The Sektur's Senate - Meta thread. Previously JCaesar's Senate.

[Null]

is my belief that you could reasonably get rid of doxx on the website and the main flavor of the website would be unaffected.

"you could institute arbitrary censorship about personal information and the site would not be affected"
ok. bad opinion.

 

[Top Skink]

It is my belief that you could reasonably get rid of doxx on the website and the main flavor of the website would be unaffected. Heck, I believe more people would be willing to defend the website as a whole if doxxing was removed.

It is also my belief that only a-logs seem to have an active interest in doxxes, and it only seems to encourage a-log behaviour. Archiving lolcows is good. if their doxxes happen to be there that is fine, but actively looking for or promoting the search for doxxes is appearing to actively be at the detriment of the website.

Exhibit A: Count Dankula being unable to support the website wholeheartedly (I am vaguely aware that Dankula has personal beef for some reason, but he would otherwise be forced by his beliefs to support the website).

Exhibit B: During the Byuu debacle nobody would give the website a full throated defense, silence speaks volumes about people's feelings. My thoughts is that overall Doxxes are just not fun, and nobody wants to support something they fear.

"more people who don't use the site and have no interest in doing so would be willing to defend the site if it bowed to their whims and got rid of all the things that don't cater to their ends"

dankula already is forced to support the site by his "beliefs" and doxxxxxx is just an excuse. He won't support the site because people call him a faggot that jacks off to anime/loli porn and thinks the literal pedophile shadman is/was is the hero of freeze peach because porn is based. he's a faggoty brit whose faggoty brit opinions should be ignored.
Same thing with byuu, people's "beliefs" and principles would've clearly compelled them to speak in defense of the site. But they stay silent, why? Because they don't like that the site is a meanie poopoo hate farm where people say mean things about twannies, minowities, and othew pwotected gwoups. how evil.


dox was, is, and ever shall be just an excuse. Without fail, every single dox is the result of the person freely revealing information about themselves. There's plenty of creators that haven't been doxed because they just take time to do their due diligence, and what's more if you're so uncomfortable with personal information being posted, maybe just stop trying to be an internet celebrity.
The idea that perfectly legal information should be banned is not only patently retarded, it's dangerous and the first road to making a forum hell. Let's say nool does decide he wants to be best buddies with count dankula and bans all dox, how long before faggots like you step in to say we can ban hate speech and stop me from calling you a faggot and the main flavor of the site would be unaffected?

 

[TyrasGuard]

"you could institute arbitrary censorship about personal information and the site would not be affected"
ok. bad opinion.

I think the point he was trying to make is that ultimately doxxing does nothing for the entertainment value of lolcows to the point where you could get rid of it entirely and nothing of value would be lost. It's still information that can be easily found if one wanted to do so. Sometimes omitting something because it adds nothing isn't censorship, at least IMHO.

But maybe that's just me, i don't really care to know where a lolcow lives.

 

[Soulless Manniquin Esq.]

"you could institute arbitrary censorship about personal information and the site would not be affected"
"more people who don't use the site and have no interest in doing so would be willing to defend the site if it bowed to their whims and got rid of all the things that don't cater to their ends"

dankula already is forced to support the site by his "beliefs" and doxxxxxx is just an excuse. He won't support the site because people call him a faggot that jacks off to anime/loli porn and thinks the literal pedophile shadman is/was is the hero of freeze peach because porn is based. he's a faggoty brit whose faggoty brit opinions should be ignored.
Same thing with byuu, people's "beliefs" and principles would've clearly compelled them to speak in defense of the site. But they stay silent, why? Because they don't like that the site is a meanie poopoo hate farm where people say mean things about twannies, minowities, and othew pwotected gwoups. how evil.


dox was, is, and ever shall be just an excuse. Without fail, every single dox is the result of the person freely revealing information about themselves. There's plenty of creators that haven't been doxed because they just take time to do their due diligence, and what's more if you're so uncomfortable with personal information being posted, maybe just stop trying to be an internet celebrity.
The idea that perfectly legal information should be banned is not only patently retarded, it's dangerous and the first road to making a forum hell. Let's say nool does decide he wants to be best buddies with count dankula and bans all dox, how long before faggots like you step in to say we can ban hate speech and stop me from calling you a faggot and the main flavor of the site would be unaffected?

I disagree, this isnt a slippery slope. The website would be extremely affected if we started banning hate speech all of a sudden. The website wouldn't be fun and a lot of what makes it special would be lost. If you weren't allowed to call me a faggot and use uwu speech at me, then this would be a less interesting website overall, period.

Doxxing is personal, it singles out and strips people of their first defense online. Now moralfagging or legality aside... Nobody likes being unsafe. It's a big reason why some arguments never wear out in public usage, muh children being an example despite it's mockery online.

