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Caster doesn't even have complete CAIS, he should never have been allowed to compete with the women. Most comprehensive source here about his biography and the conditions around him that enabled this.40 years before Caster, there was a skier who was diagnosed with the same. Caster was put on a cringy PR campaign and everyone cried he was a real woman:Poor boy who could run somewhat faster than most and then gladly took the hand the SA sports officials extended to him. His whole participation in any international sports event is part of a con. He was running with the boys when he was a child, his teachers used male pronouns for him, he played like a boy and even went through an icky girls phase.
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The skier from 40 years ago? He was stripped of his medals, decided to undergo surgery to "pull out his buried penis", changed his name from Erika to Erik and became a ski instructor when he was prevented from participating with the men.
And even men with complete CAIS still have the advantage of male pelvis positioning, male extremities proportions, male response times, male spacial perception and male muscles, like Maria Rodriguez Patino. I really feel for these people as individuals. But they aren't women. They are men with some funky DNA. And women who have higher testosterone and have no issues from it shouldn't be made to lower it.
@Marvin And people with actual CAIS like Dalea Rundblad or other intersex conditions can be women or whatever. The mentioned athletes aren't.
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CAIS is by far one of the most complex DSD because it involves both the Y and SRY gene. They all belong under the AIS umbrella. CAIS, despite the presence of the Y and SRY gene, does not lead to masculinization or Wolffian structures. If there are testes, they do not produce sperm, are undescended, and generally become tumorous. Like De La Chapelle syndrome, who can have fallopian tubes or even a uterus, those are males as they do not produce eggs and generally do not have Mullerian structures.Yes but technically all CAIS individuals are males. Let's get this clear from the start, I don't mean they shouldn't be treated as women, that's not something I'm arguing here. They did grow up as girls and naturally grow most but not all secondary female characteristics so women category makes most sense socially but biologically they are males. They have XY chromosomes, they have internal balls, balls that create sperm that can't mature and male hormone production. It's just their bodies can't react to those hormones. Reason they get so close females that the condition tends stay hidden till puberty and missing periods is that testosterone if not used turns into estrogen. This still isn't the same as female hormonal production and so CIAS don't grow completely like females but get very close. So like I said treating them as women makes sense but they are still males, males with screwed up hormones but males.
Those who suffer from CAIS will develop a clitoris, a labia, and a shallow vagina, but they do not have ovaries. These undescended testicles, suffering from androgen insensitivity, do not develop normally. So they are, in effect, just blobs of flesh. As a result, all CAIS sufferers are infertile.
CAIS and AIS are differentiated by the degree of masculinization. If you have PAIS, you will have functional testes and will produce sperm, and a tiny but workable penis. MAIS leads to normal male development.
CAIS sufferers do not develop Mullerian structures either, and where the uterus and fallopian tubes would be are empty pouches. However, since androgen receptors basically don't work, they are technically female despite the XY there. If the SRY is defective or does not work, then it still leads to feminization.
So I would have to say that CAIS leads to women, PAIS leads to males, and MAIS leads to males.
They are fully infertile; they produce neither eggs or sperm. Their undescended testes will become atrophic as they are present in a 'female' body. They must be removed or else they will become cancerous.No, they do produce sperm, it just doesn't mature beyond first stage so isn't anyway viable and just get reabsorbed. So they are sterile but that sperm production is still kinda there.
As said above, CAIS is really complicated. But from looking at the range of AIS, CAIS does seem to lead to females despite the presence of the Y and SRY. The SRY lead to those testes and AMH did not lead to fallopian tubes or other female anatomy but they have no prostate and no other male anatomy is present. They develop female bodies and do have higher-than-average testosterone.Apologies for overposting but it’s amazing how people attach the modern, fuzzy, useless concept of “gender” to what were obviously practical (if unfair and sexist) ways of dealing with property, inheritance, marriage, the running of farms, etc.
We were talking about the concept of the simulacrum in the Grace Lavery thread as it applies to trans surgeries and appearances and I think it applies here as well. No concept remains of the purpose of any of these “abnormal gender roles” and how they affected real life and contributed to the group’s survival and reproduction. Only the idea and the aesthetics of the role remain, detached from anything else.
In this conception, no one inherits land or works a farm or has children or marries or adopts relatives or performs any interconnected role in wider society as an integral part of these “gender roles.” Instead these “non-conforming” people are all just kind of floating there, alone, deracinated, waiting for trans people in the 21st century to adopt them as symbols.
The problem with this line of thinking is: if an adult male has injured testicles and they no longer produce sperm is SRY still “doing its job”? In CAIS, SRY did do its job but another gene fucked things up.
I feel bad for CAIS women but defining them as biologically female is nonsensical unless you define a whole bunch of other males as female as well. SRY sent them down the male path, just because their male path didn’t express itself right doesn’t mean they didn’t go down that path.
I covered this troon, he was the one holding the rifle to the mirror. As predicted, that icon is heavily Photoshopped. He looks like your average male twink in untouched photos.