Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%
  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%

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There is talk that this is an elaborate ruse to ensure that there are plentiful Russian forces spread over Belarus in support of a Batka-ndectomy and the annexation of Belarus, but i don't think Putin would sink his credibility that much for such a marginal gain given Belarus is practically in his pocket already.

I tend to think Biden for once is right, the Russians are in fact going in, and the Ukrainian leadership are doing the Hitler in the bunker thing in terms of pretending they won't because they know they will lose and the west won't save them. Russia is going in because per this better summary than I could make:

Russia's current actions haven't solved or improved its most pressing problem, which means there is little reason to expect he will back down. Putin had hoped the US and NATO would force Kyiv to make concessions. That didn't happen so Russia will likely use force to compel Kyiv.

 
Invasion is off, they have a buster sword.

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Also it seems like Biden is really off his meds, the man is absolutely delusional. His handlers are letting him just run amok now and say whatever wild shit comes to his dementia-addled brain. There's nothing they can do to prevent the collapse of the Biden administration.

So is that sword made out of paper or photoshop? I hope this is a russian joke.
 
There is talk that this is an elaborate ruse to ensure that there are plentiful Russian forces spread over Belarus in support of a Batka-ndectomy and the annexation of Belarus, but i don't think Putin would sink his credibility that much for such a marginal gain given Belarus is practically in his pocket already.

That's very plausible, Lukashenko is dubbed "the last dictator of Europe", if Putin just decided to leave a lot of troops in Belarus, that's the point when you can't just ask them to leave. Lukashenko, despite being friendly to Russia has been a headache to deal with and there are many times when he snubbed Vlad trying to keep his fiefdom separate from motherland. One thing I can say for sure, no tears would be shed for Russian occupation and probably no reaction at all from the West. Russia won't need to run trains to Koningsberg through another country and place as many nukes there as they please.

Belarus almost "joined" Russia at least once, the framework is all there.

In terms of saving face and getting something out of this shit show showdown, soft occupation of Belaus is probably by far the best scenario for Putin going on now, that NATO is calling his bluff on Ukraine. I wander if this was the plan all along, because my main grip about him being an idiot was that puting forth unnattainanble goals as ultimatum. He needs to invade Ukraine, but staying in Belarus may be just as good if not better.

At least hated pindos won't be able to send their fifth fleet to Belarus (something that was talked about ... although Belarus is a landlocked country but "supplies" most seafood (it gets relabeled to avoid sanctions))


If the russkies are sending hospitals, then it's actually happening.

I just want to know what steps are there to keep this charade of escalation going, because everytime Russia does x, people say ok, now it's real. Vlad is almost out of troops. After hospitals, what about mobile refrigerators and massive warehouse of zink boxes, is that going to be the next step? I just want to know how far this escalation can go before an actual invasion.

Wake me when Vlad himself arrives to the border on a white horse to lead the invasion with saber in hand.
 
The millennials running the white house are about to unfriend Ukraine because they can't even?

"The White House and its Democratic allies have just about had it with president Zelensky. According to three sources in the administration and on the Hill, the Ukrainian president is by turns annoying, infuriating, and downright counterproductive."

 
I just want to know what steps are there to keep this charade of escalation going, because everytime Russia does x, people say ok, now it's real.
DE NILE is also a river in Egypt. Baba Pynia wants a war. A proper war of conquest.

He doesn't want any more blow, palaces and little kids.

He wants to be Vladimir Pyniamakh.
 
The guys of American Thinker seems to be very optimistic about what a war is unlikely.
January 28, 2022

