Occupy movement

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Everybody knows all about the faggotry that was this "movement" which ultimately accomplished nothing of value. The Occupy Wall Street movement can be summarized as a group of college dropout hippies straight out of the 60's meandering over to the only street sign with just few enough letters written in the name that they can read it. They then bitch about other people having money, most notably by taking the route of being the moral majority by calling themselves the "99%" & reducing the richer populace down to "1%", when the reality is they unintentionally described themselves as bullies by doing so.

They demanded a wide range of very retarded things like $20.00 minimum wage. Clearly, these are the people that should be running the world.

Spoiler: List of 13 Demands from Occupy Wall Street protestors

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending “Freetrade” by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four: Free college education.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America’s nuclear power plants.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the “Books.” World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the “Books.” And I don’t mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.

I recognize that it's four years too late to really mock these people but I figured that this is honestly the only place where I could do it freely. I could never write this post on another forum. Then again, a four year gap isn't that much.

I'm sure that there are still remnants of this movement floating around who still do this kind of shit, especially given that the Occupy movement was not only nation wide but world wide, resulting in 7,700 arrests & 32 deaths.

 

[DykesDykesChina]

In early 2014 business brought me to the city of Cologne in the German state of North Rhine-Westphalia.

Upon re-discovering this city (for I had lived there as a child), I also visited the "Aachener Weiher" (Aix-la-Chapelle Pond), a rectangular expanse of water in a park which is a "protected landscape" meaning it is illegal to build anything there, even a doghouse. But obviously some people had found a way to get past this law, for near the pond I discovered this:

The words on the banner spell "Wir wachen Frieden", which is semantically incorrect German and translates to "We guard peace" which is semantically correct English but seems still sort of obscure as for its meaning.

"We are peace vigilantes", some of the ten or so people in this mini tent-village explained to me as I came closer. The introduced themselves as an offshoot of the Occupy Movement with a more radical agenda.

Remember the "Reichsbürgerbewegung" (Imperial Citizens' Movement) which I explained in the ADF subforum? These tent people believed in the same fairy tales (some proudly told me how they had burned their German passports and ID cards with one of them having actually tattooed the date of this deed on his arm) PLUS the diffuse idea stew of Occupy. Ultra the Multi-Lolcow, if you will.

Let's not bash them excessively, though: while obviously completely crazy, they still made some nice coffee for me, and in the evening, when I, out of idleness and curiosity, returned, prepared some hot vegan mush for me, which tasted like a mishmash of mashed plants but was at least quite nourishing.

They had gotten the permission to construct their tent village in this protected landscape park via a simple trick: They had announced themselves as a "permanent rally" to the police, and permanent rallies are considered a civil right. Nonetheless, when the mayor found out about this later he wasn't amused at all.

The aims of the "peace vigilantes" were in part inspired by the "Venus Project" by Jacques Fresco, a rather creepy vision of a sustainable future that is touted as a paradise on earth by Fresco and his fans but has unsettling trappings of an eco-dictatorship. It is based on the "documentary" Zeitgeist which is heavy on conspiracy theories. (As absurd as all this sounds -- and is -- there are still some ideas in Fresco's ideology which are interesting and deserve further study IMO.)

So, the TL;DR version of all this is: These semi-illegal campers wanted a Resource-Based Economy a la Fresco in a new German Empire free of the tyranny of the international financial elite. To achieve this end, they had exploited a legal loophole in order to set up a permanent base at the Aix-la-Chapelle Pond, for it is well known that every revolution starts with confused young men with dreadlocks and sketchy-looking middle-aged women (one of these performed a "charcoal ritual" while I was around in order to cleanse the environment of radioactivity) camping in a city park... OH WAIT I mixed something up, revolutions do not start that way, but still these "peace vigilantes" were extremely sure of their project. So sure, in fact, that they had prepared for a long-term stay. My tentative questions as to how they stayed clean and proper while living in a city park were answered with references to a recently-procured "solar shower" which turned out to be a black plastic bag which absorbed the sunlight and thus, when filled with water, turned it into warm shower water.

The Resource-Based German Empire Village was not meant to last. Late in 2014, it caught fire and burned down, luckily without injuring anyone.

The whole dissolution process could probably have been greatly accelerated via introducing ADF to this village. But introducing ADF to any human community is prohibited by the Geneva Conventions, no legal loopholes here.

 

[autisticdragonkin]

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending “Freetrade” by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four: Free college education.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America’s nuclear power plants.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the “Books.” World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the “Books.” And I don’t mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.

I never realized that occupy had such schizophrenic and inconsistent goals. I thought it was just about the 1% back when it was happening

 

[TheMightyMonarch]

Ugh. In early 2012, I took two classes that were partnered up together (American History post Civil War and Critical Thinking). The two teachers were two socialists that had a hard on for the Occupy Movement. The history teacher was a smug holier than thou liberal type who talked it about it endlessly on our second day of instruction instead of, you know, actually, talk about something relevant to the course. The other guy seemed nice enough but literally everything we read in that class was "X is a serious problem that was caused by capitalism but now since Occupy Wall Street is now here, X can be eradicated soon." God I hated both of those classes so much.

