Well, I think he said the ABRN part was to show there were students at Haven when the main show had it be a freaking ghost town outside of Lionheart. As for the Malachites being relevant, I think you may have answered your own question.

or how Torchwick has to deal with working for Team RWBY now that he has a huge set of responsibilities shoved on him by Oz?
Isn't the show already doing that? I think that was the point of the final few scenes of his volume.
Why introduce Sleazebag and Vernal, when you can have Summer Rose, or Taiyang being the reason why Raven is a deadbeat?
Because Summer Rose and Team STRQ is a mystery box of hype, and Taiyang seems to be the one normal guy of Team STRQ, and seems content with his little life on Patch. Even the V5 stinger shows that he's not to thrilled about Raven coming around.

Why did he keep fucking Salem?
I'll just say the main show it's because they got the voice of Cortana to be their main villain, and damn it, THEY WILL USE HER!

Why did he decide to keep her and her coven? Why not just shove the redeeming parts of Salem's character into the literal nothing character that is Cinder and then salvage whoever he wanted in her coven? One of the main issues of the protagonists in the show also applies to the BBEGs, trimming them will be a MASSIVE relief in the writing department on the long run.
I'm assuming because he wants to build up Cinder to be more than Discount Azula, and the coven is so Salem can have her own crew of lackeys while Cinder eventually grows into her own thing. It seems like that's what the main show looks to be doing.

Why not remove Hazel, and Tyrian in favor of Mercury being the muscle? Why not remove Watts in favour of Emerald being the right hand man?
Going by the main show, I'm assuming because RT got some pretty good VAs when it comes to promotion. Tyrian is Josh Grelle, Watts is/was Chris Sabat.
Why not let the main villains take advantage of the mischief that Raven or even the white fang are creating, it will actually help portray how competent Cinder and Co are for seizing opportunity of the chaos and using it to reach their goal.
Wasn't that the point of V3?

RWBY is a deeply flawed show but in the end you're still using and relying on an entire world that someone else created.
Ain't that the conundrum?
And as someone with a lot of experience in multiple fanfiction scenes over the years, I admittedly get annoyed when you have people acting like they're so much better than the original creator and saying they can write something better.
So what's the judge? Have them do original fiction and publish it?
 
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@Random Internet Person Can't quote you so I'll just say that I dunno really. It's not like I think Roger Ebert needed to make movies of his own before he was allowed to criticize them. I just think with something like fanfiction and fix fics in particular you really aren't proving much of anything especially because you're doing something with way less restrictions than what the original creator had in most cases.
 
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@Random Internet Person Can't quote you so I'll just say that I dunno really. It's not like I think Roger Ebert needed to make movies of his own before he was allowed to criticize them. I just think with something like fanfiction and fix fics in particular you really aren't proving much of anything especially because you're doing something with way less restrictions than what the original creator had in most cases.
That’s what I was thinking too. With fanfics, you don’t have to worry about things like budget, deadlines, episode number and length, or VA availability.

In the meantime, here's some stuff from the Sketchy Huntsmen, namely confirmation of Vernal's parentage and some stuff with Salem. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1469362840498806795.html

And some more Fixing RWBY OST!
 
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That’s what I was thinking too. With fanfics, you don’t have to worry about things like budget, deadlines, episode number and length, or VA availability.

In the meantime, here's some stuff from the Sketchy Huntsmen, namely confirmation of Vernal's parentage and some stuff with Salem. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1469362840498806795.html

And some more Fixing RWBY OST!
I always found it a wasteful on the idea of killing Vernal, especially when she's designed as a carbon copy of Raven. Like, why even incorporate her into the story if you're not willing to take her beyond her original role? I mean, imagine if Vernal survived and decided to deviate from Raven's ideals, being disappointed in Raven and leading the tribe instead of Raven, who runs away. Or living to earn respect from Team RWBY.

Hell, had she survived with the tribe, then the population of Atlas would find another viable location, because the tribe can be used as another source of protection instead of Vacuo.

