Grace Lavery / Joseph Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery / Mallory Ortberg - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

[Mealy Mouth Spittle]

Love how Joe provides all the fashion info. I for one will be RUNNING to the shops to get this amazing look.
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Even for a professional photo shoot he won't bother to shave. lol.

It's like you crossed Professor Snape with a Russian grandmother. Such fashion.

Ooooof! Look at that sagging face! He looks about 70 there - was the photographer trolling him?

Better get FFS fast Joe.

That's exactly what I thought. He looks very male and very old. Guess we're just used to seeing photos with a ton of filters applied. FFS wouldn't help him. He needs botox and fillers. Facelift would be better. Hair plugs, for certain. If you are going to blow money, Joe, blow it on a good dermatologist and plastic surgeon.

It's well known that troons age like milk. Richie Sambora is what, in his 60s? Give Joe here a year or two and it'll tell you he's Keith Richards.

At least Keith Richards can blame drugs. Joe's living the sober life and still aging faster than a man who has consistently done enough drugs to kill a horse every day for decades.

 

[cherrysour]

It's like you crossed Professor Snape with a Russian grandmother.

Never imagined I’d be ninja’ed for saying "Snape fucked a babushka," but here we are.

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

So why did he need to use Lily's credit card, anyway?

Does this man with a six figure income and tenured job not have any credit of his own, or are his cards all maxed out?

 

[Windows 10 Upgrade]

I could be wrong but I read it as actual green juice, like a celery, kale, lemon + ginger juice you'd get from a health food joint. To Joe, Lily has a "green juice" vibe because she's slim/healthy/gorpcore/vegetarian/etc. And to me, "bitten lip" evoked this:
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Feminine, submissive, mutely tolerating pain.

I dunno, probably useless to attempt an exegesis of Joe's coombrained ad. No matter what the fuck his "green juice and bitten lip" means, soliciting strangers online to "top" Lily is ghoulish.
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EDIT: Joe posted the above ad on the app Lex on Aug 24, 2021. He and Mallory both posted on Instagram that same day--Joe was headed to CA to meet Lily. He was probably looking for "tops" out there, not in NY. So at least he wasn't trying to schedule the "top"-fest in the apartment with Mallory in the other room.

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Bonus: try to read Joe's caption without vomiting:
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This nasty slob. Ugh.

Is Mallory off T and growing her hair out? She's looking really good in the (spin-doctor) Instagram pic. I'm firmly Team Detrans-Mallory at the moment, she's like the downtrodden character in this story that we hope will one day escape the evil Lair of Perversion.

 

[OttoWest]

How can anyone look at this man and not laugh their ass off? God the teens on the subway must be brutal.

 

[behindyourightnow]

I have often wondered about how badly both women and men seem to age when on cross-sex hormone treatment. No researcher would ever dare mention it in relation to trans people, of course, but there is a lot of recent research about how sex hormones and the mitochondria regulate each other, and how one getting messed up might mess up the other:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3922316/

Of course no one mentions all the unknowns in this area when they hand out the hormones at the gender clinic, gotta make that $$$

 

[GloriousScarf]

How can anyone look at this man and not laugh their ass off? God the teens on the subway must be brutal.

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I mentioned before Joe dresses like my 75 year old aunt. Now he looks like her too. Talk about aging like milk.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

People are underestimating how easily Lavery will demolish Helen Joyce with complex analysis:

 

[Treasure Champs]

People are underestimating how easily Lavery will demolish Helen Joyce with complex analysis:

Lol, hybris. The TRAs are always full of it. No-one "underestimates" Joe, we've paid attention to what he says and noticed that he's a terrible thinker who cloaks his mediocrity in complicated language. Still, I suppose you can't lose a debate if you insist you've won it and your audience is just too stupid to follow your brilliance.

 

[GloriousScarf]

I just realised from seeing his 25 year old self in 2008 that Joe is younger than me. I am shook kiwis, I genuinely thought Joe was at least 48 looking 75. But...wowThose hormones ain't doing shit for you Joe.

 

[lemonsolebrother]

“The Emperors New Clothes … which you misread” surely Joe isn’t suggesting that the emperor really was wearing magic clothes that the child was too dumb to see? An idiosyncratic reading of the text there (maybe minus the syncra)

 

[AirdropShitposts]

“The Emperors New Clothes … which you misread” surely Joe isn’t suggesting that the emperor really was wearing magic clothes that the child was too dumb to see? An idiosyncratic reading of the text there (maybe minus the syncra)

The emperor is merely queering the dominant narrative that he is not wearing clothes and thus exposing the failures of capitalism to clothe all people.

 

[Windows 10 Upgrade]

Is Mallory off T and growing her hair out? She's looking really good in the (spin-doctor) Instagram pic. I'm firmly Team Detrans-Mallory at the moment, she's like the downtrodden character in this story that we hope will one day escape the evil Lair of Perversion.

I'm replying to myself to bring a Horrifying News Story

She shaved her hair off after Joe returned from California. Couldn't have Mallory escape just yet.

 

[cherrysour]

"Positioned as sexually passive and/or economically reproductive within a patriarchal capitalism."

Très intellectuel. I have questions. What does "positioned" add to this definition? Who is doing the positioning? How do "trans kids" fit into this? Isn't the inclusion of "patriarchal capitalism" inconsistent with the existence of two-spirits and such? And how is any of this achieved via purchase of a $3,800 coat?

 

[BluntyBitch]

Notice he doesn't show us his womanly unshaved legs.

