Manosphere Jordan Peterson - Internet Daddy Simulator, Post-modern Anti-postmodernist, Canadian Psychology Professor, Depressed, Got Hooked on Benzos

:story: That's hilarious. Peterson treats The Simpsons like its some intricately plotted series and not some episodic sitcom.

1) Kinda funny how he thinks that without Nelson, the school would be overrun by "narsisistic, intellectuals like Martin Prince" as if it was a bad thing considering who Peterson is.

2) Nelson is a "corrective, a tough, self-sufficient..." kid? You mean the same kid who has a running gag of him constantly crying over his father's abandonment and having delusions about him coming back? I guess that counts as "pretty well" when your a druggo who'd rather be in a brain damaging coma than go through rehab.

3) Nelson only dated Lisa for one episode and it resulted in her dumping him because he was an asshole bully who was constantly lying to her (and its an episodic sitcom that resets to the status quo). Isn't that against one of the 12 rules about being truthful and not lying?
Technically Lisa/Nelson thing is referenced from time to time so it is more relevant to overall Simpsons "lore" than majority of other episodes. But yeah, his thoughts on Nelson sound like something you'd write after watching couple of episodes and reading wikipedia article.
 
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He said climate change is real. He understands it's real.
It should be obvious that it's a cope. We need to get out there and plant more trees, Communist taxes on big business aren't the answer.

Any meaningful response to climate change would require a more centralized and regulated economy, so he finds whatever reason he can to oppose it.

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WOO COAL.
 
I havent listened to the whole thing. Anyone know the timestamp for this part?

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Any meaningful response to climate change would require a more centralized and regulated economy

Yeah, the logic cuts both ways. Itt is a good example of why those who want a more centralized economy and planned economy, are all also in favor of the current climate change narrative.
 
I havent listened to the whole thing. Anyone know the timestamp for this part?

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I've watched through the three available videos on Rogan's channel and there's nothing like this there.
Besides I suspect @Cognitive Decline would have included it in his/her summary:
I listened to the Rogan podcast

Hour One
Abruptly starts with them talking about the podcasting process, which quickly switches to JP defending our current Liberal economic and political systems against radical environmental and social reforms. Reminds me of Steven Pinker's recent output, or something from Reason magazine. Mentions our amazing "accelerating" technological progress, without any examples. To me things in 2022 aren't much different from 2012, except with more mental illness and obesity. Phones and solar panels are cheaper and apps are more addictive though, I'll give him that.

Hour Two
Starts with JP crying (I'm only listening so I can't quite tell) while talking about people dancing and how it relates to the meaning of life. "Which is something like: to observe the harmonious interplay of the patterns of being, stacked on top of one another, and then to bring yourself into alignment with that."
Lots of bold, pseudo-philosophical claims about truth, The Good, success, and more, some of which Rogan doesn't seem to buy. JP's ideas on the causes of transgenderism: creativity and wanting to play pretend. It really doesn't hold a candle to the fine tranny scholarship conducted on this forum.

Hour Three
  • Complaining about twitter trolls, reflections on fame
  • Says during his benzo years he fainted 5 or 6 times a day
  • Says he doesn't like to talk about his carnivore diet because he doesn't recommend it to people and is not a dietician
  • Before said diet, Mikhaila was only awake 6 hours a day, and only that much thanks to Ritalin

Hour Four
JP says he has written 5 songs and a screenplay. We don't get to enjoy his talents here, though.
Comes back to praising his meat diet (that he doesn't like discussing). Mikhaila and Tammy now eat only "lamb and salt".
He hawks his wares:
  • an upcoming book
  • an app to help people write essays. "There's no difference between writing and thinking, and no difference between thinking and not failing".
  • hours of new lectures
Ends with a ramble about religion, psychedelics, the Columbine shooters, antidepressants, Serotonin, hierarchy, and cancel culture. I guess it makes sense to save your biggest hits for the finale. JP and Rogan encore with a reflection on the JRE podcast that quickly goes off on more pointless JP tangents. It's scary how incoherent his train of thought is here; it reminds me of when my diabetic teacher's blood sugar would drop too low and he stopped making any sense. Rogan has to cut JP off and the podcast finally ends for real a few moments later.