I don't deny that there's an equal distribution of wealth in the U.S. Nor do I deny that capitalism can cause some problems. But if capitalism were to vanish overnight, the world won't be a utopia. In fact, there might be new problems. Aside from shoehorning their agenda into the curriculum, they both put a lot of blind faith into this movement which even I thought at the time thought was dumb as hell. Before I took those classes, I had a neutral if understanding feeling towards the Occupy Movement. By the time the semester ended, I hated both the Occupy Movement and the clowns associated with it.

 

[DykesDykesChina]

I understand that one can see many problems with capitalism or present-day economy in general.

I do not understand how anyone can be so retarded as to believe that sitting on the street and screaming slogans is going to change anything about these problems.

 

[Wallace]

I understand that one can see many problems with capitalism or present-day economy in general.

I do not understand how anyone can be so retarded as to believe that sitting on the street and screaming slogans is going to change anything about these problems.

I consider Occupy to be a forerunner to online SocJus, in that both are more concerned with how they appear rather than actually making the world a better place.

 

[Randall Fragg]

I never realized that occupy had such schizophrenic and inconsistent goals. I thought it was just about the 1% back when it was happening

Yeah, it's like they have a few good ideas (ending the free trade nonsense, protecting America's economy against cheap foreigner labor, refurbishing our infrastructure, phasing out most fossil fuel use), and then they have the retarded shit like "no boarders! Forgive all debit! No nukes! Free stuff!".
Fucking hippies.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

I consider Occupy to be a forerunner to online SocJus, in that both are more concerned with how they appear rather than actually making the world a better place.

Also that neither actually know anything about making the world a better place.

 

[autisticdragonkin]

ending the free trade nonsense, protecting America's economy against cheap foreigner labor

How are those good ideas. Protectionism reduces economic surplus

Also doesn't the last one conflict with the no borders thing

 

[Positron]

Ugh. In early 2012, I took two classes that were partnered up together (American History post Civil War and Critical Thinking). The two teachers were two socialists that had a hard on for the Occupy Movement. The history teacher was a smug holier than thou liberal type who talked it about it endlessly on our second day of instruction instead of, you know, actually, talk about something relevant to the course. The other guy seemed nice enough but literally everything we read in that class was "X is a serious problem that was caused by capitalism but now since Occupy Wall Street is now here, X can be eradicated soon." God I hated both of those classes so much.

It's a predicament of our education system that these brain-dead fucks are allowed to teach and even get paid for that.

 

[VLAD]

The fun thing about Occupy was that it never actually had a concrete set of goals, objectives, or demands. Nobody could ever agree on anything.

It did manage to introduce the issue of America's income inequality to the mainstream media discourse. That's a significant accomplishment. But when your movement cannot properly articulate what it wants to see changed, that's a problem.

The first few weeks of Zucotti Park were pretty impressive to see. You had a lot of actual activists doing actual things, even if it was just donating books to a "People's Library" in a tent or fixing a few homeless guys some coffee or vegetable soup or whatever. But it never got anywhere beyond that.

By the end, it was just a sketchy, stinky, skeezy-ass crust punk tent city in the middle of the Financial District. I heard rumors a couple times of people taking advantage of nighttime to do fun recreational activities like stealing shit, shooting up, or finding someone to grope in their sleep.

I'm glad we're talking about how skewed the economic ratios are in this country. That's a problem that needs to be solved. But I don't think Occupy as a thing should be remembered with any fondness. And you're fucking deluded if you think it should be brought back again.

 

[TheMightyMonarch]

It's a predicament of our education system that these brain-dead fucks are allowed to teach and even get paid for that.

It's Berkeley of all places. Go figure.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Yeah, it's like they have a few good ideas (ending the free trade nonsense, protecting America's economy against cheap foreigner labor, refurbishing our infrastructure, phasing out most fossil fuel use), and then they have the retarded shit like "no boarders! Forgive all debit! No nukes! Free stuff!".
Fucking hippies.

Wouldn't ending free trade be the same as ending net neutrality? That sounds like a setup for some price fixing & monopoly bullshit.

 

[Too Many Crooks]

@MarvinTheParanoidAndroid -Your Strawman and generalizations would make Andrew Dobson weep with admiration.

 

[John Titor]

I don't have much of an opinion because I still can't make a heads or tails out of this whole deal. I do know is ADF tried to partake in this event and he made the protesters there feel uncomfortable. Oh and he got the attention of news outlets. Doesn't matter if Occupy Wallstreet was right or wrong, it was doomed from the start.

 

[AnOminous]

I don't have much of an opinion because I still can't make a heads or tails out of this whole deal. I do know is ADF tried to partake in this event and he made the protesters there feel uncomfortable. Oh and he got the attention of news outlets. Doesn't matter if Occupy Wallstreet was right or wrong, it was doomed from the start.

Occupy's greatest moment.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

@MarvinTheParanoidAndroid -Your Strawman and generalizations would make Andrew Dobson weep with admiration.

I posted sources, videos & their list of demands. Where's your evidence?