Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Polyboros2]

Absorbing the story through an excellent motion comic certainly helped...the audio drama elements are fantastic.

I'm a little whelmed by the motion comic. It's a fun idea, but the audio mixing is some times horrible, and while interjecting angle of some of the events from video games is cute, they go on too long with out much of not happening.

On top of that, the first one is fine, but the quality of the story nose dives HARD afterwards.

I will say though, the audio drama aspect is well done. They got a great guy to voice Lando.
For those that won't get the joke, Billy Dee voices Lando in the audio drama.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

There’s actually one episode left, but it will have to be more than an hour long to properly wrap things up because of how much time the show spent spinning its wheels in flashbacks without advancing the main plot.

Well sheeeeet, I just assumed this was the last episode. lol. The way the episode ended was on such a cliffhanger that it felt like a "season finale" of some sorts. Between the introduction to Cad Bane and Luke's "ultimatum" to Grogu, it just felt like a TV show season finale cliffhanger.

And speaking of the cliffhanger of this episode ... I hope that Grogu chooses the lightsaber over the Mithril Beskar armor, given that Luke's ultimatum is what it seems to be. I'd rather Grogu be separated from Mando at this point, or else it takes away the punch of the season 2 finale ...

 

[Midwit]

Why are some people so against learning more about the force past what we're told in the OT? Were midichlorians so triggering that they can't comprehend Jedi who damn near worship the force as a way of life wanting to learn more about it? Because they think it's boring? Because it ruins the mysticism of the force as a concept?

It's like they want the force to stay "mysterious" like because that's how it was when they were children, which is dumb. Disney's canon hasn't expanded on the force in any meaningful way other than turning it into an even stupider Marvel superpower.

It's because having the Force be mysterious leaves more room for interpritation and thus more room to expand it in different directions, if you define it too rigidly then there's no flexibility and thus it negatively effects the number of potential stories you're able to tell. Jedi and the Force already bleed their way into everything, but having it be more mysterious allows writers more leeway in how they want to use it in their stories and thus it gives them more freedom to experiment and show things that are actually new to the canon rather than having the same Jedi vs Sith conflict shoved into every fucking story they make.

Well sheeeeet, I just assumed this was the last episode. lol. The way the episode ended was on such a cliffhanger that it felt like a "season finale" of some sorts. Between the introduction to Cad Bane and Luke's "ultimatum" to Grogu, it just felt like a TV show season finale cliffhanger.

My guess is that it's a tease for Mando season 3 whilst the last episode of Bob's Book will resolve what little plot there is left on Tatooine. Or maybe it does get resolved and Bob's Book is resigned to being filler to such a degree that it's literally just wasting time whilst the real plot about Mando and his puppet happens. God I fucking hate Filoni, killing off Kanan but having Ahsoka get dragged out of time when there was already evidence that she'd survived the Vader encounter without the time travel shenanigans. Kanan was easily the best character to have come out of the acquisition and they kill him off in favour of Filoni's waifu, god fucking damn it.

Spoiler: Evidence.

 

[Sneed F91]

It's because having the Force be mysterious leaves more room for interpritation and thus more room to expand it in different directions, if you define it too rigidly then there's no flexibility and thus it negatively effects the number of potential stories you're able to tell. Jedi and the Force already bleed their way into everything, but having it be more mysterious allows writers more leeway in how they want to use it in their stories and thus it gives them more freedom to experiment and show things that are actually new to the canon rather than having the same Jedi vs Sith conflict shoved into every fucking story they make.

The way you describe it is how the force SHOULD be used in theory and it makes sense as an argument for keeping it mysterious. You and I both know that most modern SW writers are lazy fucks and almost always turn the force into an get out of jail free capeshit superpower asspull (force skype, force teleportation, force healing, force time travel, etc) which makes the whole thing really cheap. Might as well establish some rules because they're just going to break them anyways.

For those that won't get the joke, Billy Dee voices Lando in the audio drama.