In my view minimizing doxxing and it's visibility on the site is good, although removing it completely over time would be better. Perhaps giving doxx a set timer before its taken off the OP.

My main point in even saying anything is to perhaps minimize a-logging behaviour, help with the website's public image, and make it a little more comfy.

I brought up Dankula only because he was an example of someone who had publicly voiced a reason as to why he wouldnt support Kiwi Farms, and I would suspect his views are representative of other people, thus why I brought up the Byuu situation and the silence we got despite the bogusness of the situation. Dankula just so happens to be more willing to say something as a result of having already being on Scotland's shitlist.

To reiterate
Im not saying kiwi farms needs to cater to celebrities @Terrorist
I'm saying minimize the a-logging, I'm sorry for not communicating well.

 

[Kramer on the phone]

It is my belief that you could reasonably get rid of doxx on the website and the main flavor of the website would be unaffected. Heck, I believe more people would be willing to defend the website as a whole if doxxing was removed.

It is also my belief that only a-logs seem to have an active interest in doxxes, and it only seems to encourage a-log behaviour. Archiving lolcows is good. if their doxxes happen to be there that is fine, but actively looking for or promoting the search for doxxes is appearing to actively be at the detriment of the website.

Exhibit A: Count Dankula being unable to support the website wholeheartedly (I am vaguely aware that Dankula has personal beef for some reason, but he would otherwise be forced by his beliefs to support the website).

Exhibit B: During the Byuu debacle nobody would give the website a full throated defense, silence speaks volumes about people's feelings. My thoughts is that overall Doxxes are just not fun, and nobody wants to support something they fear.

If this was a decade ago i'd agree with you, but Null was terribly forward thinking, it used to be near impossible to find a pornstar's personal info and now its listed right under their stage name on google. Donny Long got out A-logged by search engines. Same with most e-celebs now. There are way fewer Metokurs emerging online, internet pseudo-anonymity is basically gone, you show your face and are big enough you get doxxed. simple as. On the flip side most won't give a fuck about leaking your info if you don't give them a reason to. Godwinson basically just doxxed himself for that reason. Gator is a similar example. Just as the age of the A-log has vanished so has the threat of doxxing by the public. Its the feds who would have tracked you down regardless that you really need to worry about. Like your point about Dank. No sperg has fucked him harder than the government and they can find him better than anyone. even something like the UK version of a SSN would have been demanded and rec'd by the feds who would then fuck him.

I think Doxxing is one of those old fears of the wild west of the internet, like viruses or spam, 99.99% of people won't have to worry about it in post 2015-internet world and the .01% that do should have the brains to have protections in place. If you're going to be an asshole at least make sure its not towards the types of people who will track you down and fuck you hard. Look how many boomers fedpost online on facebook without a lick of consequences, meanwhile you start roasting the wrong trannies or say an employee that almost killed your child and you're fucked. Basically we moved from "no bad tactics" to "no bad targets" Instead of doxxing being used on every annoying teenager that walked into the cool parts of the internet, its now exclusively used on people that would have been fucked with irregardless. hell Kiwifarms would be way more successful and normalized if it just didn't allow threads on lefty lolcows. its not the doxxing thats the problem, its the anti-tranny bullshit that really fucks the site. Even Null sort of admits it, the A&H stuff is what causes most of his headaches about this site. No one is crying about Ethan Ralph or Fuentes getting mocked and doxxed and fucked with.

 

[Null]

To 'ban' doxing would require laying out what is and is not allowed. Does a name count if someone goes by a handle? What about tranny deadnames? Is it just addresses? What if they've publicly listed their address elsewhere? What if they're a business address or PO Box, is that allowed? Who decides what addresses are OK and what aren't? Do I open up a removedox@kiwifarms.net for every single person to start filing complaints about what's on the site? Are you going to pay me for the time I spend evaluating these?

No. Stop being dumb.

 

[Terrorist]

It is my belief that you could reasonably get rid of doxx on the website and the main flavor of the website would be unaffected. Heck, I believe more people would be willing to defend the website as a whole if doxxing was removed.

It is also my belief that only a-logs seem to have an active interest in doxxes, and it only seems to encourage a-log behaviour. Archiving lolcows is good. if their doxxes happen to be there that is fine, but actively looking for or promoting the search for doxxes is appearing to actively be at the detriment of the website.

Exhibit A: Count Dankula being unable to support the website wholeheartedly (I am vaguely aware that Dankula has personal beef for some reason, but he would otherwise be forced by his beliefs to support the website).

Exhibit B: During the Byuu debacle nobody would give the website a full throated defense, silence speaks volumes about people's feelings. My thoughts is that overall Doxxes are just not fun, and nobody wants to support something they fear.