Why a War Over Ukraine is Unlikely​

By Jacob Fraden

The whole world is waiting nervously for developments in Ukraine. Masses of Russian soldiers are engaged in "military exercises" near the Ukrainian border. "Siberian regiments" are being redeployed from the Far Eastern districts, just as they were sent to defend Moscow in 1941.
Russian propaganda stirs up the local population with a patriotic fervor, blaming Ukraine and the collective West for the heat of the international situation. The Ukrainian army, one of the strongest in Europe, is preparing to fight back, and the United States is planning to send eighty–five hundred soldiers to help the NATO countries in Europe. The bowstring is taut and the finger holding it can slip at any moment. The world is tense.
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Tense times in the Kremlin
Wars between countries have always started for fairly prosaic reasons: to seize someone else's land or wealth, out of lust for revenge, to proliferate their religion, ideology or political influence. The cause of the current conflict, like a patchwork quilt, includes all these factors: from Russia's imperial desire to expand its holdings to a primitive passion to avenge Ukraine's willfulness. However, if we take a sober look at the situation, none of these reasons alone, or even all of them together, are enough to start hostilities. Even if war breaks out and Russia achieves its military goals, the price of victory will be too high, so is it worth the risk of a Pyrrhic victory?
Although Russia has always been ready to pay the price for its desires, are those individuals who are comfortably ensconced at the top of power willing to pay any price themselves?

A country of mediocrities
Just as in the U.S., which has had a mediocre government for the last year (see my essay on this topic), in Russia, mediocrities have been flourishing for a long time. Unlike America, this did not happen spontaneously: Russian rulers have always selected their subordinates on the basis of having a simpler intellect combined with a stronger loyalty. Having such lackeys, it is safer to rule.
In the not-so-distant past Russia was a country of outstanding achievements in many fields: from literature and art to science and technology. After the Bolshevik coup of 1917, the Soviet leaders deliberately pursued a policy of a negative selection: talented people were either killed, or driven into exile, or, at best, forced to obey and serve. As a result of such selection the quality of the people decreased, while the intellectual potential of Russia fell to obscenely low levels.
Now the country at all levels is governed by mediocrities. The collective IQ factor of the Duma legislative body hardly exceeds the level of a mental hospital. Vladimir Putin is now virtually out of business; he has delegated the routine functions of the head of state to his mediocre subordinates, himself becoming a Kremlin recluse. The real power in the country is not with him, but with those who have money.

If most of the rich people in the U.S. made their millions and billions through hard work, managerial skills and intelligence, then almost all Russian nouveau riche got their money through financial fraud or by stealing it from the collapsed USSR. Ever since Stalin's time, the structure of the country's government has been modeled after the Mafia, where everything is ruled from the top by a "godfather". Any opposition to the "family" leads either to a physical elimination of the renegade or to his imprisonment.
Those who try to look into the affairs of the mafia and their possessions are eliminated mercilessly (many murdered Russian journalists, the attempts to poison Skripal, Navalny and other). The plundered country has long produced nothing but weapons; alas the weapons that they produce are based on the old Soviet-era designs, while most of the parts and materials are sourced abroad. All the supposedly newest weapon systems are nothing more than fiction to feed their own naive populace.
One of the reasons for this degradation is that there are very few highly qualified specialists left in Russia. Talented people try to find work abroad and leave the country at any opportunity. Huge profits from the oil and gas sales go to the pockets of those close to the trough, while the population gets only scraps from the table. The level of social and medical services, especially in light of the pandemic, is plummeting, and the prices of basic necessities are rising. Yet, the people there are still silent. For now.

The bad example
Potentially dangerous for the Russian authorities is the younger generation, infected with ideas of freethinking and unwilling to live the old way, like their parents. Unexpectedly, trouble came straight from the western and eastern neighbors where people resisted the corruption of their authorities (Belarus and Kazakhstan). This behavior could spread to the Russian population, too.
Of course, Belarusians and Kazakhs are not like the Russian people, who are used to a yoke and even love it. Russia's rulers, while not of high intelligence, still understand that a bad example is contagious. That is what they fear most.
The Russian authorities see only two possible solutions to the problem: either to buy off or to scare. The first one: to buy off the people means showering them with handouts. Yet, there is no way to do that — where can they get these freebies? The second solution: to impose on the country some scary disaster, which may unite the people and sweep under the carpet all the lesser troubles. This solution is more realistic: a kind of a sluggish war, or at least the occasional international tension would do.
For this purpose, Russia has long cultivated the image of an enemy who wants to "enslave and rob" the kind-hearted Russian people. The U.S. is perfect for this role. Indeed, say the Czech Republic or Japan would be too small to fit the image of a scary enemy. The Russian people's memory still holds the horrors of past wars, so propaganda feeds them with a made-up fear of NATO, under whose wing the ungrateful Ukrainians are striving to hide. So, they want to say: we must unite against the enemy, tighten our belts, and show Europe and the U.S. our strong fist.
The military mobilization and concentration of troops along the Ukrainian border is carried out to create an illusion of danger and to show everyone and most importantly its own population that “we are ready”. However, it’s impossible to keep the bowstring taut permanently: either the bowstring will snap, or a finger will accidentally slip and an arrow will fly, and then there will be a real trouble. While the army is on alert, in a relatively short time it will have only two options: either start fighting or pack their duffel bags and go home. Which one will they choose?