Bill Dee Williams is still willing to play Lando in almost anything but they left him out of the new movies until they killed off everybody else from the OT.

I'm just waiting for one of the shows to mention "Ben Solo", because STC is probably going to go into full meltdown then.

I'm just waiting for the inevitable moment where crappy deepfake Han and Leia meet deepfake Luke to show him their new baby son while complaining about being too busy trying to run the galaxy to give a shit about him and how they can't wait to send him to go off with Luke to train.

Also the scene where Ben kills Baby Yoda.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

I guess the EU authors didn't get the memo about the whole "creating Force explanations limits the kind of stories told with the Sith and the Jedi", because they were still finding new and inventive ways to use the Force and have both factions square off as late as 2014.

Things like Abeloth, the Lost Tribe of the Sith, and even the Yuuzhan Vong are literal proof that the Force can be used in a wealth of narratively-rich scenarios, so long as there are competent writers at the helm, exercising caution with what they choose to explain and how they define the rules of the universe.

That's why the Force has been ruined in the recent films...not through explaining the mystery away, but by having SHITTY explanations that did nothing but harm the stakes and universe.

I found some pure copium on SaltierThanCrait.

Grogu's Death Forked the Universe

"There are Filoni Simps on both sides. Copium is everywhere."

 

[ZMOT]

They should make Luke gay. Him and Boba in a make-up-sex scene, followed by healing in the Bacta tank.

it's star wars in 2022, they gonna have sex IN the bacta tank while the screen turns black&white in sepia tones to underline the sensual eroticism, before careless whisper starts playing.

 

[Wyzzerd]

The final episode will be quite short. Boba will be cruising along and his speeder will malfunction. Before he can stop and fix the problem he loses control and lands back inside a sarlacc pit again. The end.

Because poetry or something.

 

[ZMOT]

I guess the EU authors didn't get the memo about the whole "creating Force explanations limits the kind of stories told with the Sith and the Jedi", because they were still finding new and inventive ways to use the Force and have both factions square off as late as 2014.

Things like Abeloth, the Lost Tribe of the Sith, and even the Yuuzhan Vong are literal proof that the Force can be used in a wealth of narratively-rich scenarios, so long as there are competent writers at the helm, exercising caution with what they choose to explain and how they define the rules of the universe.

That's why the Force has been ruined in the recent films...not through explaining the mystery away, but by having SHITTY explanations that did nothing but harm the stakes and universe.

every non-ambiguous explanation takes the mystery away, and only a shitty writer would do that in the first place.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

every non-ambiguous explanation takes the mystery away, and only a shitty writer would do that in the first place.

So adding layers of detail and nuance to a world is suddenly the mark of shitty writing, now? Is Tolkien suddenly a shitty writer because he created a compendium like The Silmarillion to itemize everything from the origins of Middle Earth, to the functionality of magic and Quenya?

Boy, I'm glad people like you aren't in charge of any fiction that I love, because the kind of worldbuilding and mythology you're advocating for sounds vague and boring as fuck.

 

[Calandrino]

So when's Episode X coming?

 

[Adamska]

So adding layers of detail and nuance to a world is suddenly the mark of shitty writing, now? Is Tolkien suddenly a shitty writer because he created a compendium like The Silmarillion to itemize everything from the origins of Middle Earth, to the functionality of magic and Quenya?

The Silmarillion is more a variety of legends and sagas told from before Man and Elves, to the War with Morgoth, to the Fall of Numenor than that dude.

A better diss would've been the table of Hobbit families that was in Return of the King tbh. Now that's a compendium.

Boy, I'm glad people like you aren't in charge of any fiction that I love, because the kind of worldbuilding and mythology you're advocating for sounds vague and boring as fuck.

You can cope with the EU and abusing the discontinuity clause all you like, but know that even that guy probably wouldn't have had your EU characters get trooned out or owned by farting space whales.

