The Final Fantasy Thread

A bit late to mention it, but Final Fantasy VII has officially turned 25 years old.

Not sure if I'm allowed to say this, being someone who only just finished it one month before it turned that age, but I truly do believe that it has stood the test of time and earned its reputation of being a masterpiece. Heck, after finishing it for the first time last month, it easily became one of my all time favorite video games period, right up there with other favorites of mine like Zelda Breath Of The Wild, Metal Gear Solid 2, Nier Automata, Devil May Cry 3, Shadow Of The Colossus, Deus Ex, Doom, Call Of Duty 4, etc.

Thoughts on it? Where does it rank for you, if it even does?
It’s a great game. Not my personal favorite FF, (that goes to IX. I think VII is tied in third place with VI with X being second favorite) but it’s highly regarded for a good reason.

It was my first Final Fantasy and properly introduced me to the series.
 
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A bit late to mention it, but Final Fantasy VII has officially turned 25 years old.

Not sure if I'm allowed to say this, being someone who only just finished it one month before it turned that age, but I truly do believe that it has stood the test of time and earned its reputation of being a masterpiece. Heck, after finishing it for the first time last month, it easily became one of my all time favorite video games period, right up there with other favorites of mine like Zelda Breath Of The Wild, Metal Gear Solid 2, Nier Automata, Devil May Cry 3, Shadow Of The Colossus, Deus Ex, Doom, Call Of Duty 4, etc.

Thoughts on it? Where does it rank for you, if it even does?
Only just played it a couple years ago but I think it’s great, worthy of all the praise. Doesn’t beat X for me though.
 
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A bit late to mention it, but Final Fantasy VII has officially turned 25 years old.

Not sure if I'm allowed to say this, being someone who only just finished it one month before it turned that age, but I truly do believe that it has stood the test of time and earned its reputation of being a masterpiece. Heck, after finishing it for the first time last month, it easily became one of my all time favorite video games period, right up there with other favorites of mine like Zelda Breath Of The Wild, Metal Gear Solid 2, Nier Automata, Devil May Cry 3, Shadow Of The Colossus, Deus Ex, Doom, Call Of Duty 4, etc.

Thoughts on it? Where does it rank for you, if it even does?
7,9 and 10 are my 3 favorite of the series. I can't pick one that leads the pack though since they all have some issues that I sperg over:

7 is the only one if the 3 that I actually beat, but as others have said the pacing flubs.

9 is the one I haven't played the longest. I remember enjoying it but that game is so damn slow. I need to get around to playing with the PC port.

10 has an excellent word and I think the pacing is pretty solid, but good lord that dub. The older I get the less I can tolerate bad voicework.
 
Thoughts on it? Where does it rank for you, if it even does?
Final Fantasy VII is probably my second or third favorite Final Fantasy game depending on how I feel about Final Fantasy IV on any given day. The best Final Fantasy is Final Fantasy VI by a country mile. It's almost perfect and if Chrono Trigger and Grandia were never made it might be the best JRPG. Final Fantasy VII is good though. I am very fond of the synergy between weapon/armor equips and materia equips. Even the minigames are enjoyable.

I also liked Final Fantasy III a lot but your mileage may vary on that one.
 
So I’m not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but...
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Now of course this is what he hopes to do rather than a confirmation, because we all know what square promised with FFXVI and they didn’t do what they promised. This game has been in development since 2019 so it could be a good time to reveal.
 
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Now of course this is what he hopes to do rather than a confirmation, because we all know what square promised with FFXVI and they didn’t do what they promised. This game has been in development since 2019 so it could be a good time to reveal.
Wouldn't be surprised since it'll soon be two years since part 1, although I thought Final Fantasy XVI would release first.
 
Wouldn't be surprised since it'll soon be two years since part 1, although I thought Final Fantasy XVI would release first.
FFXVI will absolutely be released first. I doubt we’ll have a five year gap between reveal and release like they did with Part 1, but I don’t think it’s going to beat XVI to market.
 
As someone who genuinely liked the Remake, I am legit excited to see how they do Nibelheim. People keep unfairly shitting on Seph's new VA (he's fine) and it would be a good way for him to showcase some more dramatic stuff to shut people up.

...but what the fuck do I know, Part 2 is probably still years away from completion, reveal or no.
 