Don't get me wrong, Vernal's original design as "discount Miley Cyrus" (as Adel Aka would put it) is bland and dull, but the whole theme of strong, sassy yet nice punk girl is a breath of fresh air compared to Raven 2.0. Just give her a spring color palette, and change the clothes a bit, and you've got a serviceable design that can play along with the "Vernal's a Spring Maiden decoy" theme in the Original V5.
 
I always found it a wasteful on the idea of killing Vernal, especially when she's designed as a carbon copy of Raven. Like, why even incorporate her into the story if you're not willing to take her beyond her original role? I mean, imagine if Vernal survived and decided to deviate from Raven's ideals, being disappointed in Raven and leading the tribe instead of Raven, who runs away. Or living to earn respect from Team RWBY.

Hell, had she survived with the tribe, then the population of Atlas would find another viable location, because the tribe can be used as another source of protection instead of Vacuo.

Don't get me wrong, Vernal's original design as "discount Miley Cyrus" (as Adel Aka would put it) is bland and dull, but the whole theme of strong, sassy yet nice punk girl is a breath of fresh air compared to Raven 2.0. Just give her a spring color palette, and change the clothes a bit, and you've got a serviceable design that can play along with the "Vernal's a Spring Maiden decoy" theme in the Original V5.
Well, congratulations. The fact that you feel robbed of that potential dynamic and character is EXACTLY what Celtic and company were going for when they wrote and developed Vernal.
 
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You're telling me the sole reason why Vernal, and that background sleaze got ascended from extra was so the autist can add more drama to his clusterfuck of a rewrite? Why did he not just focus on Yang, Raven, and their family issues instead? Adding Vernal and the Sleaze don't serve anything relevant in the plot as as whole and only there to give mind-bogglingly convoluted drama. For fucks sake is he making a rewrite of an action web series or a South-American telenovela based on RWBY?
I'm just as mad as you are that Vernal ended up dead, exactly like in canon. But, the tribe itself as a plot element is something that was hinted in earlier volumes. As much as I hate to admit it, they're still an integral part of worldbuilding into the types of people in the Anima continent.

Same thing for other teams like ABRN and the Malachites - namely, the former for the kind of Huntsmen trainees from Anima, and the Malachites as a consequence for how the Fall of Beacon affected everyday folk. Hell, having scenes with all the fallen Huntsmen that Qrow grew up with (especially Shiro Wan), would develop Qrow as a character.

Why did he keep fucking Salem? Why did he decide to keep her and her coven? Why not just shove the redeeming parts of Salem's character into the literal nothing character that is Cinder and then salvage whoever he wanted in her coven? One of the main issues of the protagonists in the show also applies to the BBEGs, trimming them will be a MASSIVE relief in the writing department on the long run.

Salem represents a huge part of what was the ancient source of all of RWBY's conflicts - and Cinder having peers was supposed to showcase where she was in the pecking order of things, and see that since she was an important character, they represent obstacles to her character arcs. Great concept, horrible execution since they were criminally underutilized.

Also, money and star power.

I've skimmed through that edgelord fic series Ruby and Nora, where there's an insane amount of 2-D, Complete Monster-esque villains doing gratuitous dickery, shock value deaths, and where Cinder was just another of Salem's identities - and that fic kept the brattiness of both, without adding anything of value. Also, that series likes to portray most of their characters one way or another - noble, pure and good for this sinful earth that aligns with the author's political leanings, or malicious pure evil, with arbitrary bigotry stamped on their foreheads - with no middle ground or nuance whatsoever.

Yeah honestly when it comes to FRWBY I just can't get over the whole Roman thing. And as someone with a lot of experience in multiple fanfiction scenes over the years, I admittedly get annoyed when you have people acting like they're so much better than the original creator and saying they can write something better. RWBY is a deeply flawed show but in the end you're still using and relying on an entire world that someone else created.

While FRWBY is terrible in some aspects, the show's staying power is because of fanfictions and whatnot. The loose setting, premise on creativity and weaponry and badassery. Hell, other animated fanfictions have largely succeeded. Cake Station made a filler OVA and reanimated Adam vs Blake and Yang, Raxacory made the Grimm intimidating with DARK, and Labowski even took that out of place Raven vs JNPR fight that Simp Newville mentioned all the way back in his 36-page letter, and made it work!