 

[Ghostse]

To me its there is lot of ground between "The Force has the power to move a mountain if you concentrate" and "If you spend at least 30 minutes at Force Mediation Level 12, you can Lift 40,000 Metric Quatloos of matter with a force of 30 jiggazounds and move it at a speed of 18 KPH, with occasional pulses of 25KPH if you are able to get to Mediation Level 13 or above" and I lean more to favoring the former.

You can set guidelines and parameters of the Force, but going too deep into exact mechanisms and levels derails the mystery IMHO. You need to have some boundries or it meaningless Disney/Potter "it can do anything, its magic. It didn't before because lol idk no one believed in the power of friendship or strong women or gay empowerment or whatever". But getting too exact just turns it into something mundane.

 

[The Valeyard]

I've seen a few people handwaving the retcon of Yoda's Lightsaber being destroyed in the comics by saying that Yoda made a new one, however this would be a retcon of another comic as "The Trial of Dagobah" from Age of Rebellion Special (2019) #1 states that Yoda would never wield a lightsaber again.

 

[starborn427614]

I've seen a few people handwaving the retcon of Yoda's Lightsaber being destroyed in the comics by saying that Yoda made a new one, however this would be a retcon of another comic as "The Trial of Dagobah" from Age of Rebellion Special (2019) #1 states that Yoda would never wield a lightsaber again.
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I think it's pretty clear that Dave doesn't give a shit about the comics. I have no idea what John thinks about that side of the franchise, but he's probably the same.

 

[qu_rahn]

Oh I still think that’ll happen. I just think she’ll fuck Luke on the way to becoming the force god.

Two birds one retard and a space wolf, loads of laughs for all.

Force God? What the fuck happened to this franchise

 

[The Nothingness]

Was it ever explained why Ahsoka was portrayed in live action by Rosario Dawson and not by who voiced her: Ashley Eckstein? I recalled the latter did cosplay as the character and she could have easily played the character on the D+ shows.

 

[The Valeyard]

Was it ever explained why Ahsoka was portrayed in live action by Rosario Dawson and not by who voiced her: Ashley Eckstein? I recalled the latter did cosplay as the character and she could have easily played the character on the D+ shows.

Lack of experience. The only non-voice roles Ashley Eckstein has had are minor characters on TV shows and a couple of movies.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

I think it's pretty clear that Dave doesn't give a shit about the comics. I have no idea what John thinks about that side of the franchise, but he's probably the same.

Yea, they both don’t give a shit. The whole Force Dyad double-retcon with them and Pablo Hidalgo showed as much.

Was it ever explained why Ahsoka was portrayed in live action by Rosario Dawson and not by who voiced her: Ashley Eckstein? I recalled the latter did cosplay as the character and she could have easily played the character on the D+ shows.

Simply put, you can’t expect a voice performance to translate equally into live action. It’s why you don’t see Steve Blum playing a live-action Wolverine or Jason Spisak playing Loki or something like that. Katee Sackhoff is primarily a live-action woman (Battlestar Galactica and Longmire) so I guess she’s an exception, but Ashley still looks like she’s in her 20s, while Dawson looks like a middle-aged woman now, so playing an adult Ashoka would be more viable with her in live action.

Of course, this is all just conjecture I pulled out of my ass. There’s no official statement from Disney. It’s more likely that Filoni wanted to sniff Dawson’s panties or something.

 

[The Valeyard]

6:40 ”He might even be Yoda’s son for all we know, he’ll then be much more inclined to be with Luke if he remembers this and remembers his family”

This would be fucking stupid, but I wouldn’t put it past Filoni for Grogu to be the result of Yoda and Yaddle banging in secret.

 

[Kup]

Force God? What the fuck happened to this franchise

An autistic man saw characters who are not originals, who are powerful in the force/loved by fans and thought “Wait a minute! I can do one!”

So, joining the ranks of Revan, Kyle Katarn, Galen Marek and so on, is Ahsoka Tano. But she’s more legit because she’s not only “canon” but she’s made by an autistic faggot who eats jew cum in exchange for being thrown a pittance and allowed to make his fanfiction canon.