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I completely understand the point of this thread is to mock trannies and not to vent legitimate criticism of actual transgenderism, but I do sometimes wonder whether there are Kiwis here who are legitimate ‘TERFS’ (God what a stupid word) or have a genuine hatred for transgender people in general and are actually transphobic like so much of the Tumblr community and other SJW would demonise us as? Is it true? Would anyone here genuinely admit to hating trans people and culture in general? And if so, Why and how do you defend yourself from possibly looking like a genuine bigoted asshole that many people stereotype people being as here?
I can sympathise for people who genuinely have gender dysphoria and see HRT and SRS as last resorts, but a lot of the posts being submitted here glamourise the "experiences of becoming the opposite sex", which reeks of fetishisation and attention-whoring to me.

This might be better discussed in a thread like Feminism and the LGBT Community with Respect to Transgenderism?
 
I completely understand the point of this thread is to mock trannies and not to vent legitimate criticism of actual transgenderism, but I do sometimes wonder whether there are Kiwis here who are legitimate ‘TERFS’ (God what a stupid word) or have a genuine hatred for transgender people in general and are actually transphobic like so much of the Tumblr community and other SJW would demonise us as? Is it true? Would anyone here genuinely admit to hating trans people and culture in general? And if so, Why and how do you defend yourself from possibly looking like a genuine bigoted asshole that many people stereotype people being as here?
I will gas all trannies and tranny sympathizers.
 
I think it is unfair perhaps to label all transpeople
I do not give one fuck about what you think is fair. As a mother with daughters I find it unfair that I need to worry about my daughters’ “sex-based” spaces being violated by pervert men in dresses.

You can kindly fuck right off
 
There really is something majorly horrifiying about how much transgenderism has exploded recently. I'm reminded of the story of the school where an entire classroom inherteted tourettes like tics for some reason and the common theory was that exposure at a certain age tricks the brain into replicating it and while some kids were clearly just making it up for shits and giggles, it can act as a catalyst for intrusive ideas like that to shape vulnerable kids.

I legit think the subconcious issues that come from trans kids in a classroom are spreading across kids like a viral disease. Call it incredibly autistic but if you implant a certain idea in kids brains you can manipulate them into believing that they came up with an idea themselves. By being unable to offer alternative viewpoints thanks to social pressure, doctors are essentially left with no other option but to encourage transitions.
 
Like I said I am neither, but I think it is unfair perhaps to label all transpeople as that, this site tends to focus on the worst examples the movement has to offer, it’s the same with any fandom, they focus on the absolute worst people from that group that In reality only take up a minuscule proportion of the actual fandom as a whole. They aren’t representative of the community’s as a whole and In turn trick people’s opinions into thinking the whole culture is like that.

It’s a really hacky thing to do to blame a few freaks misdoings and behaviour on an entire group when it’s not the main majority that are like that. Makes them all collectively seem bad as a culture when really it’s just a couple of fringe douchebags that have taken power in abusing their sexual identity to become a deviant and make everyone know and suffer in the name of making some stupid political power statement that only has any meaning to them. I wish it would stop.

You're pretty naive to think what's posted here isn't representative of all trans people, lol. Lurk more in their communities and you'll see what's posted here is just the tip of the iceberg.
 
There really is something majorly horrifiying about how much transgenderism has exploded recently. I'm reminded of the story of the school where an entire classroom inherteted tourettes like tics for some reason and the common theory was that exposure at a certain age tricks the brain into replicating it and while some kids were clearly just making it up for shits and giggles, it can act as a catalyst for intrusive ideas like that to shape vulnerable kids.

I legit think the subconcious issues that come from trans kids in a classroom are spreading across kids like a viral disease. Call it incredibly autistic but if you implant a certain idea in kids brains you can manipulate them into believing that they came up with an idea themselves. By being unable to offer alternative viewpoints thanks to social pressure, doctors are essentially left with no other option but to encourage transitions.

When the trans lobby started telling kids that gender is based on internalizing stereotypes instead of whether they have a penis or vagina this shit was bound to happen.

I've been on the internet a long time and i never bought into trans ideology because whenever they were asked to address how they "knew" they were male/female it was always based on some stupid nonsense like "i never liked wearing dresses" or "my favorite color has always been pink" total fucking lunacy.
 
There really is something majorly horrifiying about how much transgenderism has exploded recently. I'm reminded of the story of the school where an entire classroom inherteted tourettes like tics for some reason and the common theory was that exposure at a certain age tricks the brain into replicating it and while some kids were clearly just making it up for shits and giggles, it can act as a catalyst for intrusive ideas like that to shape vulnerable kids.

