Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[SaidNoOneEver]

There is a board called Sperg about Comic books here where more serious comic book talk ought to be. I would go interrupt their current X-Men continuity talk if you want to keep up the conversation of the best writer etc (also there is one for Anime/Manga with a NO CULTURE WAR DOOMPOSTING! warning). Unless you want to talk about the rest of that Moment of Cerebus blog post where Edwin Boyette gayopped Dave Sim into talking about grooming and then collaborated with Renfamous in getting Dave Sim cancelled by Ethan Van Sciver's supposed anti-cancel-culture movement way back in late 2018/early 2019. That part is relevant to this board, but more like 3 years and many pages ago on it. Comicsgate really is not about discussing comics in any real way apart from outrage clickbait and finding declining sales numbers. In fact there are many active comicsgate followers on Twitter and YouTube who have admitted they never bought a comic book at all before they followed it. Sure you could corner an ex pro like Graham Nolan or Mike Baron away from the autistic shit show and get them to talk seriously about the craft but that's not where it's at for the views and the superchats. In the context of this Kiwi thread especially the part worth talking about is the embarrasing exploits of manchildren on the internet. People who got their morality from capeshit and fancy themselves a Lex Luthor or Batman of nerds talking on Twitter or YouTube.

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Speaking of that, here's an update on the big time views Warcampaign is getting on their Ottawa Fredom Convoy content. One broke 100K and they got more subs this week than they ever had from CG, but will they be able to keep this up after this stops being a hot news story?View attachment 2954738

Congrats on the new account.

 

[Fleetwood]

Congrats on the new account.

Yes, thanks I'm new! You are welcome.

Matt Dow is a supreme faggot. I don't even know who he is but the quote @Cool kitties club dropped has me picturing some skinny-fat douche in retro frames and a t-shirt with way-too-short sleeves foaming at the mouth while defending mainstream consoomerism and hurling insults like master-'gater because readers don't want to invest in a fictional world where every woman looks like Megan Rapinoe.

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Skinny fat? This is comic books. More like fat fat.

lol yeah comicsgate would never buy that sort of look

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

There is a board called Sperg about Comic books here where more serious comic book talk ought to be. I would go interrupt their current X-Men continuity talk.

Please go and interrupt their current X-Men continuity talk. It's fucking boring.

I'm honestly surprised and torn by Warcampaign right now. Even just by being present, holding his phone up and tapping 'record', that douche Ro is being... useful?

 

[Pilule Noire]

Who do you regard as the best comics writer?

Liam Gray is objectively the best comics writer, ever in the world ever, right now. And forever.

Other than him? Well, just my opinion, but these 'legend-tier' writers of American comic books like Dave Sim, Alan Moore, Frank Miller are all pretty crap, overrated spergs. They're 'legends' (meaning famous names) of American comic books, but they're nothing compared to real writers of proper books.

But it depends what you're after - if you like challenging difficulty and depth, then Alan Moore is a good bet, but if you want something a bit more pleasant and elegant then BD are a better bet.

Example opening page of a Moore comic:

Example opening page of a BD by Van Hamme:

 

[A nameless trool]

Liam Gray is objectively the best comics writer, ever in the world ever, right now. And forever.

Other than him? Well, just my opinion, but these 'legend-tier' writers of American comic books like Dave Sim, Alan Moore, Frank Miller are all pretty crap, overrated spergs. They're 'legends' (meaning famous names) of American comic books, but they're nothing compared to real writers of proper books.

But it depends what you're after - if you like challenging difficulty and depth, then Alan Moore is a good bet, but if you want something a bit more pleasant and elegant then BD are a better bet.

Example opening page of a Moore comic:
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Example opening page of a BD by Van Hamme:
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We are talking CG, ergo US comics.
Gew people are even aware of the best comicbook of all time, Asterix written by Rene Goscini. Or even who Carl Barks was.
Those two are god tier comic book writers and their all-age comics stood the test of time and are a joy to read even today.
Kentaro Miura (whom some US readers may know from a manga called Berserk) is a bit lower than them in my book. US comics had their fair share of great writers like Stan Lee (cringe but god damn it, he made so many enduring comics by tard wrangling Jack Kirby's big brain ideas and could make the best out of his talented artists - Hell, I would call Stan Lee the Lars Ulrich of comicbooks), Marv Wolfman, Alan Moore, Dave Sim at some point of their careers.
Yes, Spider-Man, Cerebus, Teen Titans and Watchmen had been good for a hot minute, but not as good as Asterix...