Gator, Ralph, Dax, Dankula etc were all very pro-KF when the attention was on people they didn’t like or their ideological opponents. When deserved scrutiny came onto them and their friends, they turned against KF. Live by the dox, die by the dox. Dankula now believes doxxxing should be illegal because his tranny friend doesn’t want its deadname and pictures of it gaping its asshole going around; should we respect that request?

If we wanted support from these people, we’d have to pick favorites and limit negative discussion of them while trashing their enemies, more or less acting as their personal army. That’s not a direction the site should go in IMO.

And I don’t think KF will ever have “good optics”. If exposing zoosadists and pedos didn’t rehab our image in the mainstream, then eliminating doxxxes won’t.

 

[Top Skink]

I disagree, this isnt a slippery slope. The website would be extremely affected if we started banning hate speech all of a sudden. The website wouldn't be fun and a lot of what makes it special would be lost. If you weren't allowed to call me a faggot and use uwu speech at me, then this would be a less interesting website overall, period.

Doxxing is personal, it singles out and strips people of their first defense online. Now moralfagging or legality aside... Nobody likes being unsafe. It's a big reason why some arguments never wear out in public usage, muh children being an example despite it's mockery online.

In my view minimizing doxxing and it's visibility on the site is good, although removing it completely over time would be better. Perhaps giving doxx a set timer before its taken off the OP.

My main point in even saying anything is to perhaps minimize a-logging behaviour, help with the website's public image, and make it a little more comfy.

I brought up Dankula only because he was an example of someone who had publicly voiced a reason as to why he wouldnt support Kiwi Farms, and I would suspect his views are representative of other people, thus why I brought up the Byuu situation and the silence we got despite the bogusness of the situation. Dankula just so happens to be more willing to say something as a result of having already being on Scotland's shitlist.

"it singles out and strips people of their first defense online"
Well if it's such a valuable line of defense why don't they just not abandon it? I repeat, doxing comes from statements and posts made by the person being doxed. Nobody's hacking into their accounts or whatever the fuck to blackmail them, it's just some retard telling people where they are, and people write it down. Having a dox isn't a weapon, it isn't a threat. It's going "oh, this person lives in abject squalor and tells people about it, that's funny."

If all you can think about a dox is it being used as a weapon, that's on you. I for one have seen plenty of dox and never once desired to go to people's homes or whatever the fuck. If anything, I've learned it need to stay away from Memphis, LA, Canada, Chicago, and Germany because it turns everyone living there into retards. A dox isn't a threat and the people viewing it as such need to get over themselves- and hell, if you really are that afraid, get off the fucking internet you mongoloid. Dox being an evil horrible weapon is intentionally played up by people because they don't like it reminds them people can see them as they are rather than how they'd like to be seen, nothing more.

What a-logging behavior? The spergs in Ralph threads accusing every dissident opinion of being gaydurr aren't going to stop if Ralph's address is removed. The site's public image as a stalking harassment forum would be untouched if dox was removed- still harassing for hate speech, still stalking online, neither of the claims are founded in reality to begin with and trying to reason with the bad-faith actors accusing the site of being such is, I hope you can see, beyond retarded. And the site already is comfy, sit by the fire and laugh at a silly person acting silly.

You're dead right on one account, though- Dankula's views absolutely are representative of other people. Him and every other thin-skinned weirdo that gets made fun of on here are all have the same line, calling the forum evil and hateful and illegal for any illogical reason they can muster because, at its core, they don't like that people are laughing at them.
And also yes losing dox would absolutely be as bad for the site as not being allowed to call you and everyone else who is a nigger a nigger. If I can't laugh at every tranny trying to legally change their name, crack a joke at every crack shack cows claim are castles, or make fun of convicted pedophiles and felons becoming minecraft youtubers, what the fuck am I left with?

 

[Soulless Manniquin Esq.]

To 'ban' doxing would require laying out what is and is not allowed. Does a name count if someone goes by a handle? What about tranny deadnames? Is it just addresses? What if they've publicly listed their address elsewhere? What if they're a business address or PO Box, is that allowed? Who decides what addresses are OK and what aren't? Do I open up a removedox@kiwifarms.net for every single person to start filing complaints about what's on the site? Are you going to pay me for the time I spend evaluating these?

No. Stop being dumb.

Nah, that would obviously be a waste of time and money, I think that while doxx can be incidentally put in, it is in my view that in a way we encourage a-logging via the posting of personal addresses and phone numbers on purpose. Instead we try to discourage doxx, it's already helpful that we have recently put a lot of dox behind spoilers for account holders only.

Essentially Im pointing out an issue I see,
Here is my stupid opinion on what could be done to help the issue.
perhaps you could pull a lowtax and put the doxx behind a paywall, then it would be worth the time to go through it, give incentive for people to pay you for true and honest roles. Bad Actors are disincentized to just come on your website and use it like a personal army (example: Adezero and her shit napkin bf). Perhaps only True and Honest can make/edit OPs while we plebians can still comment on things and post threads in certain boards. Cut down on the avalanche of shit that gets put out.