I legit think the subconcious issues that come from trans kids in a classroom are spreading across kids like a viral disease. Call it incredibly autistic but if you implant a certain idea in kids brains you can manipulate them into believing that they came up with an idea themselves. By being unable to offer alternative viewpoints thanks to social pressure, doctors are essentially left with no other option but to encourage transitions.
I actually think of it like the satanic panics in the 80's, only more damaging. It's a narrative that is propped up in the media, that is essentially driving a psychosomatic reaction in people. Culturally bound syndromes are a thing, after all, and things like anorexia nervosa are almost entirely confined to western nations or places with heavy exposure to western media. People discount the degree to which ideas can fuck people up. Suicide contagion is a known effect of publicizing information on suicides, and famously Goethe is supposed to have triggered waves of suicides in young men when he published The Sorrows of Young Werther that glamorized killing yourself for love.

So what is happening is that the very marginal experience of some gay people (where a desire to become the opposite gender was fueled by a desire to be normal and not stigmatized) in previous years has served as a narrative basis for a fantasy (that you can be born into the wrong body) that is now inducing this distress and behavior in others. And at least part of this is that coming out as trans is being greeted with proclamations of bravery and love. Just looking at the reaction people are getting should explain at least partially what the attraction to depressed people is.
 
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Wachowski is a fucking AGP and Page is a traumatized lesbian looking for a placebo cure.
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This is a religious experience. Trans rites are not human rights. The world is not your stage and people don't have to validate you.
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I love how they also bring in Jazz Jennings as an example of how surgeries are beneficial. Poor boy is depressed, overweight, and constantly anxious. How is his life story the proof they need to validate the usefulness of trooning out children?
 
Like I said I am neither, but I think it is unfair perhaps to label all transpeople as that, this site tends to focus on the worst examples the movement has to offer, it’s the same with any fandom, they focus on the absolute worst people from that group that In reality only take up a minuscule proportion of the actual fandom as a whole. They aren’t representative of the community’s as a whole and In turn trick people’s opinions into thinking the whole culture is like that.

It’s a really hacky thing to do to blame a few freaks misdoings and behaviour on an entire group when it’s not the main majority that are like that. Makes them all collectively seem bad as a culture when really it’s just a couple of fringe douchebags that have taken power in abusing their sexual identity to become a deviant and make everyone know and suffer in the name of making some stupid political power statement that only has any meaning to them. I wish it would stop.
Please, please show me one "normal" troon who doesn't make everything about their fetish or treat women like sex objects.
 
Like I said I am neither, but I think it is unfair perhaps to label all transpeople as that, this site tends to focus on the worst examples the movement has to offer, it’s the same with any fandom, they focus on the absolute worst people from that group that In reality only take up a minuscule proportion of the actual fandom as a whole. They aren’t representative of the community’s as a whole and In turn trick people’s opinions into thinking the whole culture is like that.

It’s a really hacky thing to do to blame a few freaks misdoings and behaviour on an entire group when it’s not the main majority that are like that. Makes them all collectively seem bad as a culture when really it’s just a couple of fringe douchebags that have taken power in abusing their sexual identity to become a deviant and make everyone know and suffer in the name of making some stupid political power statement that only has any meaning to them. I wish it would stop.
There is no "true" trans or "fake" trans. They're both batshit insane. Sure, maybe some trannies will throw other trannies other the bus for clout, but that doesn't make them better.

Look at Buck Angel. She proclaimed "I go by he/she" and once GC people started calling her by "she/her", Buck flipped her shit and started blocking people and reporting them, despite how she proclaimed she was ok by people calling her she. In fact, Buck is currently in a spat with the beloved TERF, Karen Davis. Buck also deludes herself that when men have sex with her, they're gay men, not bisexual men or degenerate men that will fuck whatever for money.

They proclaim they know they're still their biological sex, but when you confront them on this, they immediately go back into their delusion of "NO I'M A MAN/WOMAN!"

And sorry, but I refuse to accept any tranny, no matter how sensible they might appear, because despite them stating the reality, they still believe in their delusional fantasy. Also to note, they refuse to misgender anyone who claims they're trans, despite them stating "I don't think they're actually trans." Because if they can claim someone isn't trans, that same argument can be put back on them.
 
One weird aide to early Internet trooning I remember the David Reimer case being brought up as an argument for internalized gender. If you actually read the book what caused him so much anguish wasn’t that he preferred baseball over Barbie it was the pure body horror of forcing a male body to become feminine. This is now that the trans lobby is openly advocating for ie jazz…..
 
