Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Mister Dongs]

DC does not publish 48 Batman/batman related books a month. Perch was mixing up something.

The mistake was mine and have corrected it. But when news is being relayed by orators of the level of Perch and Shane Davis, sometimes the mind drifts. Here's the ICV2 link in question of December 2021's top 50 comics with DC in them. My apologies.

1​	Batman #118​	DC Comics​
13​	Batman 2021 Annual #1​	DC Comics​
15​	Batman Fear State Omega #1 (One-Shot)​	DC Comics​
17​	Dark Knights of Steel #2 (Of 12)​	DC Comics​
18​	Batgirls #1​	DC Comics​
24​	Batman One Dark Knight #1 (Of 3) (Mature)​	DC Comics​
25​	Batman 89 #4 (Of 6)​	DC Comics​
28​	Joker #10​	DC Comics​
30​	Nightwing 2021 Annual #1​	DC Comics​
33​	Batman Catwoman #9 (Of 12) (Mature)​	DC Comics​
37​	Nightwing #87​	DC Comics​
38​	Detective Comics 2021 Annual #1​	DC Comics​
39​	Joker 2021 Annual #1​	DC Comics​
40​	Wonder Woman Historia The Amazons #1 (Of 3) (Mature)​	DC Comics​
42​	Robin & Batman #2 (Of 3)​	DC Comics​
48​	Justice League Incarnate #1 (Of 5)​	DC Comics​

 

[jspit2.0]

Marvel sales are actually dominating the direct market at present, but this should be interpreted as DC doing really badly right now.

The other day Perch put out a video citing ICV2 statistics about how all but 2 of DC's books in the Top 50 were Batman or Bat-related comics and that this should be taken as an objective sign that the publisher is in a state of freefall. DC's upcoming event, "Death of the Justice League" and replacing them with woke replacements, stinks of 2017. For their part, Frog and Shane Davis are right now cranking out agitprop carrying water for their beleaguered former colleague Geoff Johns, right now getting dogpiled by DCEU fans/Snyder Cultists (now that Joss Whedon has been destroyed) as Joss Whedon's henchman, the guy that wrecked Batfleck and getting blasted by Grace Randolph as a "functioning sociopath". The Comicsgate Kings by contrast are going so far as to say that Johns is the only one able to save DC Comics from its current dire state which, erm, lol. Not to put too fine a point on it fellas, but the only thing that Geoff Johns can do better than Grant Morrison is shit on Alan Moore's work.

Restoring She-Hulk I think shouldn't be seen as the result of editorial direction from Marvel so much as lack of it; YA writer Rainbow Rowell just wants to make some twee She-Hulk comic that girls would actually want to read and maybe even pay for instead of continuing well-known inept retard Marvel writer's Jason Aaron's repellant tranny They-Hulk dogshit that nobody wanted. The lack of any editorial direction or pushback is just a rare instance of this working out in Marvel fans' favor instead of against.

Yeah. I'll pile on that I got curious and looked. From what is public numbers wise; Amazon top seller, comichron, and ICV2 et cet, an adaptation causes sales to rise temporarily. I'd put it down to the auntie/mommy, God bless em, picking up a superheroes book for their kid they recognize from the televisions.

This happened with Thor, Captain America, Iron Man and will continue to happen.

DC does not publish 48 Batman/batman related books a month. Perch was mixing up something.

Depends how you define Batman? May have been a joke, but he is in everything.

The mistake was mine and have corrected it. But when news is being relayed by orators of the level of Perch and Shane Davis, sometimes the mind drifts. Here's the ICV2 link in question of December 2021's top 50 comics with DC in them. My apologies.