Just because Celtic's series has stupid decisions worse than RT in certain areas, doesn't mean that the idea of improving on the concepts with fanfic is a terrible idea as a whole.
 
Well, congratulations. The fact that you feel robbed of that potential dynamic and character is EXACTLY what Celtic and company were going for when they wrote and developed Vernal.
That's not an inherently good thing, though. Character deaths should serve a purpose besides going "OOooooOOOOoooh isn't that SAD?" like it's a soap opera, especially when the actual character died in the real thing in the exact same way. Sometime this week I'll do a big writeup on those stream bullet points by the way.
Just because Celtic's series has stupid decisions worse than RT in certain areas, doesn't mean that the idea of improving on the concepts with fanfic is a terrible idea as a whole.
Agreed, it's just very immature of him and the others to parade around like they're objectively better and making something truly quality.
 
That's not an inherently good thing, though. Character deaths should serve a purpose besides going "OOooooOOOOoooh isn't that SAD?" like it's a soap opera, especially when the actual character died in the real thing in the exact same way. Sometime this week I'll do a big writeup on those stream bullet points by the way.
@Sleazy Car Salesman said the same thing. Again, I was just trying to summarize the whole three hours, so...sorry for no commentary or riffing.
 
@Sleazy Car Salesman said the same thing. Again, I was just trying to summarize the whole three hours, so...sorry for no commentary or riffing.
Criticizing shit from FRWBY is as straining in the mind as it is. Kudos to you for sifting through 5 hour long word jungles and freeing us from the hustle of sitting through ramblings just to find plot points.
 
Alright, I did a writeup on part of that stream response.

“Shiloh (what Shay D. Man was renamed as by Celtic and company) is the father of Vernal, and Raven is her mother. Mupa drew a comic depicting the relationship, and it grew on Celtic. The two weren't married, and the running theory of the Sketchy Huntsmen is that Raven "does the rounds" at the Branwen camp, reguarly dragging people into her tent. Celtic mentions that Raven has a softer spot for Shiloh a little more than other people in the tribe. Celtic mentions Raven being "a little more tsundere" when it comes to Shiloh.”



This is stupid and reeks of high school OC. Raven is so cool, she fucks EVERYONE and has a SUPER PRETTY AND COOL DAUGHTER. Anyone who uses the word tsundere like that should be shot also.



“In response to someone saying that there needed to be more fight scenes and less talking, Celtic says that more fight scenes aren't needed to be interesting.”



True, but the original draw to RWBY definitely wasn’t its plot. In the realm of FRWBY, there was a LOT of standing around and conversations I’ve already forgotten.



“Celtic says one of his big issues with canon RWBY is how RT doesn't take responsibility for their blunders or acknowledge failures and flaws.”



Also true, but neither does Celtic. In the rare occasion he admits to mistakes, he prefers to double down on them, which is equally as bad. Actually, I’d prefer if he did leave out the “blunders.” I’d rather a minor plot hole than forcing a bad plot point.



“It's something that could open the door for a backstory, and offers Kali a niche and a chance to be more than just "Blake's mother".”

RWBY already has issues with character bloat, why “open the door” for the backstory on someone who works perfectly fine in her current role? I’m not really interested in Blake’s mother as a person, she’s a minor character, so I care more about what her with Blake interactions say about Blake.



“According to Celtic responding to someone mentioning they didn't quite get Raven, Raven doesn't fully understand herself. As she tries to act cool and collected, she's actually very impulsive and selfish and doesn't want to acknowledge that part of herself. However, she has soft spots for some people, and torn between the love she has for Vernal and the love she has for herself.”



She’s just constantly contradicting her own writing, and the supposed love she has for her daughter isn’t really ever seen. She’s selfish to a comedic level that doesn’t feel genuine.