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I love how they also bring in Jazz Jennings as an example of how surgeries are beneficial. Poor boy is depressed, overweight, and constantly anxious. How is his life story the proof they need to validate the usefulness of trooning out children?
Yeah because CLEARLY a bunch of hack directors and out of work actresses know more about medicine than medical professionals do. 🤡
 
I don't hate anyone, but I am troubled by gross narcissists having the power to control governments and other organizations and have the world bend over backwards for them despite their insignificantly tiny population. I worry for my children who may grow up in a world where they're taught that if they don't lust over the opposite sex by 3rd grade or play with the right kind of toys they get pressured by their teachers into believing they're trans. I'm disgusted by a group of filthy men who couldn't hack it as 2/10's deciding they're women one day in the hopes of it increasing their chances of getting laid with women who feel more and more forced into the situation lest they be labeled bigots by friends and family.

I understand your hatred for the overall population of trannies since so many of them are egotistical and force society to cater to each of their whims but i still feel this is a generalisation of simply the worst that are shown here, I feel there are definitely genuinely normal and kind, but emotionally troubled trans men or women out there who hate the vbast majority of other trannies and troons and how they have made so much of them stand out like posion in the LGBTQ Community. I have had friends who are trans and know about some of the lolcow troons on here and how much of their culture is drenched in degeneracy from so many idiots and say they don't approve any of it. Think about how hard that is.
I don't hate gender non-conformity, and I have sympathy for gay people who are incorrectly convinced that transitioning is a good choice for them due to lacking support as children. Like I said, I think that the modern trans movement actually preys on effeminate gay boys and butch gay girls and convinces them to mutilate themselves as a justification for the ludicrous belief in gender identity. I am firmly convinced that "trans" children, if given support to explore non-gender conforming interests without declaring them "a girl inside", will not transition, and that the homosexual transsexualism would almost entirely disappear. I think, similarly, that addressing the insecurity young girls feel in their sexuality and relationship to boys would eliminate practically all FTM trans people. All the would be left would be the coomers.

That said, your comparison to fandom is sort of telling. In the same way furries defend the worst of their ranks with their sense of community, the same is true for trans people. Right now, fetishists like Yaniv can literally prey on little girls more or less unimpeded because the trans movement provides support and cover for these predators. I'm not about to go out on a trans killing spree, but I absolutely do hate the movement for the people it harbors and the behaviors it enables. If "real" trans people don't want to be associated with these degenerates, maybe don't defend their identities as legitimate. As it is, you go to the discussion of any trans offender anywhere on the internet, and there's guaranteed to be at least one person there super concerned about whether or not you're misgendering the rapist/serial killer.

Re: Andrea Long Chu. I like how nowhere in the article does it explain why the suicidal person/razor blade example is incorrect. It literally just says "yes, you would be violating the Hypocratic oath, but I want it, and being trans means that I get what I want". He seems to think that by just acknowledging the argument, he's countered it, but it just makes the choice to help on the doctor's part more crazy. The one logic I could accept for transitioning is that it counts as harm reduction when nothing else will work, but as Andrea showed, that argument leaves open the door to it not being the best solution in all cases. It leaves open the possibility that it is a mental illness, and that choosing to transition can cause regret. And facing that reality breaks the whole illusion apart. It's better to pretend that they can never be happy, then face the possibility that they are just a sad pervert.
Like i said before I do not doubt there are a shockingly high proportion of Trannies that are clout chasers and sexual deviants in the community who prey on the young to brainwash into a cult, but that is the minority and most trannies and I would hope humans are horrifically repulsed by the idea of abusing minors at such young ages. That is not representative of the group as a whole and even more horrific. Also the fact that some people 'need' to transition would not define 'mental illness'. Dysphoria is not a mental illness but rather a genuine gene mutation where someone was born a specific sex, yet had the opposite body to that of their brain. there are well known scientific differences between the designs of female and male brains so it would be completely understandable why someone who was trapped into the wrong body not of their choosing would want to correct it. They dont need to live in regret or accept shit, they're not perverts for being born as something they didn't choose, they have a natural human right to change it.


You have no idea what you think you moron. You can't even keep a consistent view from one 20 minutes to the next
Sorry my bad, 'm new to this thread and was answering multiple questions at once, with the speed this site goes its bound to be expected.
I can sympathise for people who genuinely have gender dysphoria and see HRT and SRS as last resorts, but a lot of the posts being submitted here glamourise the "experiences of becoming the opposite sex", which reeks of fetishisation and attention-whoring to me.