These are just spitballs, but it may be a longshot. Otherwise I guess we keep doing things as we usually do.

 

[Topgallant]

Dankula now believes doxxxing should be illegal because his tranny friend doesn’t want its deadname and pictures of it gaping its asshole going around;

Is that the real reason? I thought he was just afraid of Scottish antifa showing up at his house.

Then again, I've always wondered if his troon obsession and anectdotes were just ironic or Nick Fuentes style "ironic".

 

[Matt Damon]

perhaps you could pull a lowtax and put the doxx behind a paywall,

"Kiwifarms now selling dox to hackers on steroids! Making thousands off the suffering of innocent trannies!"

How is this not obvious to you? And that's completely ignoring all the logistical issues with payment processing.

 

[MoeChotto]

we

Essentially Im pointing out an issue I see,
Here is my stupid opinion on what could be done to help the issue.
perhaps you could pull a lowtax and put the doxx behind a paywall, then it would be worth the time to go through it, give incentive for people to pay you for true and honest roles. Bad Actors are disincentized to just come on your website and use it like a personal army (example: Adezero and her shit napkin bf). Perhaps only True and Honest can make/edit OPs while we plebians can still comment on things and post threads in certain boards. Cut down on the avalanche of shit that gets put out.

These are just spitballs, but it may be a longshot. Otherwise I guess we keep doing things as we usually do.

Dox are already behind a paywall on Spokeo and WhitePages and any other resources people use to find personal info. Again, nothing is gonna stop someone who wants to fuck with someone else from coughing up $5 for a month of WP membership. And if there's a paywall on this site, then Null is profiting off of doxing, which (given how you're so concerned with optics) looks a LOT worse than names and addresses and phone numbers just already incidentally being on the website. This is not to mention the logistical nightmare that would be getting all dox on the website behind paywall tags (hell, people barely use the Private tags as it is) and keeping it that way going forward.

Besides, Null imposing a paywall just sounds like a slimy grift and tons of users will call him a faggot and leave.

 

[A Ghost]

perhaps you could pull a lowtax and put the doxx behind a paywall,

because pay walling a form worked so well for SA and lowtax

 

[Soulless Manniquin Esq.]

because pay walling a form worked so well for SA and lowtax

It did unironically. He made thousands

Lowtax didn't learn, and made many really retarded decisions before simply letting his website get taken over by people who gave a shit about it more than him.

@Null, just dont become a pillhead and you'll be fine

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

Is that the real reason? I thought he was just afraid of Scottish antifa showing up at his house.

Then again, I've always wondered if his troon obsession and anectdotes were just ironic or Nick Fuentes style "ironic".

I’m pretty sure Dank moved out to the sticks so even his address was out their it’s not like an antifa members mother would be willing to drive all the way. Also if you look on his Twitter he is in Glasgow quite often and each time without incident so he’d be fine either way.

 

[Retrodogkiller]

It did unironically. He made thousands

Lowtax didn't learn, and made many really retarded decisions before simply letting his website get taken over by people who gave a shit about it more than him.

@Null, just dont become a pillhead and you'll be fine

Good idea @Null ban this faggot and make him pay 500$ to come back.

 

[Capt. Jean Luc Ritard]

@Null, just dont become a pillhead and you'll be fine

Devil's advocate here: you should become a pillhead.

 

[Top Skink]

then it would be worth the time to go through it, give incentive for people to pay you for true and honest roles.

Ah yes, only now, once dox is behind a paywayll, do we *finally* have a reason to throw a little cash to the site runner

 

[AnOminous]

Besides, Null imposing a paywall just sounds like a slimy grift and tons of users will call him a faggot and leave.

Ironically there would probably be fewer donors if there were a paywall, meanwhile there are numerous paypigs (including me) who just occasionally buy some rando a T&H anonymously or otherwise.

 

[Soulless Manniquin Esq.]

Ironically there would probably be fewer donors if there were a paywall, meanwhile there are numerous paypigs (including me) who just occasionally buy some rando a T&H anonymously or otherwise.

I mildly disagree, but considering the response I've recieved for the suggestion, you might be correct.
Imo, why host something for free that actively makes you a target? Heck, I'm not even advocating that the entire site gets paywalled, just certain parts that cause problems already and make life difficult for the site.

I'm content in simply putting the idea out there, and letting Null mull it over. A lot of people think im stupid, but apparently some people forget that Lowtax made thousands of dollars and almost never had to worry about money until he literally started spending it faster than he got it on shit like drugs, alcahol, an expensive mansion, an unneccessary office, Divorces, children, and weird food binges.

Consider the jewry
Also consider that even Jim had to come down off his high horse and ebeg at some point. Jawsh has already been ebegging, but he might as well make it a service or something.