The price of war
If they choose war, what will it lead to? Of course, it makes no sense to think about nuclear war -- even the nitwits in the Duma understand this clearly, although publicly they say otherwise. Only a war with conventional weapons is plausible. Such "trifles" as the deaths of many thousands of Russian and foreign soldiers and civilians are of little concern for them. The trouble, however, is that the price of war would be too high. If only with the usual sanctions, like those that were already imposed, that would be half the trouble. Say, if Russia is banned from getting high technology, China will always offer some replacement. If, say, the ruble value falls further, not a big deal — the officials already have money stashed anyway in dollars in various banana republics.
But there is something that is really scary for those in Russia who have money and power — the West can cut off the payment system SWIFT. That will be the really painful problem! All their credit cards, all payments, money transfers would stop working. They can't go to abroad because of sanctions, and they would not be able buy anything from there with their own money. Billions of dollars will turn into nothing — it will be just impossible to spend them. That price of war would be too painful to bear. Thus, they would not allow their "godfather" to do that, and if he suddenly loses his sense and starts a war, then they would have to get rid of him, and no security detail would protect him.

Forecast
The Russian authorities need to show their own people the appearance of a victory. "Look," they want to say, "NATO, U.S. and Ukraine got scared and retreated. Our task is done, the enemy is fleeing, and therefore peace-loving Russia can withdraw its troops from near the border." For that propaganda Russia needs on the part of NATO and the US at least a tiny concession or a semblance of such. The chatterboxes from the "Ministry of Truth" will magnify it out of proportion and sing their hymn to the wisdom of the Leader. I believe that is exactly what will happen in the very near future. Thus, there will be no hot war between Russia and Ukraine.
Nor will there be peace, but that's another story.
Photo credit: Russia.ru
 
Well, looks like Germany is trolling some more. They sent Ukraine a field hospital. Makes perfect sense given the Germans' previous experience in the region.

 
Zelensky better dig up all the Burisma bullshit that Biden ordered him to bury when he first (((won))) the presidency and use it as collateral he can get lol

what's over/under that Zelensky still has his Israeli passport? He doesn't need to, Israel auto-recognizes any jew as their citizen and he qualifies (even without being simply rich)

It's also well known that Zelensky is Kolomoisky's bitch, the Ukrainian oligarch so corrupt that even US would not let him or his family into US. However with criminal charges pending against him in Ukraine, he was free and clear to travel as citizen of ... don't call me anti-semite.

This is the basic problem that I have when people on, khe khe khe ongress of US have dual citizenships to a country that has never extradited one of their own criminals.


DE NILE is also a river in Egypt. Baba Pynia wants a war. A proper war of conquest.

He doesn't want any more blow, palaces and little kids.

He wants to be Vladimir Pyniamakh.

He also thinks that he is immortal and will live for at least another 50 years.

Annexation "returning home" of Belarus would legit boost his ratings as it did with Crimea and ngl, I'd tip my hat to that asshole for a monumental play of misdirection. While everyone pissed themselves trying to evacuate from Kiev, Vlad took over another country without a shot being fired.

Ukraine can wait. With Belarus "home" Vlad can take a couple of years planning his further invasion into Ukraine. In this situation, time will be on HIS side.
 

Russia Sends Medical Units to Ukrainian Front​

Moscow says it sees little scope for optimism in U.S. proposals on Ukraine​



If the russkies are sending hospitals, then it's actually happening.
The major indicator to me is that the Russians refuse to budge on their original statement of “all of Eastern Europe out of NATO.” All of it.
 
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