“In regards to Ruby not having much reaction to being related to Vernal, Celtic says that it's not that important of a scene that needed to be followed up on, but the more interesting thing was Yang having another sister beyond Ruby. Yang would be excited if it wasn't for the circumstances. Ruby doesn't have as much of a connection to Vernal as Yang does. Celtic calls it a slight oversight, but not a damning one.”

Why wouldn’t Ruby have that thought when Yang does? While Ruby isn’t related to Vernal by blood, I feel like it would seriously intrigue anyone to find out about a secret family member, especially one their age. Celtic is showing a serious lack of creativity here. Not to mention Ruby is your main character, you may as well give her more to work with.

“To Celtic, Roman was his favorite character to write.”

You don’t say? I’m almost certain I saw a picture of him in Roman cosplay before.

“He says he's dangerous to write because he can chew and absorb scenes where he appears, and you want to keep going with him, and so you have to be careful when writing him, and Celtic isn't sure if he succeeded in that regard. Celtic says Roman is fun to write because he's taking the piss out of everyone and everything, including himself. Vernal was also fun to write. He also liked writing Ilia because of her tragic story.”

Celtic writes this supposed charisma the same way dumb people write smart people: they think it just works like magic, and everything they say is charismatic because they say so. He wins people over by existing, he’s just so darn charming. His jokes are always funny and he’s just messing around, guys! He’s so snarky! And definitely not a self-insert.

“However, the fact that it took until V8 for Oscar to have some personality made Celtic feel it wasn't worth the effort, and Celtic feels he got the same amount of character dynamic with Roman by the end of V5.”

It’s called FIXING RWBY. You’re supposed to FIX that. You make Oscar work by coming up with a better personality for him, but for Celtic this was apparently too daunting a task, because why would a writer want to write something? I just believe that was his only reason. It’s probably not a coincidence that Roman more vaguely resembles Celtic and his favorite archetype while Oscar doesn’t.

“So the relationship is more Yang and Blake trying to repair their relationship, which he says will be featured in V6.”

Oh I cannot WAIT to see how he handles romance.

“The Spring Maiden twist of Raven being the Maiden instead of Vernal was kept because RT really wanted to have it in”

Like how RT really wanted to have Oscar, yeah?

“The Roman and Neo reunion was done the way it was because Roman masks his relief with comedy and being a goof. This is in response to people saying Roman should have been crying and breaking down.”

I don’t think Celtic understands that if you want a moment like that to hit, that’s when you have character breaks, to show Roman is so overwhelmed he can’t “mask” it anymore. That scene is literally just FFIX’s ending but bad.

“Celtic was tempted to have an almost kiss between Weiss and Vernal, and the ship name for them was decided to be "Snow Lillies"”

Celtic and co prove to be unable to comprehend relationships beyond romance and “shipping” fuel, because Celtic’s only exposure to women is slice of life yuri I guess. I know about this ship name because during premieres, Mupa would shout about it like every scene they were together.

“To Celtic, a lot of the issues with racism in Remnant are more people based than government based.”

Yes, that’s why he believes when you’re subject to racist torment, it’s best to ignore it and keep being nice until the dude falls in love with you, according to Velvet and Cardin. Something tells me Celtic doesn’t have the best grasp on sociopolitics.

Skipping a bunch I might get back to later, but I wanted to address

“The Faunus heat cycle is just a background element that causes friction. There's an element/character that affects in a way that you wouldn't expect. Celtic says there's lots of horrifying implications to heat cycles, and it's a disadvantage to Faunus in terms of biology. It's mostly a lore element.”

The whole heat cycle and heat pills thing he talked about and doubled down on is just a fanfic fetish trope. If you wanted a disadvantage to faunus biology, you could’ve chosen, I dunno, poor vision or hypersensitivity or foods they can’t eat or something. Only a true coombrain would go straight for ABO. Also, the concept of a minority causing conflict by being extremely horny is… a bit tasteless, to say the least.

“Celtic claims he was bullied into doing the onsen episode (he says he could talk about it more in the artist stream(s)), but eventually warmed up to it, citing the thematic of characters stripping themselves naked and opening themselves up to each other emotionally.