 

[Gar For Archer]

We are talking CG, ergo US comics.
Gew people are even aware of the best comicbook of all time, Asterix written by Rene Goscini. Or even who Carl Barks was.
Those two are god tier comic book writers and their all-age comics stood the test of time and are a joy to read even today.
Kentaro Miura (whom some US readers may know from a manga called Berserk) is a bit lower than them in my book. US comics had their fair share of great writers like Stan Lee (cringe but god damn it, he made so many enduring comics by tard wrangling Jack Kirby's big brain ideas and could make the best out of his talented artists - Hell, I would call Stan Lee the Lars Ulrich of comicbooks), Marv Wolfman, Alan Moore, Dave Sim at some point of their careers.
Yes, Spider-Man, Cerebus, Teen Titans and Watchmen had been good for a hot minute, but not as good as Asterix...

I’m definitely a little surprised that euro comics have like, zero recognition here in the US. If you asked a rando to name a single euro comic, you’d be lucky if they knew about Tintin.

 

[Miniluv]

I’m definitely a little surprised that euro comics have like, zero recognition here in the US. If you asked a rando to name a single euro comic, you’d be lucky if they knew about Tintin.

This is probably true even for the average comic reader in the US.

It was a little different back when Heavy Metal was selling well and readers were getting exposed to Moebius, Enki Bilal, Phillipe Druillet, Jordi Bernet, Tanino Liberatore, and Milo Manara on a regular basis. Finding HM at an age when I probably shouldn't have been reading sparked a lifelong appreciation for Euro comics art. And tits.

 

[GoPro]

We are talking CG, ergo US comics.
Gew people are even aware of the best comicbook of all time, Asterix written by Rene Goscini. Or even who Carl Barks was.
Those two are god tier comic book writers and their all-age comics stood the test of time and are a joy to read even today.
Kentaro Miura (whom some US readers may know from a manga called Berserk) is a bit lower than them in my book. US comics had their fair share of great writers like Stan Lee (cringe but god damn it, he made so many enduring comics by tard wrangling Jack Kirby's big brain ideas and could make the best out of his talented artists - Hell, I would call Stan Lee the Lars Ulrich of comicbooks), Marv Wolfman, Alan Moore, Dave Sim at some point of their careers.
Yes, Spider-Man, Cerebus, Teen Titans and Watchmen had been good for a hot minute, but not as good as Asterix...

I think that David Mazzucchelli is better than any names you mentioned, and his Asterios Polyp is probably the best American comic book in last 50 years or so.
As to Stan Lee, he is not a great writer. His work is lacking outside of collaborations with Ditko, Kirby, Romita, Wood and other greats of that era. That makes me side with the argument that Lee was serving more as an ideas guy and a script doctor at worst, and a co-writer at best.

I’m definitely a little surprised that euro comics have like, zero recognition here in the US. If you asked a rando to name a single euro comic, you’d be lucky if they knew about Tintin.

That situation ties to your earlier post. American comic books turned from a diverse medium to practically a genre of cape stories thanks to CCA, big two's practices, and later on due to superhero fanboys' efforts. Marvel and DC always had very little interest in publishing anything besides capes and occasional vanity projects. Most American "comic book fans" are actually fans of superheroes owned by the big two. If they branch out at all, it's for creator owned books by their favorite Daredevil writer or Green Lantern artist.
There was a brief period of time when Vertigo flirted with publishing foreign books. Marvel tried to compete by publishing Sky Doll in partnership with Soleil. Not much came out of either effort. Dark Horse, Fantagraphics, Heavy Metal, and Humanoids were the only ones doing something until Cinebook and Europe showed up, gained steam, and started a bigger push. Things might slowly change as a bunch of smaller translation-focused publishers sprung up few years ago, and they seem to keep growing. First Second is getting into that niche, and even Image is dipping their toes in European comic translations. Manga went through something very similar. Tiny manga publishers of early 2000s make more money today than American comics, and they have better future prospects too.