1​	Batman #118​	DC Comics​
13​	Batman 2021 Annual #1​	DC Comics​
15​	Batman Fear State Omega #1 (One-Shot)​	DC Comics​
17​	Dark Knights of Steel #2 (Of 12)​	DC Comics​
18​	Batgirls #1​	DC Comics​
24​	Batman One Dark Knight #1 (Of 3) (Mature)​	DC Comics​
25​	Batman 89 #4 (Of 6)​	DC Comics​
28​	Joker #10​	DC Comics​
30​	Nightwing 2021 Annual #1​	DC Comics​
33​	Batman Catwoman #9 (Of 12) (Mature)​	DC Comics​
37​	Nightwing #87​	DC Comics​
38​	Detective Comics 2021 Annual #1​	DC Comics​
39​	Joker 2021 Annual #1​	DC Comics​
40​	Wonder Woman Historia The Amazons #1 (Of 3) (Mature)​	DC Comics​
42​	Robin & Batman #2 (Of 3)​	DC Comics​
48​	Justice League Incarnate #1 (Of 5)​	DC Comics​

I'm seeing a pattern....

 

[A nameless trool]

The Comicsgate Kings by contrast are going so far as to say that Johns is the only one able to save DC Comics from its current dire state which, erm, lol. Not to put too fine a point on it fellas, but the only thing that Geoff Johns can do better than Grant Morrison is shit on Alan Moore's work.

First: You, sir, are a treasure.
Second: Let's be honest, EVS's entire career is being Geoff Johns' wingman, the only way to look bigger is by inflating his baloon to stardom.

 

[Mister Dongs]

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Second: Let's be honest, EVS's entire career is being Geoff Johns' wingman,

God help me I'm going to defend Frog on this; like Mark Millar, Geoff Johns is a far better networker than he ever was a writer, able to secure from publishers the top level artistic and creative talent of the day to carry some otherwise truly awful comics like Infinite Crisis and more recently Doomsday Clock and Three Jokers. Geoff Johns collaborating with Frog came up with shit like the emotional spectrum and a slew of characters and reinventions of characters that endure to this day; Geoff Johns without Frog wrote truly dumbass shit like Ant-Man shrinking down to climb inside his wife's vagina, attempting to "improve" Watchmen by making it more capeshit, an epic story where the world's greatest detective couldn't figure out his archenemy was three different guys and, of course, the Prime Punch. Which, while all brilliantly illustrated and financial successes, were jettisoned into the memory hole by other writers as soon as they hit the shelves. Sort of like George Lucas going from the original trilogy to the prequels, him gaining more creative control and not having to listen to collaborators has resulted in worse, not better output over time. This isn't even getting into Johns' adventures in the DC Cinematic Universe, which have been as disastrous as the MCU has been successful.

 

[Absurdity]

He's a sensation! Frog was watching him eat a large burger tonight.

He's what America is all about, he's what CG is all about!

I predict CG Mukbang before any new titles are shipped...

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

That's going to be hilarious. His rabid fans are probably going to agressively attack everyone they think isn't allowed to participate in the "Rippaverse" if it even comes to that point and the company isn't a giant failure.

Anti woke doesn't mean it's automatically good. Hell no. This very thread shows that.

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

I'm not there to hold your hand.

Ultimately, the Rippaverse fandom is yours.

Yeah, no, I'm good bro.

 

[A nameless trool]

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That's going to be hilarious. His rabid fans are probably going to agressively attack everyone they think isn't allowed to participate in the "Rippaverse" if it even comes to that point and the company isn't a giant failure.

Anti woke doesn't mean it's automatically good. Hell no. This very thread shows that.

Damn, you have to be extra deluded to tweet that and also the most anti-OGCG thing ever.

 

[Ike Aim]

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That's going to be hilarious. His rabid fans are probably going to agressively attack everyone they think isn't allowed to participate in the "Rippaverse" if it even comes to that point and the company isn't a giant failure.

Anti woke doesn't mean it's automatically good. Hell no. This very thread shows that.

Ideas Man has an Big Ideas. That's great and all, but I'll believe it when I see it. This has been a lot of hype and talk from/about a guy (that to my knowledge hasn't done much of anything other than be black and give an opinion) talking about what his all-powerful IP / fictional universe is going to be.