This might be better discussed in a thread like Feminism and the LGBT Community with Respect to Transgenderism?
Thank you for the thread link, and yes I think it is also bullshit that the Transgender lifestyle is glamorised as all being sexy transgender deviants from like the 1970s. Its similar to gays who make their whole personalities about their sexualities and nothing else. Its incredibly annoying and obnoxious and should not be encouraged in society.
I will gas all trannies and tranny sympathizers.
Thanks for the info.
I do not give one fuck about what you think is fair. As a mother with daughters I find it unfair that I need to worry about my daughters’ “sex-based” spaces being violated by pervert men in dresses.

You can kindly fuck right off
Lol calm down pls.
 
Imagine the suicide rates if doctors started handing out SRSs like party favours.
Dr. Rumer and the like would if money were involved, requiring an intermediate party given that troons are always broke. That only leaves us Kiwi ASD sufferers: same problem. :heart-empty:

Go find a Dexter-type “Philanthropist” for the cause!
 
Kinda wack how as a little boy I didn't like sports and had constant reoccuring dreams of my penis falling off. I'm positive if I ever told this to a therapist I'd have ended up transitioning without realising it. I even had a brief phase where I wondered what it'd be like to get fucked like a woman during puberty when hormones are completely all over the place, which naturally went away just as soon as it occurred because even then I was all "Even if I transitioned it wouldn't be a real vagina so I wouldn't feel the same".

This is the fear. 30+ divorcees to be wanting to cut off their cock and balls is one thing, but kids straight up DO NOT REALISE the long term implications of anything. Hell there's a reason why the law is such a clusterfuck about punishing kids for things like murder (have a look into the James Bulger case one day, it's grim reading) because they have no concept of death as perminance, it's just something that happens to other people.

At that age, kids can't even grasp that if they eat their ice cream they can't eat the same ice cream later on. So how the fuck are they going to grasp that their cock will not exist anymore and they will be in constant pain from the scarred neovagina that they have to painfully dilate all the fucking time.
 
Hooboy. Andy "Lily" Wachowski is literally an AGP who had his mind raped by a dominatrix who would sexually torture him for hours, then inject him intramuscularly with ketamine right as he would cum to extend his orgasm for what seemed like hours, while he disassociated while wearing women's clothes. That dominatrix, Ilsa Strix, was at the time married to Buck Angel, a FtM who did "dude with a pussy" porn. She left her "husband" for Wachowski, who left his wife for Ilsa. Andy Wachowski is literally a kink-sick pervert who after his fame and money from The Matrix, got into the underground LA sex dungeon scene, and got mentally fucked by a sex demoness into mental depravity. He likes being humiliated and his wife making him go to premieres dressed as a woman is part of that. Literally the worst example of a stable normal tranny possible. (fun fact: Ilsa Strix had heavy influence on the second and third Matrix movies, which is part of the reason they suck. The underground orgy rave scene was her idea.)
 
I completely understand the point of this thread is to mock trannies and not to vent legitimate criticism of actual transgenderism, but I do sometimes wonder whether there are Kiwis here who are legitimate ‘TERFS’ (God what a stupid word) or have a genuine hatred for transgender people in general and are actually transphobic like so much of the Tumblr community and other SJW would demonise us as? Is it true? Would anyone here genuinely admit to hating trans people and culture in general? And if so, Why and how do you defend yourself from possibly looking like a genuine bigoted asshole that many people stereotype people being as here?
Harm only yourself and I'll ignore you. Harm others, and I'll get annoyed.

As to defending myself, why would I? Their opinion is about as important to me as a fly fart on Jupiter.
 
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Like i said before I do not doubt there are a shockingly high proportion of Trannies that are clout chasers and sexual deviants in the community who prey on the young to brainwash into a cult, but that is the minority and most trannies and I would hope humans are horrifically repulsed by the idea of abusing minors at such young ages. That is not representative of the group as a whole and even more horrific. Also the fact that some people 'need' to transition would not define 'mental illness'. Dysphoria is not a mental illness but rather a genuine gene mutation where someone was born a specific sex, yet had the opposite body to that of their brain. there are well known scientific differences between the designs of female and male brains so it would be completely understandable why someone who was trapped into the wrong body not of their choosing would want to correct it. They dont need to live in regret or accept shit, they're not perverts for being born as something they didn't choose, they have a natural human right to change it.
Yeah, these "good" trannies did nothing to stop the invasion of AGPs and other degenerates. Absolutely nothing. They complain and bitch, "We've been pushed out of our own movement!" despite the fact they invited these assholes in the movement in the first place.

This is what happens when you try to normalize a mental illness instead of actually treating the problem. You get all sorts of lunatics that will attach themselves to you in order to be legitimate.

Gender dysphoria is just another kind of body dysphoria. No different from anorexics or those who want to chop off their limbs to become amputees. Except with those mental illnesses, we use actual medication and therapy to treat it, not body mutilation.
 
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