Plagued COVID Conspiracy Theorists and other idiots - This is not a political thunderdome or gay slapfight thread.

[Fwiffo]

Because the viruses we see today very likely pale in comparison to the ones that died out thousands of years ago. This is going by the very topic above, they get weaker over time through mutation and pressure.

With that said, we are on year 3 of the pandemic, is corona killing more now or was it killing more at the start?

Ok let’s assume that’s true (it isn’t). You’re talking about thousands of years. I’m talking billions. Six orders of magnitude more. By your logic these viruses were elite killing machines that eradicated life within milliseconds of infection. But they weren’t. So sorry, but you’re wrong.

As for Covid, it depends on the strain, but the most recent omicron is less lethal while being very transmissible, while delta was slightly more lethal than previous lineages while still being “pretty” transmissible. So as it stands, you could say the general trend is toward less lethality.

If you stopped there, then that would prove your point. Now, here’s a big-brain science question for you: why can you NOT draw your conclusion from this data? Or more precisely, why would it be bad scientific practice? This will test your scientific literacy rather than knowledge of Covid.

 

[Wood]

If viruses get weaker over time, and they’ve existed for several orders of magnitude longer than humanity has, why are they still deadly?

But if monkeys evolve into people how are there still monkeys?

 

[potato in mah painus]

Ok let’s assume that’s true (it isn’t). You’re talking about thousands of years. I’m talking billions. Six orders of magnitude more. By your logic these viruses were elite killing machines that eradicated life within milliseconds of infection. But they weren’t. So sorry, but you’re wrong.

As for Covid, it depends on the strain, but the most recent omicron is less lethal while being very transmissible, while delta was slightly more lethal than previous lineages while still being “pretty” transmissible. So as it stands, you could say the general trend is toward less lethality.

If you stopped there, then that would prove your point. Now, here’s a big-brain science question for you: why can you NOT draw your conclusion from this data? Or more precisely, why would it be bad scientific practice? This will test your scientific literacy rather than knowledge of Covid.

Why would a million years ago be any different then thousands of years ago? The same pressures would have been applied, since viruses for the most part haven't evolved any new ways to infect hosts and still rely on said hosts to spread.

Also thanks for proving my point, highlighted in bold.

 

[BULLY HUNTER_77]

A&N is legit AUTISTIC about their stickers. I don't go to that side of the website much but when I do it's felt like some of the easiest updoots I've ever gotten in my life and all I did was make a few low effort black jokes

Any variation of "fuck niggers" or "41%" is enough to get you highlighted. On the normal lolcow boards you at least have to put in a moticum of effort if you want your post to get attention. Political spergs don't care about any of that shit and will just give you endless asspats so long as you conform to their delusions. That's how absolute dogshit posters who add nothing to site culture can have positive reaction score

They still petition Jewsh to give them back their tophats to this day so they can subsequently abuse them and revenge rate everyone again. They remind me of redditors with how much they care about their gay virtual credit score

IDK man, this thread is equally as autistic with their stickers. This very post itself got some very easy updoots.

Highlights here consist of "QBoomers" and "Nazis." All I see is an equal amount of political sperging on both sides. Users self-segregate, then give each other ass pats on their home court, then certain exceptional users only join the opposing thread to fling shit and gather neg-rates.

Of course users who spend most their time in their home court will have positive reaction scores. No point in letting it get under your skin.

 

[Fwiffo]

Why would a million years ago be any different then thousands of years ago? The same pressures would have been applied, since viruses for the most part haven't evolved any new ways to infect hosts and still rely on said hosts to spread.

Also thanks for proving my point, highlighted in bold.

Oh lord. Ok. Let’s try again.

Let’s say viruses two thousand years ago were twice as lethal as ones today. This means, if you back up time linearly, viruses two billion years ago WERE TWO MILLION TIMES more lethal. What does that even mean at that point? Do you see a viral particle floating in a forest and then BAM you’re dead? Your statement about viruses is nonsense.