Did I miss something even remotely close that he's done before? Previous comic? Anything narrative-related? Maybe I'm deficient in my Eric July lore but apart from having political opinions that make center-right white people swoon and swell with hope for mankind, he's done nothing other than be a based black guy with a YT channel and a rock band (I'm noticing a pattern here). Has he even made a concept album? Do his songs have plots? Cool artwork even? I've heard his music and it's pretty unremarkable hardcore that was all the rage 20 years ago. Not saying that his "universe" won't be great or shouldn't be great or that creative people shouldn't have ideas (obviously) and dreams and plans, but goddamn it stop talking about them ahead of time before you've proven you can actually pull it off and if you're a fan, stop putting pressure on this guy to be the savior of genre fiction. FFS is everyone trying to jinx him? Is he trying to jinx himself?

Damn, you have to be extra deluded to tweet that

Rule #1 of starting a fictional universe is never announce you're about to start a fictional universe. Just do it and let the fans figure it out organically (assuming you actually earn fans). Did no one learn anything from the entirely-preventable blunder that was the Dark Universe? Looks like this dark man has a universe of his own to peddle. Who the fuck goes around telling people they're about to launch a comic book franchise named after themselves when they've never done anything like that before? Answer: people who've been told one too many times that they're important and "good for America" and everything they make is really amazing.

Somebody correct me and inform me that I'm wrong and he in fact has a respectable track record for producing related content that he is just now synthesizing into a greater project so I can believe that this reasonably presumably talented and ambitious man is not in fact a deluded fool surrounded by sycophants cheering him to soar higher towards the sun.

 

[Gar For Archer]

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That's going to be hilarious. His rabid fans are probably going to agressively attack everyone they think isn't allowed to participate in the "Rippaverse" if it even comes to that point and the company isn't a giant failure.

Anti woke doesn't mean it's automatically good. Hell no. This very thread shows that.

Anything that is explicitly “anti-woke” is honestly way more likely to be fucking god-awful, because it will be sold to retards on the basis of owning the libs rather than on the basis of actually telling a good story. It’s literally no different than “diversity” being the top-billed reason for why people should come see your movie.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

The amount of crossover from film/TV to comics must be absolutely abysmal.

One of the big reasons manga is kicking ass right now is because anime is a thing. Anime that follows the source material very faithfully, that is often also incomplete/in progress, giving watchers who want to find out “what happens next” in the story an easy solution: read the fucking source material. Anime convinces a lot of people who have no interest in the comics medium to give it a shot, and once you’ve read one manga, you’re way more likely to branch out and read more.

Marvel/DC’s biggest problem isn’t wokeness, it’s that nobody knows that comic books are apparently still being written and published in current year, despite their characters being household names thanks to Hollywood.

The problem isn't that people don't know. It's that people learned during the early period of the Marvel boom that current comics are so different from what they're adapting to screen that they're practically unrecognizable. They pick up a comic and there's a black female Iron Man, Steve Rogers is a Hydra Agent and Bucky is Captain America. The immediate reaction of most normies is less "Eww, SJW's" and more "I have no idea what the fuck is going on." Then they try to figure out where to begin and run smack into the insanely convoluted continuity snarls that are the Marvel and DC comic timelines. This meme summed it up beautifully:

And then there's the fact that, as more and more comic commentators are pointing out, traditional western floppy style comics just aren't a good value compared to manga. Manga comes in nice fat volumes of hundreds of pages packed with story for $8-$15 while western comics are sold in 20-30 page floppies that often barely tell a fraction of a story arc and physical copies usually sell for $4 new. Then tracking down all the other issues to get the complete story is a nightmare, on top of being much more expensive. You could need to buy 12 comics to get the same amount of story in one volume of manga, and that's $48 vs $15. Sure you get color, while the manga is probably in black and white, but the manga has a sturdier cover too, while the floppies are gonna be falling apart in a few years if you don't store them carefully in a plastic bag. It's a no brainer which choice is more economical and convenient.