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"I write poetry, I don't shave, I want to be bony a s serious. Whatever happened to this boy."

HI JOE! Show us your legs! Nothing's changed, now you're a flabby man in a dress who doesn't shave.

People are underestimating how easily Lavery will demolish Helen Joyce with complex anaysis.




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"This is something that I've experienced all my life- despite being privileged with all the tradecraft that private school, Oxford, and various other fancy degrees can provide, for some reason people still underestimate me."

CLASSIST MUCH JOE? can we get a lineup of the literal thousand-dollar clothing items (as in singular, each) that him and his wives wear?

What have those fancy degrees done to help you give back to your school? Do you donate to emergency funds for students?!? Yea we've not seen him mention any of the campus stuff ONCE. his job at Berkeley is very self-centered and self-benefitting. He's teaching for His own ego and silly paycheck to buy silly expensive things for Himself, and then show it off to his poor students that didn't attend Oxford.

(I'm remember that scene in Hook, where baby robin williams parents already had a life planned in "the finest schools and attend Oxford" and all that, even my British family (albeit Welsh) make fun of Joe, for he is such a cliche of a dumbass snobby Englishman.)

What other fancy degrees? Getting an English doctorate is probably the easiest degree to achieve. He even had to write about the Japanese for his dissertation, another white man being the Expert on Asian things.

It's usually the rich types that somehow get into a position of authority, that are idiots. I'm remembering the engineers in Armageddon, how they fucked up the drill so, so much. I can't really compare him to engineers, I know, but it's what came to mind.

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"Sorry to compel speech" but

WE REEMEMBER YOUR REQUIRED COMPELLED SPEECH-READING OF YOUR BLOWJOB POETRY JOE

(and kiwis and Berkeley and Berkshire farm reemembers! And SO DOES ARCHIVE , HERES A LATEST TWITTER ARCHIVE FIR JOE, so he doesn't delete it! It was archived 5 days ago but her'es a fresh one)
Joe Grace Lavery Twitter Archive 2/5/22 for Americans https://archive.is/1rFrT

So ofc you don't have problems with compelled speech Joe. Lets be real here.

Oh wait, now he's saying THE KID IN THE EMPERORS NEW CLOTHES WAS WRONG AFTER ALL



poor kid didn't have enuf fancy degrees to understand the story! Maybe if he went to Oxford, he'd understand. That poor dumb Poor.

 

[Treasure Champs]

"Positioned as sexually passive and/or economically reproductive within a patriarchal capitalism."

Très intellectuel. I have questions. What does "positioned" add to this definition? Who is doing the positioning? How do "trans kids" fit into this? Isn't the inclusion of "patriarchal capitalism" inconsistent with the existence of two-spirits and such? And how is any of this achieved via purchase of a $3,800 coat?

Well, I mean, exactly. This is what Joe does. He throws out something that is extremely difficult to parse and thus is difficult to digest and to form a coherent reply. Really the onus should be on him to provide evidence for each and every part of this convoluted mess, but he's just going to stand there are say 'obvious, innit?' instead of properly laying out the basis for this claim. It's the premise of an entire book, not a statement that you can just pop off as part of an argument.

positioned = who is doing the positioning? Again, exactly. In order for this statement to be valid, Joe would have to actually make a convincing argument that there is a dominant narrative in our culture that constructs women as 'sexually passive', with examples of how this has been done.

'sexually passive' = he needs to parse this, explain what he means by it, and prove, with examples, that it is true.

'and / or' again, there's a whole argument that needs to be made here for why only one or the other is necessary for the definition.

'economically reproductive' = he needs to explain this one, too. Despite what he's implying by just throwing it out there, there isn't a settled and standard definition for this. And then he needs to provide all the same evidence of a dominant narrative that paints women this way.

I could keep going, but you see where the trick is. You just pretend it's all obvious to really smart people, and shift the burden of parsing all that crap onto your debating opponent. Hopefully Joyce will be sensible enough to force him to explain it himself.

For those of you who haven't come across the term, what Joe tends to do is called Sophistry, debate that sounds clever but is intended to deceive people. It's not particularly hard to do, once you've learned academic-speak. Unfortunately it is quite useful as it tends to fool the average layperson into thinking you MUST be really smart. Sometimes people who really ought to know better, too.

 

[cherrysour]

Really the onus should be on him to provide evidence for each and every part of this convoluted mess, but he's just going to stand there are say 'obvious, innit?' instead of properly laying out the basis for this claim.

If I were debating him, I'd ask him to do some practical application. Is Helen Joyce a woman under his definition? Why or why not? Is Lia Thomas a woman? Rachel Maddow? Kamala Harris? Marci Bowers? The dom who transed the Wachowskis? The Wi Spa penis-flasher? The person in my avatar? Show your work, Joe.

 

[kazuhiro]

I'd ask him whether and how he's a woman by his own definition now, if he was a woman five (or whatever, pre-"transition") years ago by the same lights, and what has changed in the interim.

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

I'd ask him whether and how he's a woman by his own definition now, if he was a woman five (or whatever, pre-"transition") years ago by the same lights, and what has changed in the interim.

Duh, he became one when he bought the $4000 coat. That's just how womanhood works.

 

[Law]

Honestly hes just your average obnoxious gay man, insufferable.

Except he's straight. Doesn't even have homosexuality as an excuse.

He needs botox and fillers.

That can't help this.
Even if he spent ludicrous amounts of money on skincare snake-oil instead of ugly clothes, he'd still be awful and look awful.
Although seeing him do the "botox blink" would be funny/terrifying.