Since you didn’t answer the question I posited to you, I’ll answer it for you: three years is too short a timespan to draw a meaningful conclusion. Once again, you misunderstand statistics, virology, epidemiology…

 

[AnOminous]

Basically he’s trying to justify 3 days of just incessant honking, street shitting, and acting like fucking retards by trying to claim all the bad actors are feds. Which is retarded cope.

Remember these spastics are based until they're the subject of an embarrassing news story, then suddenly they were feds all along. Pure tard logic.

Why do people have to always let us know how upset stickers make them? If you don't want as many stickers don't let on it upsets you because people will now just do it to fuck with you

When some retard whines about a rating I usually give them exactly that rating just to piss them off even more.

 

[potato in mah painus]

IDK man, this thread is equally as autistic with their stickers. This very post itself got some very easy updoots.

Highlights here consist of "QBoomers" and "Nazis." All I see is an equal amount of political sperging on both sides. Users self-segregate, then give each other ass pats on their home court, then certain exceptional users only join the opposing thread to fling shit and gather neg-rates.

Of course users who spend most their time in their home court will have positive reaction scores. No point in letting it get under your skin.

To be fair, thread raiding is fun. Especially when all it takes to piss people off is presenting an honest opposing viewpoint.

 

[Fwiffo]

But if monkeys evolve into people how are there still monkeys?

Monkeys don’t evolve into people. Monkeys and people share a common ancestor that was neither person nor monkey.

Did you read this quote somewhere and think it was like a “checkmate atheists!!” moment for you? I don’t think it means what you think it means

 

[AnOminous]

It’s that wild cats breed like absolute vermin and can and happily will devastate local species of birds, ruining the ecological balance.

Birds are vermin. Except for corvids. And the big apex predator birds of prey.

 

[BULLY HUNTER_77]

Monkeys don’t evolve into people. Monkeys and people share a common ancestor that was neither person nor monkey.

Did you read this quote somewhere and think it was like a “checkmate atheists!!” moment for you? I don’t think it means what you think it means

Dude, @Wood is fucking with you

 

[potato in mah painus]

Oh lord. Ok. Let’s try again.

Let’s say viruses two thousand years ago were twice as lethal as ones today. This means, if you back up time linearly, viruses two billion years ago WERE TWO MILLION TIMES more lethal. What does that even mean at that point? Do you see a viral particle floating in a forest and then BAM you’re dead? Your statement about viruses is nonsense.

I didn't answer the other questions because they were word salad, the fact you are firing that ridiculously bad conclusion at me makes me think you are just a bad actor here and not posting honest opinions.

 

[snailslime]

three years is too short a timespan to draw a meaningful conclusion. Once again, you misunderstand statistics, virology, epidemiology…

Not to mention the fact that the long-term effects of previous coronavirus strains (before COVID existed) have never, ever been good on any mammals.

In 10 years, we don't know whether or not those who had covid will have horrible heart issues.

 

[George Lucas]

Ok let’s assume that’s true (it isn’t). You’re talking about thousands of years. I’m talking billions. Six orders of magnitude more. By your logic these viruses were elite killing machines that eradicated life within milliseconds of infection. But they weren’t. So sorry, but you’re wrong.

As for Covid, it depends on the strain, but the most recent omicron is less lethal while being very transmissible, while delta was slightly more lethal than previous lineages while still being “pretty” transmissible. So as it stands, you could say the general trend is toward less lethality.

If you stopped there, then that would prove your point. Now, here’s a big-brain science question for you: why can you NOT draw your conclusion from this data? Or more precisely, why would it be bad scientific practice? This will test your scientific literacy rather than knowledge of Covid.

We have very little knowledge of viruses before the modern era, let alone millions of years ago. Just because viruses mutate and become less lethal, doesn’t mean they mutate to become less lethal. Evolution doesn’t have a goal. The propagation of life isn’t even a goal. It’s just the consequence of beneficial mutation. Evolution also doesn’t care about history. If some deadly virus existed years ago, it doesn’t mean some new deadly virus can’t come about now by chance. Over any given timespan you can see the appearance of new viruses and the attenuation of lethality for current ones. Given the facts we have, Wu-tyan is becoming less lethal, and viruses like Ebola and HIV are not becoming more lethal. HIV is about as mutagenic as Wu-tyan, so it stands to reason that Wu-tyan is very unlikely to become deadly.