Maybe it's just because I haven't really experienced much of Nomura and Nojima's antics to get all that concerned or upset about it, but I am looking forward to seeing the direction the Remakes are gonna go. I'm all for seeing new interpretations, and I can't deny that Part 1 got me really intrigued.

And hey, if it turns out as a trainwreck, I can at least go back to the original, and laugh at how the new games unfolded.
 
A bit late to mention it, but Final Fantasy VII has officially turned 25 years old.

Not sure if I'm allowed to say this, being someone who only just finished it one month before it turned that age, but I truly do believe that it has stood the test of time and earned its reputation of being a masterpiece. Heck, after finishing it for the first time last month, it easily became one of my all time favorite video games period, right up there with other favorites of mine like Zelda Breath Of The Wild, Metal Gear Solid 2, Nier Automata, Devil May Cry 3, Shadow Of The Colossus, Deus Ex, Doom, Call Of Duty 4, etc.

Thoughts on it? Where does it rank for you, if it even does?
Of the Final Fantasy series, most definitely tied for second place favorite, sharing a spot with FFV and surpassed by FFVI.

Granted I think some of the praise it has earned is a bit overblown and I think a not insignificant part of said praise is due to simply coming along at the right time.
 
Speaking of Final Fantasy VII, I came to realize a couple of months ago that this particular song is both my favorite in the entire game, and probably my favorite peaceful song, like, across all music in general:
(It's from when you're trekking through Mt. Corel)
 
Thoughts on it? Where does it rank for you, if it even does?
"Attack while it’s tails up!” :stress:

It was a huge departure and different from everything else at the time.

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The slums of Midgar are stuck in my mind. A sci-fi dystopia with Japanese sensibilities. The pre-rendered backgrounds were unheard of. The world was alive and felt mature.
Doesn’t beat X for me though.
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Thoughts on it? Where does it rank for you, if it even does?
I'd say it's the best one for me. Even if I disagreed verbally the fact is it's the only one I'm invested in at all beyond enjoying it. It's the only one I'm willing to put up with, as little as I do, the obnoxious fanbase and development habits that attend it.

And it is actually really good storytelling that I don't think the series has ever fully recaptured. Where everything "ambiguous" can be determined by its proximate ambience or its structural qualities. You know things about Cloud long before you actually get to know him fully because his motivations can be generalized beyond the strict confines of his life's story. There's a payoff to these things, or an unbroken inertia. He's defined first by his actions, then later the emotional context he had to take action. Similarly you know who all the other characters are by how they're deconstructed but still able to function. And you know who or what the game gives utmost authority to by what they refuse to deconstruct despite showing an aptitude for doing so.

I think that's why I dislike the fanbase and to a lesser extent the compilation. It tends to get all of this backwards. Characters become walking biographies whose present actions are almost perfunctory. The things that are deconstructed or heavily subverted are taken for granted as if they weren't, and the things that aren't deconstructed at all receive the most editorialization. That last one being more on the fanbase side than the actual production because I do think Square still cares about the title (and just has a funny way of showing it).
But even having these bitter feelings proves I care much more. I could say the same about many declining franchises but I don't because I simply moved on.
 
Indeed.

It may be hard to realize nowadays, but FFVII was practically a deconstruction of the typical JRPG storyline that was popular during the 90s. Cloud himself I think is really intriguing because when you get right down to it, he's little more than just another joe-average soldier who got caught up in the wrong place at the right time (him actually beating Sephiroth on their first encounter, not Zack), had his memories tampered with, and when he was pushed to the breaking point, literally ended up role-playing as his hero to cover up his weaknesses.

When playing the game for the first time last year, having experienced many other games that have done similar twists and deconstructions of the media, I realized that Cloud predated characters like Raiden from Metal Gear Solid 2 and Jack from Bioshock, yet his character covered very similar aspects and themes as those two. His attempt at "role-playing" a hero and not wanting to expose his true weaknesses, along with said twist being used to put a reflection on the player themselves, is very much not unlike how MGS2 would later do the same. And when I learned of how he was experimented on and was a tool to the main villain, complete with him having no control over their actions at certain points, that famous twist from Irrational Games' famous 2007 release instantly popped into my head:


FFVII really was ahead of its time in many aspects, and it's just one reason why I found myself enthralled by it, even decades after its release.
 
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Thoughts on it? Where does it rank for you, if it even does?
Character wise it is really high, not as high as 9, but I would put it on Par with 6 in terms of pure character development.