 

[Gar For Archer]

The problem isn't that people don't know. It's that people learned during the early period of the Marvel boom that current comics are so different from what they're adapting to screen that they're practically unrecognizable. They pick up a comic and there's a black female Iron Man, Steve Rogers is a Hydra Agent and Bucky is Captain America. The immediate reaction of most normies is less "Eww, SJW's" and more "I have no idea what the fuck is going on." Then they try to figure out where to begin and run smack into the insanely convoluted continuity snarls that are the Marvel and DC comic timelines. This meme summed it up beautifully:

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And then there's the fact that, as more and more comic commentators are pointing out, traditional western floppy style comics just aren't a good value compared to manga. Manga comes in nice fat volumes of hundreds of pages packed with story for $8-$15 while western comics are sold in 20-30 page floppies that often barely tell a fraction of a story arc and physical copies usually sell for $4 new. Then tracking down all the other issues to get the complete story is a nightmare, on top of being much more expensive. You could need to buy 12 comics to get the same amount of story in one volume of manga, and that's $48 vs $15. Sure you get color, while the manga is probably in black and white, but the manga has a sturdier cover too, while the floppies are gonna be falling apart in a few years if you don't store them carefully in a plastic bag. It's a no brainer which choice is more economical and convenient.

Those are all factors, certainly. But the vast majority of normies certainly aren’t at the point where they walk into a comic shop, look at the selection and get confused and frustrated. The vast majority of normies probably don’t even know that comic shops are a thing unless they play MTG or something and get their cards from the same place.

Manga is sold in Barnes and Noble and is starting to make its way to big retailers like Walmart and Target. Comics are sold in tiny nerd stores that most people don’t even know exist. This, more than anything, is why comic sales are in the gutter.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

Those are all factors, certainly. But the vast majority of normies certainly aren’t at the point where they walk into a comic shop, look at the selection and get confused and frustrated. The vast majority of normies probably don’t even know that comic shops are a thing unless they play MTG or something and get their cards from the same place.

Manga is sold in Barnes and Noble and is starting to make its way to big retailers like Walmart and Target. Comics are sold in tiny nerd stores that most people don’t even know exist. This, more than anything, is why comic sales are in the gutter.

That's because the ship has sailed. There was interest when superhero movies were first getting big with Spiderman and Marvel. It gave channels like Comic Tropes on youtube careers. Hell, that interest is probably responsible for lolcow Linkara being as successful as he is. All these guys do is explain comic books to people who are interested but haven't read them. If word of mouth was good, if customers had good experience, interest would have grown. Instead it withered away.

Barnes & Noble has graphic novels right next to the manga, it's just a much smaller section because they don't sell as well. There could be a big comics section at B&N but there isn't because there's not the demand. Why not? Convoluted stories that look nothing like the movies that got new audiences interested, crappy writing, and expensive and difficult to follow distribution methods.

You can whine all day about how something isn't selling because a big box store doesn't carry it, but that's backwards. Something has to show promising sales before the big box store will pick it up, and then the sales will grow exponentially, but if the sales aren't there to begin with, the big box store isn't going to make the major investment of stocking it. Especially in an already struggling field like print media.

 

[Crescent Fresh]

One of the big reasons manga is kicking ass right now is because anime is a thing. Anime that follows the source material very faithfully, that is often also incomplete/in progress, giving watchers who want to find out “what happens next” in the story an easy solution: read the fucking source material. Anime convinces a lot of people who have no interest in the comics medium to give it a shot, and once you’ve read one manga, you’re way more likely to branch out and read more.

Marvel/DC’s biggest problem isn’t wokeness, it’s that nobody knows that comic books are apparently still being written and published in current year, despite their characters being household names thanks to Hollywood.

The industries are literal inversions of each other.

Largely, the Japanese industry is trying to funnel everyone into a single product, the book itself, or even more specifically those magazine subscriptions that have the new chapters. Anime adaptations not caught up with the books, video games, merch, it’s all to get you to buy the manga.