Celtic says he tried to make the onsen scenes as tasteful as possible, but some of the artists missed the memo.”

I also doubt this. In fact, it’s an outright lie.



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It’s also not tasteful, even in the script. If Celtic wanted a realistic onsen, he’d know they function like spas, and they’re not a place for intense conversation and splashing. The artists “didn’t get the memo” even though he’s the director of the project, which just makes him look like a careless director.
 
@Skipjack great job so far (so far assuming there’s more you wanna get to). I will say though, if I repeat myself or miss something, watching and getting info from a three hour stream is pretty tough. You find yourself switching between trying to keep focus and doing things to try and break the monotony. I think I did pretty well in getting the info, and here’s hoping others think so also.
 
@Skipjack great job so far (so far assuming there’s more you wanna get to). I will say though, if I repeat myself or miss something, watching and getting info from a three hour stream is pretty tough. You find yourself switching between trying to keep focus and doing things to try and break the monotony. I think I did pretty well in getting the info, and here’s hoping others think so also.
You did a really thorough job tbh, good work and thank you
 
“In response to someone saying that there needed to be more fight scenes and less talking, Celtic says that more fight scenes aren't needed to be interesting.”
True, but the original draw to RWBY definitely wasn’t its plot. In the realm of FRWBY, there was a LOT of standing around and conversations I’ve already forgotten.
Celtic writes this supposed charisma the same way dumb people write smart people: they think it just works like magic, and everything they say is charismatic because they say so. He wins people over by existing, he’s just so darn charming. His jokes are always funny and he’s just messing around, guys! He’s so snarky! And definitely not a self-insert.
“The Roman and Neo reunion was done the way it was because Roman masks his relief with comedy and being a goof. This is in response to people saying Roman should have been crying and breaking down.”
Oh my fucking lord he's pulling a fucking Whedon and I didn't even notice it beforehand.

“The Faunus heat cycle is just a background element that causes friction. There's an element/character that affects in a way that you wouldn't expect. Celtic says there's lots of horrifying implications to heat cycles, and it's a disadvantage to Faunus in terms of biology. It's mostly a lore element.”

The whole heat cycle and heat pills thing he talked about and doubled down on is just a fanfic fetish trope. If you wanted a disadvantage to faunus biology, you could’ve chosen, I dunno, poor vision or hypersensitivity or foods they can’t eat or something. Only a true coombrain would go straight for ABO. Also, the concept of a minority causing conflict by being extremely horny is… a bit tasteless, to say the least.
it appears that he's also pulling a Tom Fischbach as well. Also this has got to be his greatest Dare you.jpg moment.
 
I have to ponder how long until Rooster Teeth realizes that nobody watched RWBY for the story during Volumes 1 and 2. They watched it because a beloved 3D animator was heading the project.
 
Who the hell outside of furries and A/B/O fanfic writers
Can someone please enlighten me as to what A/B/O is? It sound repulsive.
aside from that and the onsen scene what other weird magical realm/weebshit got snuck into this?
The guy has a serious hardon for lesbians so there's a lot of lesbian shipping fuel, he envisions Raven as the town bicycle as well as the leader of the Branwen tribe, there's a ton of really weeby dialogue from multiple characters about "the real Blake" or "my Blake". There's more but I'd have to actually rewatch it and I'm not quite feeling up to that right now.
 
Can someone please enlighten me as to what A/B/O is? It sound repulsive.
It's called Alpha/Beta/Omega. Here's what Wikipedia has to say:
Omegaverse, also known as A/B/O (an abbreviation for "alpha/beta/omega"), is a subgenre of speculative erotic fiction, and originally a subgenre of erotic slash fan fiction. Stories in the genre are premised on societies wherein humans are divided into a dominance hierarchy of dominant "alphas", neutral "betas", and submissive "omegas". These terms are derived from those used in ethology to describe social hierarchies in animals.[1]
I have to ponder how long until Rooster Teeth realizes that nobody watched RWBY for the story during Volumes 1 and 2. They watched it because a beloved 3D animator was heading the project.
I think they kind of know already.
 
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