The Story works, except the ending, FF7 is one of those endings that tries to be way to smart and trips over itself because of it. Holy not working, Aerith summoning the Life Stream, The 500 year leap, things would have been better off with "Generic Happy Ending" tm

Gameplay..is probably the weakest part of the game, this was the real starting point of Final Fantasy characters not really mattering anymore in terms of progression and building. Five I can give a pass too because your party is only 4 so customizing them with classes makes sense, and while everyone gets magic in 6 many characters are defined by their unique traits. 7 is the start of character's abilities just being entirely interchangeable and I dislike that in large party games. If you are going to have 7 characters, either make them unique or just have 4.

Overall It is an above average game, pretty good however there are many of the seeds of the things that I really hate about later Final Fantasy Titles that began here.

Compilation is Fake and Gay though, fuck that shit.
 
It may be hard to realize nowadays, but FFVII was practically a deconstruction of the typical JRPG storyline that was popular during the 90s. Cloud himself I think is really intriguing because when you get right down to it, he's little more than just another joe-average soldier who got caught up in the wrong place at the right time (him actually beating Sephiroth on their first encounter, not Zack), had his memories tampered with, and when he was pushed to the breaking point, literally ended op role-playing as his hero to cover up his weaknesses.
Yeah exactly. But I think people get too wrapped up in how he "lived a lie" when in the objective sense it doesn't matter. He did become a hero. He proved who he was and Sephiroth exaggerated the extent of his delusions because he's a liar. The subversion doesn't change any of that or make it just an elaborate preamble. There's a thread on this site about Subverting Expectations and how people take it too far into an anti-climax, and some almost seem to wish it was an anti-climax because it makes their 115 IQ brains buzz.

You link to Bioshock and that's a great example. Action is preeminent in how that game creates meaning and structure. The exposition is ornamentation by comparison.
 
Indeed.

It may be hard to realize nowadays, but FFVII was practically a deconstruction of the typical JRPG storyline that was popular during the 90s. Cloud himself I think is really intriguing because when you get right down to it, he's little more than just another joe-average soldier who got caught up in the wrong place at the right time (him actually beating Sephiroth on their first encounter, not Zack), had his memories tampered with, and when he was pushed to the breaking point, literally ended op role-playing as his hero to cover up his weaknesses.

When playing the game for the first time last year, having experienced many other games that have done similar twists and deconstructions of the media, I realized that Cloud predated characters like Raiden from Metal Gear Solid 2 and Jack from Bioshock, yet his character covered very similar aspects and themes as those two. His attempt at "role-playing" a hero and not wanting to expose his true weaknesses, along with said twist being used to put a reflection on the player themselves, is very much not unlike how MGS2 would later do the same. And when I learned of how he was experimented on and was a tool to the main villain, complete with him having no control over their actions at certain points, that famous twist from Irrational Games' famous 2007 release instantly popped into my head:


FFVII really was ahead of its time in many aspects, and it's just one reason why I found myself enthralled by it, even decades after its release.
Right, but FF7 was mostly FF6 with a more consistent world design.
 
Yeah exactly. But I think people get too wrapped up in how he "lived a lie" when in the objective sense it doesn't matter. He did become a hero. He proved who he was and Sephiroth exaggerated the extent of his delusions because he's a liar. The subversion doesn't change any of that or make it just an elaborate preamble. There's a thread on this site about Subverting Expectations and how people take it too far into an anti-climax, and some almost seem to wish it was an anti-climax because it makes their 115 IQ brains buzz.
I agree. Honestly, FFVII was one of the few pieces of media I've seen that do subversion of expectations well, along with the aforementioned MGS2 and Bioshock.

It doesn't belittle the main character, nor does it ruin the pacing or what the story is building up too, and it also doesn't leave the player feeling cheated. Instead, it allows Cloud to learn from what happened, that he did still matter in the long run, and he develops into a better person due to the events. Just like how Raiden in MGS2 decided to use his plight as a way to pass on his memes and experiences on to the next generation, and how Jack in Bioshock, with the help of others, truly became a man rather than just a slave.

Seems like writers nowadays often tend to miss those subtleties in favor of just trying to shock or frustrate the audience because "if they feel something, the work is a masterpiece".

It just makes me appreciate the game even more.
 
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