Conversely, for the Western publishers, comics have turned into a content farm. They don’t give a shit about comic sales, or how confusing shit is, they want to keep trying new arcs (conveniently usually long enough to fit as a standalone movie or TV season) by fitting various artists and writers together until something clicks and can be adapted to the big or small screen. This, however, is running into its own issue with the recent permeation of wokeness, forcing them to do unfortunate things like “actually adapting the female Thor nobody liked”.

 

[9th legion centurion 002]

Speaking of Marvel, over on Kickstarter quite a bit of money from a tabletop board game is being made.
I don't know if this is an indication of Marvel's popularity or people who simply enjoy tabletop gaming. Either way, I think Comicsgate might try dipping it's toes into new territory. I could see people down to buy a CG related board game.

 

[jspit2.0]

The problem isn't that people don't know. It's that people learned during the early period of the Marvel boom that current comics are so different from what they're adapting to screen that they're practically unrecognizable. They pick up a comic and there's a black female Iron Man, Steve Rogers is a Hydra Agent and Bucky is Captain America. The immediate reaction of most normies is less "Eww, SJW's" and more "I have no idea what the fuck is going on." Then they try to figure out where to begin and run smack into the insanely convoluted continuity snarls that are the Marvel and DC comic timelines. This meme summed it up beautifully:

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And then there's the fact that, as more and more comic commentators are pointing out, traditional western floppy style comics just aren't a good value compared to manga. Manga comes in nice fat volumes of hundreds of pages packed with story for $8-$15 while western comics are sold in 20-30 page floppies that often barely tell a fraction of a story arc and physical copies usually sell for $4 new. Then tracking down all the other issues to get the complete story is a nightmare, on top of being much more expensive. You could need to buy 12 comics to get the same amount of story in one volume of manga, and that's $48 vs $15. Sure you get color, while the manga is probably in black and white, but the manga has a sturdier cover too, while the floppies are gonna be falling apart in a few years if you don't store them carefully in a plastic bag. It's a no brainer which choice is more economical and convenient.

It's called Batman Year One and it worked for years. Kids picked up Amazing Spider-man without ever needing that because for decades they treated every issue as if it was a readers first. On the other hand, if you want to hold up Dragon Ball as not being confusing...by all means. GT or Super?

The industries are literal inversions of each other.

Largely, the Japanese industry is trying to funnel everyone into a single product, the book itself, or even more specifically those magazine subscriptions that have the new chapters. Anime adaptations not caught up with the books, video games, merch, it’s all to get you to buy the manga.

Conversely, for the Western publishers, comics have turned into a content farm. They don’t give a shit about comic sales, or how confusing shit is, they want to keep trying new arcs (conveniently usually long enough to fit as a standalone movie or TV season) by fitting various artists and writers together until something clicks and can be adapted to the big or small screen. This, however, is running into its own issue with the recent permeation of wokeness, forcing them to do unfortunate things like “actually adapting the female Thor nobody liked”.

That's because the ship has sailed. There was interest when superhero movies were first getting big with Spiderman and Marvel. It gave channels like Comic Tropes on youtube careers. Hell, that interest is probably responsible for lolcow Linkara being as successful as he is. All these guys do is explain comic books to people who are interested but haven't read them. If word of mouth was good, if customers had good experience, interest would have grown. Instead it withered away.

Barnes & Noble has graphic novels right next to the manga, it's just a much smaller section because they don't sell as well. There could be a big comics section at B&N but there isn't because there's not the demand. Why not? Convoluted stories that look nothing like the movies that got new audiences interested, crappy writing, and expensive and difficult to follow distribution methods.

You can whine all day about how something isn't selling because a big box store doesn't carry it, but that's backwards. Something has to show promising sales before the big box store will pick it up, and then the sales will grow exponentially, but if the sales aren't there to begin with, the big box store isn't going to make the major investment of stocking it. Especially in an already struggling field like print media.