Until the last 15 minutes he doesn't seem that much worse than his past self. He's still recognizably the same mind that produced Maps of Meaning back in 1999
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Overall I didn't hear anything worth remembering in this performance, though.
 
(Unrelated but re: your username - do you think TM would have been a lolcow ala JP were he still alive?)
jej who even knows what kind of crazy shit he’d be saying if he was still alive. He’d definitely be a frequent guest on the JRE though lul. There aren’t many fun crazy people left, nowadays it seems like we only get the worst kind of crazy person. His brother is still alive but he’s a lot more dialed back.

I’m sure this image has been posted here already but I just saw it for the first time, kind of amusing:
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jej who even knows what kind of crazy shit he’d be saying if he was still alive. He’d definitely be a frequent guest on the JRE though lul. There aren’t many fun crazy people left, nowadays it seems like we only get the worst kind of crazy person. His brother is still alive but he’s a lot more dialed back.

I’m sure this image has been posted here already but I just saw it for the first time, kind of amusing:
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I won't be happy until I'm selected prime minister
Well...had he read 12 Rules for Life he would be prime minister now and not a brain damaged Benzos addict.
 
I cleaned up a ton off topic posts. Please try to stay on the topic of Jordan Peterson himself.

But I do have admit, I'm impressed with a derail that was so removed from the actual thread that it went into the discussion of Tom and Jerry cartoons.
 
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Yeah, the logic cuts both ways. Itt is a good example of why those who want a more centralized economy and planned economy, are all also in favor of the current climate change narrative.
This is apparently a joke, but you can imagine him saying that, can't you?
 
Not going to lie I think Peterson and Rogan are sort of match made in heaven but not on earth.

Peterson is the ur-example of sounding smart while not saying anything of particular value, while Rogan is the ur-example of regurgitating things that sound smart and packaging them in a sort of bro science way.

Unfortunately for Peterson, and perhaps fortunately for Rogan, they don't appear to be complimentary to each other when trying to sell their ideas to people. Rogan gave me an impression of humoring Peterson, as contrasted to the Ben Shapiro discussion where they both could talk smart-ish at each other and appreciate the other.

Watching Rogan felt like watching someone who was bored, terminally so, but doing something out of obligation or prior commitment.
 
Watching Rogan felt like watching someone who was bored, terminally so, but doing something out of obligation or prior commitment
When a group unites under a name and agrees to work together, you end up having to do some things due to prior agreement.

Like Rogan and the weinstein's intellectual dark web.
 

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I know the whole climate discussion got moved/deleted, and I don't want to restart it, but there's one more thought I had.

Peterson's essential point is "climate is the same as everything" because it's too encompassing a word and you can't really get all the variables 100% right. Isn't that the same for his area of expertise, clinical psychology? Psychology itself is also very encompassing and there are no ways to get all the variables 100% right. Everything in his field is an approximation. You can't for example identify how conscientious someone is, the big five being something Peterson talked about a lot. You can only identify how conscientious someone is compared to others and even that is a somewhat of an imprecise science.

Is his "it's too complicated" another "I don't know what you mean by god" kind of dodge to hint at deep thoughts, while in actuality, muddying the waters? Or am I missing something here?
 
Not Canadian... sounds very boring. Gonna skip this one. Peterson is living in the US, right?
Second-hand embarassment for pundits who use the word "crisis" all the time.

He spreads a lot of chaos for someone who preached against it.
Peterson's essential point is "climate is the same as everything" and can't really get all the variables 100% right. Or am I missing something here?
JP is not a scientist. Science works by creating hypotheses and testing them, not just challenging for the sake of it.

It's a looming problem. There is no answer which doesn't spell the end of his white picket fence, Judeo-Christian utopia.
 
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He isn't that badly published or cited:
His writings are actually pretty dull and repetitive. Hierarchies are everything and chaos and order is how we handle it.

Bobby Fischer was a genius and completely politically insane. Peterson took pains to downplay systemic and economic issues, and that was before he took benzos.
 
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Bobby Fischer was a genius and completely politically insane
Yeah, thinking that jews have a lot of control and influence, what a madman.

His writings are actually pretty dull and repetitive. Hierarchies are everything and chaos and order is how we handle it.
Isn't that pretty common for scientists?
 
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