This is all very basic Bio 101 shit.

 

[AnOminous]

Well, I'll leave you all to seethe and stew in your leavings. Will be back in two weeks to see who froze to death. Enjoy the honking, lol.

Lmao this has to be the most embarrassing farrago of seething and coping since Marjan Siklic's last meth frenzy.

 

[Emperor Julian]

my knowledgue of Virus' and whatnot is admittedly limited but don't they evolve far quicker than us because they re-produce a lot quicker?

 

[AnOminous]

Otherwise, why do viruses still kill us after so long?

Look at things like rabies. That can infect nearly any mammal. Also, it's nearly 100% fatal, but there's a period of insane, bitey behavior that tends to spread it.

Ok let’s assume that’s true (it isn’t). You’re talking about thousands of years. I’m talking billions. Six orders of magnitude more. By your logic these viruses were elite killing machines that eradicated life within milliseconds of infection. But they weren’t. So sorry, but you’re wrong.

Diseases that literally kill all their hosts before they can transmit cease to exist when they have no hosts.

Fun fact: the human genome is full of all kinds of weird shit like the broken genomes of previous retroviruses. Nearly 10 percent of your DNA is literally virus shit, but it's broken so it can't do anything (and you can not get infected with that probably extinct retrovirus even if it is still around).

 

[Fwiffo]

I didn't answer the other questions because they were word salad, the fact you are firing that ridiculously bad conclusion at me makes me think you are just a bad actor here and not posting honest opinions.

Nice try, but you were the one who said that viruses always, given time, mutate weaker. This is just wrong on every level, and I showed you how absurd you are by taking your conclusion to geological perspectives.

If you’re so certain of this, show me a study that shows that all viruses throughout the history of life on this planet get weaker. I’ll wait.

Dude, @Wood is fucking with you

oh I know. I like it when the cows produce their own milk, and if I can massage it out a bit, all the better.

 

[Quindoll]

I just want to point out that any mutation doesn't mean it MUST be milder. If you go by the Spanish flu as an example. The Spanish flu started with the first wave which was mild. The second wave was far more deadly.

It might be unlikely for that to happen but I can happen. So when new variants pop up it's better to be cautious until we can grasp the abilities of said new variant. That Omicron is so mild is one of the reasons that a few EU countries are now dropping their restrictions. But surprise, surprise. That only happened after they could evaluate the new variant properly. And to determine which impact it has on the healthcare infrastructure.

 

[potato in mah painus]

Nice try, but you were the one who said that viruses always, given time, mutate weaker. This is just wrong on every level, and I showed you how absurd you are by taking your conclusion to geological perspectives.

If you’re so certain of this, show me a study that shows that all viruses throughout the history of life on this planet get weaker. I’ll wait.

oh I know. I like it when the cows produce their own milk, and if I can massage it out a bit, all the better.

No you produced those absurd conclusions over geological scale yourself. I'm going by what is available on our current understanding of viruses, and what has been observed over the last 50 years. That is enough data to understand what is the norm, and yet you keep claiming its all wrong.

So with that said, we have a opportunity to prove who is wrong and who is right on this. Lets see what corona does over the next two years. If its followed in the footsteps of what we understand currently of pathogens, it won't be a threat any more.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

The only selection pressure on viruses is spreading faster because guess what that's how they become the dominant strain. Weaker mutations just peter out.

This can be either through increased virulence (which usually makes them more deadly) or increased transmissibility or becoming less deadly for the host or evading memory T-cells from a prior infection from a different strain.

The elephant in the room is that Omicron isn't actually that much less deadly than the original strain for people who are unvaccinated and have no prior infection. There may have been something happening over the past two years other than mutation to explain why the mortality is lower.