Those are all factors, certainly. But the vast majority of normies certainly aren’t at the point where they walk into a comic shop, look at the selection and get confused and frustrated. The vast majority of normies probably don’t even know that comic shops are a thing unless they play MTG or something and get their cards from the same place.

Manga is sold in Barnes and Noble and is starting to make its way to big retailers like Walmart and Target. Comics are sold in tiny nerd stores that most people don’t even know exist. This, more than anything, is why comic sales are in the gutter.

The Manga vs Comics slap fight is never going to be a good one because Manga today is barely a quarter of the age comics are. Most major properties creators are still alive.

Forget the massive synergy in Japan between mediums, the sixty years of encouraging readership with a positive relationship between creators and consumers, and the lack of gate keepers because of a mono ethnic rather than poly ethnic country like America.

Let's just wait and see how Japan does when creators Toriyama or Nasu aren't around to watch their properties.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Combover? What's a combover? This isn't a combover you guys.

 

[Brother Maynard]

While I would not consider myself a mangafile by any means, I do know that many if not most if not all manga are created and owned by their creators, and when the story is done, or the creator dies, the property just stops and makes room for new blood. Something like that. They didn't continue Astroboy after Osamu Tezuka died (BTW, Astroboy first published in 1952, not long after comics were popularized in America), or Giant Robo (1967) when Mitsuteru Yokoyama died, or Lone Wolf and Cub (1970), etc. etc. etc.

They had their time, they live in history and are still read today, but they haven't been milked repeatedly generation after generation and bastardized by writers who have no true love for the original stories and characters.

It's kind of like if someone tried to turn 'a Christmas Carol' into a regular monthly series. 'the Continuing Adventures of Ebenezer Scrooge' sounds ridiculous, but it's essentially what we do with comics in America.

 

[Weeb Slinger]

Praise be to Christ (who is King). It's ComicsGate Cockney Rhyming slang!

Ethan Van Sciver - Fiver (monetary)
e.g: "I 'ad the CEO of DC Comics on the blower asking whether he can borrow an ethan 'til he gets paid next Friday, fucking wankah!"

Cecil Jones - Overdue loans (monetary, always plural)
e.g. "Nah, carn't spare it, mate. I'm up to me eyeballs in cecils."

Richard C Meyer - Irons in the fire
e.g: "Wolverine: Brunchageddon just got bumped from an ongoing title to a two-issue mini-series, but I've still got some other richards to keep the wolf from the door."

Jawbreakers - Quakers
e.g: "You can say what you like 'bout them breakers, but they make consistently good porridge oats."

Cyberfrog - Quilt tog (sales patter)
e.g. "I shit you not, mate, this is a 13.5-cyber duvet, stuffed with the finest frog down you'll find anywhere this side of 'Ackney . I'll slather me nob with sausage grease and let the greyhounds chase me round the track at Walthamstow Dogs if it's not up to scratch."

etc...

 

[Captain Manning]

Nasser, you fail to understand what you are in the grand scheme of things.

The reason Ethan props you up and always puts himself next to talentless hacks, people with zero charisma and just general pieces of shit, is because it makes himself look better by comparison. The same way a mean girl in high school will have a DUFF (Designated Ugly Fat Friend). It's just a microcosm of how faggoty CG has become.

I get what you're saying here, but I want to offer a modest counterpoint.

If Ethan surrounded himself with 10 Nassers, CG (and therefore Ethan) would benefit immensely from it because Nasser possesses the one quality that is sorely lacking in CG: Work ethic. Nasser gets his books out of time. And I don't think that can be attributed to Ethan, because so many other people in his court can't seem to manage this.

To be sure, many of the chucklefucks Ethan surrounds himself with make CG look bad, but I would respectfully disagree Nasser is in the same exact category because he doesn't contribute to CG's biggest fail of all. His general weirdness and caterpillar eyebrows is not what I first think of when I think of reasons why CG is gay and why I can barely feign interest in it anymore.