The mainstream American comic book industry is not alone in its insularity. Same mindset is widespread throughout all American media (besides video games). Harlan Ellis mentioned it numerous times, especially in relation to the scifi and fantasy book publishing industry.

 

[Weeb Slinger]

Jeff Hicks now has only 7 days left to bankroll his magnum opus 'Wokebusters' which is currently funded to the tune of 43% of its $20,000 goal. Meanwhile, over in the comments section of his other campaign for 'Stealing Solo - Fandom Menace Edition', angry townsfolk, who have yet to receive their books and/or perks, are sharpening pitchforks and igniting torches.

If this was the 1980s, Jeff could organise a breakdancing competition to raise the missing funds, and then not turn up for it. As it stands Wokebusters remains deadlocked in a tortoise vs tortoise race to backer's mailboxes, against Anna's 'left unrefrigerated on the dessert trolley overnight' superhero cheesecake calendar.

 

[Mister Dongs]

Ice Roseidon update:

Ro went out to interview some counter-protestors of the Ottawa truck rally, ordered to identify himself to local police officers and was shortly thereafter doxed and fired from his job.

 

[Absurdity]

Oh boy! Here's your new CCG: Comics Coofgate with your new leader, Ro Kabir. This is your chance to set up your new Covid narrative, Ethan. Remember, you're the victim! If it weren't for Covid you'd have had all the books shipped out by now including the third Frog book.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Ice Roseidon update:

Ro went out to interview some counter-protestors of the Ottawa truck rally, ordered to identify himself to local police officers and was shortly thereafter doxed and fired from his job.

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I predict a cancel-culture narrative that has a bunch of people who have never heard of him rallying to his defense only to be completely humiliated when WC's past comes back to blow up in their faces. He's about to do real damage to his own "cause".

 

[jspit2.0]

Ice Roseidon update:

Ro went out to interview some counter-protestors of the Ottawa truck rally, ordered to identify himself to local police officers and was shortly thereafter doxed and fired from his job.

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That fucking accent. I'm legit offended. THat's the accent of a first generation Indian and Ro isn't one of those because they'd literally die if they lost their fucking job.

Fucking second gen cunt. Apologize to Apu!

I predict a cancel-culture narrative that has a bunch of people who have never heard of him rallying to his defense only to be completely humiliated when WC's past comes back to blow up in their faces. He's about to do real damage to his own "cause".

Hard to feel bad for a group that doxxed and threatened people.

Please go and interrupt their current X-Men continuity talk. It's fucking boring.

I'm honestly surprised and torn by Warcampaign right now. Even just by being present, holding his phone up and tapping 'record', that douche Ro is being... useful?

like a reading list?

I mean, look I get it. There are some tards in the sperg thread. Some people with reaaalllllly shit tastes. But its struggling and could use this energy there.

Liam Gray is objectively the best comics writer, ever in the world ever, right now. And forever.

Other than him? Well, just my opinion, but these 'legend-tier' writers of American comic books like Dave Sim, Alan Moore, Frank Miller are all pretty crap, overrated spergs. They're 'legends' (meaning famous names) of American comic books, but they're nothing compared to real writers of proper books.

But it depends what you're after - if you like challenging difficulty and depth, then Alan Moore is a good bet, but if you want something a bit more pleasant and elegant then BD are a better bet.

Example opening page of a Moore comic:
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Example opening page of a BD by Van Hamme:
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Also, fuck Alan Moore. Dude's just as uneven as Frank Miller and never catches shit.

 

[Brother Maynard]

Has Comicsgate become so legitimately boring that y'all are now discussing COMIC BOOKS?

What has the world come to?

 

[Captain Manning]

Also, fuck Alan Moore. Dude's just as uneven as Frank Miller and never catches shit.

The most amusing thing about Alan Moore is that he's convinced none of his books could ever be properly adapted into film. David Hayter supposedly wrote a really stellar script for Watchman, which Moore conceded was really close to his book, but he still pooh-poohed it. The "not catching shit" part is weirdos thinking that makes him "enlightened" (or whatever), when actually it just makes him pretentious.

Has Comicsgate become so legitimately boring that y'all are now discussing COMIC BOOKS?

It's BEEN boring since forever. How many times can you talk about everybody's books being chronically late? JFC. I don't know how some of you people can stomach the monotony.

 

[The Coon]

It's BEEN boring since forever. How many times can you talk about everybody's books being chronically late? JFC. I don't know how some of you people can stomach the monotony.

I got busy a stepped away from KF for 2 or 3 weeks and feel like I have missed nothing in this thread.

 

[Mister Dongs]

What the hell? Did Comicsgate get so bloody boring that this thread turned into a discussion about actual comic books?

Has Comicsgate become so legitimately boring that y'all are now discussing COMIC BOOKS?

What has the world come to?

booo get new material

All the oxygen for Comicsgate drama has been sucked up by the latest fiery gunt implosion, with Ethan Ralph efapping becoming an entire cottage industry between PPP, Nick Rekeita and now Yellowflash along with dozens of aspiring smaller dramatubers having stopped fighting among themselves or covering Comicsgate-related topics and get in on the active feeding frenzy for gunt trainwreck content. The last time this happened was during the dropping of the Gunt sex tape where there was a glut of Spider-Man discussion on this thread or whatever.

In minor developments:

• Chris Braly, regular Bleeding Fool contributor and campaign manager of Thin Blue Line on Mike Baron's behalf, went from distancing himself from Comicsgate ever since the diasco IndieCron in 2018 to writing a full article promoting it here as the "New Punks" of comics, replete with links to But I suppose that shouldn't be too surprising given that, against all expectations, Thin Blue Line is the largest growing campaign in CG, outpacing the still active Graveyard Shift 4 even in the InDemand stage.
• Small comics publisher Action Lab has a proposed class action lawsuit filed against it with nearly 40 comic creators signing on to the proposal, accusing the publisher of locking them into profit-sharing contracts for ownership of their IPs and hundreds of pages of work and then just not promoting the book at all. This grift is widely suspect to have been the cause for artist Gordon McLean committing suicide to which Action Labs' reponse was was to finally print and promote McLean's work now that he didn't have to be paid anything. The comic "community" as a whole will be following this with interest whereas Comicsgaters have avoided predatory publishers (other than occasionally each other) by dint of being too toxic to be publicly seen associating with and thus don't really care.
• Cash Grab Update: Don Chin, creator of 80s hit Adolescent Radioactive Black Belt Hamsters, recently had a debate with Dan Shahin on the morality of being Comicsgate and why he as an Asian-American would choose to be CG after the whole "taking a tommy-gun to asian people" incident a while back. The answer of how it came about was actually fairly interesting - having sold the rights to ARBBH to Dynamite Comics some time back, Nick Barucci contacted Chin about creating a Cyberfrog/Hamsters crossover. The project was heavily in development when Dynamite's employees revolted against Barrucci over him promoting Cash Grab. This means that the $280,000 crowdfunded for Cash Grab has resulted in not zero comics being made, but negative one comics being created. Money well spent I say.

 

[SargonF00t]

Liam Gray is objectively the best comics writer, ever in the world ever, right now. And forever.

Other than him? Well, just my opinion, but these 'legend-tier' writers of American comic books like Dave Sim, Alan Moore, Frank Miller are all pretty crap, overrated spergs. They're 'legends' (meaning famous names) of American comic books, but they're nothing compared to real writers of proper books.

But it depends what you're after - if you like challenging difficulty and depth, then Alan Moore is a good bet, but if you want something a bit more pleasant and elegant then BD are a better bet.

Example opening page of a Moore comic:
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Example opening page of a BD by Van Hamme:
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What is "BD"?

 

[The Bovinian Derivative]

What is "BD"?

Bandes Dessinées. Franco-Belgian comics.

(edit: French words are hard.)

 

[Pilule Noire]

^what he said! European comics. Here's a panel from a pretty nifty one called Blacksad: