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A friend of mine lent me his D+ account to watch FiloniWars since I'd never seen it before. He warned me going in to drop my expectations for Dooku and Grievous like a rock. I'm glad he did because holy plot holes did Filoni destroy those two. I thought the opening of Revenge of the Sith did Dooku dirty, but it has nothing on how much FiloniWars sucks what little nuance AotC suggested he had out. It's like George and he were on a mission to make sure nobody in the audience would ever have to think for themselves about the moral issues presented by a galaxy-spanning civil war. That seems like peak George and his devotion to the old Flash Gordon serials. Filoni learned the lesson well and has taken that into his D+ shows as well as his inability to stop himself from spreading his OCs everywhere. Hondo is inevitable, I'm calling him for Mando season 3 now. Also calling that whatever depth the first season had was largely Favreau's doing and we'll see less of it as he gets more hands off.

In short, Filoni is indeed a hack and whatever brief hopes Mando season 1 might've kindled in me that Star Wars was salvageable have been blackpilled by the worst parts of Mando season 2 and Boba Fett Gets Cockblocked by Din Djarin.
Dooku was underrated, especially as a Sith. He’s such an enigma among their ranks, no edgy armor, not disfigured, utterly sane, not hammy and composed at all times.

Cool, calm, collected and charismatic as hell, helped immensely by the charm of Christopher Lee.

“Ha, ha, ha! A bold claim, but you are not Sith.”
 
Dooku was underrated, especially as a Sith. He’s such an enigma among their ranks, no edgy armor, not disfigured, utterly sane, not hammy and composed at all times.

Cool, calm, collected and charismatic as hell, helped immensely by the charm of Christopher Lee.

“Ha, ha, ha! A bold claim, but you are not Sith.”
Tartakovsky's take on him is as canon to me as his take on Grievous because of how he was handled in it. Nothing George or that slimy cowboy snitch will divorce me from that.

I cannot say enough that while I hate Episode 2, the best PT trilogy is it, GenndyWars, then Sith. Phantom Menace sets up ground work, but I always feel like it's just too divorced from the other two to match the rest of the films. Which sucks because despite Jake Lloyd being directed by George to have the worst delivery ever, I still like it a decent bit more than 2. There's more high points (Pod Racing, Liam's maverick bullshit, and the climax come to mind) and the lows are just not as low as the ones in 2. Give me a senate hearing over watching Portman trying to emote with Christiansen any day. It's dullish at times and the acting is shit thanks to George, but Phantom Menace without the sheer dick punch of hype is like a 6.75/10 for me. Almost good.

Also Jar Jar never bothered me barring his voice being a bit too squeaky. Also probably helps he's the character with the best character arc besides Sheev in that one.
 
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After claiming that it was Jocasta Nu who helped Grogu out of the Jedi Temple, Star Wars Theory has posted a conflicting theory that Barriss Offee was involved because the Order 66 flashback in The Book of Boba Fett appears to take place in her quarters from Filoni Wars based on a symbol on the wall.

0:21 ”Anakin also terminated Cin Drallig in the Revenge of the Sith video game“

This also happens in the video game, and he just talked about the CANON™ Darth Vader comics where Jocasta Nu was hunted down after Order 66 a couple of days ago.

3:27 “We’ve only seen three Yoda species in Star Wars; Yoda, Yaddle and Grogu so I feel like Yoda is actually Grogu’s dad or maybe Yoda’s brother’s son, maybe once Grogu starts to remember a little more he’ll realise who his father was and that his dad is Jedi Grandmaster Yoda.”
 
After claiming that it was Jocasta Nu who helped Grogu out of the Jedi Temple, Star Wars Theory has posted a conflicting theory that Barriss Offee was involved because the Order 66 flashback in The Book of Boba Fett appears to take place in her quarters from Filoni Wars based on a symbol on the wall.

0:21 ”Anakin also terminated Cin Drallig in the Revenge of the Sith video game“

This also happens in the video game, and he just talked about the CANON™ Darth Vader comics where Jocasta Nu was hunted down after Order 66 a couple of days ago.

3:27 “We’ve only seen three Yoda species in Star Wars; Yoda, Yaddle and Grogu so I feel like Yoda is actually Grogu’s dad or maybe Yoda’s brother’s son, maybe once Grogu starts to remember a little more he’ll realise who his father was and that his dad is Jedi Grandmaster Yoda.”
I'm on the "he was hidden inside R2" train. The troopers point right at him but don't say "get him", but "move out". They should clearly see him if he was in plain view.
 
I'm on the "Dave is a fucking awful writer and retard" school where he didn't think at all on this shit.

At best Favreau kinda did, in the sense that according to my buddies who bothered to watch Mando and I, he's a damn Yoda clone. Because Djinn did pick him up from some testing facility if I remember right.
 
Regarding the whole "will Toy Yoda choose to be Jedi or Mando" debate, I wouldn't be surprised if they'll have him be both and then see shills and articles claim that "OMG, Disney gave us teh first Jedi Mando". It would be funny seeing them ape the EU again and claim they invented it.
The concept's been decently done in the KoTOR comics (2012), in which a bunch of rebel Jedi join the invading forces during the Mandalorian Wars. The protagonist himself, failed Padawan Zayne Carrick, is captured and forced into fighting in the first lines not unlike the Mongols using their prisoners as meat shields.
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KOTOR and SWTOR are in the Expanded Universe and not Disney CANON™
And thank God for that.
 
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I know this is a minor thing to be griping about compared to everything else, but Jesus, whichever dickhead in charge of naming things was a lazy cunt. Lothal has towns with names like Kothal and Capital City, and it's populated with Lot Rats, Loth Cats and Loth Wolves.

Anyway, while we're on the subject of nonsensical bullshit in Rebels, I still can't get over the idea that you can take any random Jedi and Sith holocrons, combine them and it can tell you literally anything. It's so stupid.
Speaking of Barris, am I the only one who finds it funny that the most muslim looking jedi turned out to be the terrorist in that one TFW episode?
Oh, I've seen plenty of speds have a cry about that. Because she's "Muslim coded".
 
outside of the bad math, can anyone come up with a legit better number, obvious the answer is "more" but i doubt people wouldn't still fuck her hard if she said "6 trillion"
Judging from what actually happens in the EU in that the New Republic is able to fight successfully for two decades against the post-Palply Empire and then fight the Vong for years and eventually defeat them, at a minimum 10,000 large capital warships (Victory Star Destroyer size and larger) and many tens of thousands of smaller capital warships (escort frigate size and smaller), plus the fleets of independent or semi-independent places like Hapes and Corellia and Dornea and the Corporate Sector and the Hutts and etc...
 
outside of the bad math, can anyone come up with a legit better number, obvious the answer is "more" but i doubt people wouldn't still fuck her hard if she said "6 trillion"
The best answer is never to reveal a solid answer in the first place which is admittedly a bit harder when AOTC already gives you numbers of '200000' and 'a million'. The EU had Palpatine revealing he had a second clone army of much lower quality Spaarti clones flash-grown in the last year of the Clone Wars which was said to be in the billions. For me the best answer would be high tens of millions since I've always preferred the headcanon of the Clone Army being a highly mobile and elite Jedi-led strike force that gets rapidly deployed around the Galaxy to stem Separatist offensives and push their own while a much larger but poorly trained and equipped Republic conscript army holds ground. Kind of like what the Imperial Army and the Stormtrooper Corps was meant to be except that everyone writing for both the EU and Disney forget the former even exists (with the notable exception of Solo) and just has Stormtroopers everywhere.
 
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outside of the bad math, can anyone come up with a legit better number, obvious the answer is "more" but i doubt people wouldn't still fuck her hard if she said "6 trillion"
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Several users on JCF did the math years ago based on several sources, like Dooku's line from AotC that there were too many clones to battle on Geonosis in comparison to the number of droids there, or the sources prior to Karen's Guide to Warfare, or Labyrinth of Evil which was written as a direct tie-in to ROTS and supervised by George, and finally comparing the Republic army to the number of droids in the droid army (which numbered in quintillion) and estimated that the whole Clone Army consisted of around either +600,000,000 clones, two trillion soldiers or at most five hundred trillion (although this last number seems like reaching to me) without counting planetary armies.

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Many sources implied that after the Clone Wars began, the Republic army began recruiting soldiers from localized Planetary Armies and Security Forces, alongside civilians which were said to number in the trillions or "countless". Tarkin himself came from one of these local security service armies, mainly the Outland Regions Security Force from planet Eriadu (pictured left). The only author who tried to retcon recruits was Karen Traviss in her novel Triple Zero by having Palpatine say that having recruits is a bad idea, despite all other sources, even ones that came after it outside of her Guide to Warfare still held that recruits were a thing, especially in Dark Horse, and Tarkin himself and his forces existence during the Clone Wars were a direct contradiction to TZ. Labyrinth of Evil which was often considered G-Canon (not that I give a crap) due to its direct input from George also pointed out that there were enough clones to not only serve as the active armies but to populate the whole of Coruscant and other Core planets as active security forces that were referred to as being omnipresent.

Karen's insistence on this seemed to have been based on the basic numbers given for units in production on Kamino in the film and Matthew Stover'sclaim Edit: Stover's claim that there were only around a million clone soldiers in total in his novel Shatterpoint because of misinterpreting lines in AotC about the million clones in development on Tipoca City alone as the max number, along with misinterpreting the Complete Locations guide's 200,000 clones on Geonosis as the max number rather than the first dispatch while ignoring the dozens of republic ships that were arriving behind the initial force on Geonosis, and while also ignoring Lucasfilm editors and Kaufman confirming that no fixed numbers were allowed.

"LFL was very clear to us that no fixed number of total clones would or could be assigned. Therefore, the number 3 million (plus) does not represent the entire fighting force." - Ryan Kaufman

So the official answer is that there was no set number of soldiers in the Grand Army, it was as big as you wanted it to be, and if a specific number was given it was treated as in-universe propaganda or just a character being wrong.

Despite this and Karen's insistence on using her set numbers, she was one of the few authors to properly portray the reality of how corrupt it is to own an army of clone slaves even if it could get preachy at times, so I have to give her that. Anyway, her fans have also tried to find loopholes to her claims, such as "unit" not meaning a lone individual clone but a whole legion and then compared it to the structure of units used in Her Majesty's Armed Forces (which served as her main inspiration for the structure of the Clone Army in her works), eventually estimating that the Clone Army could indeed number in the trillions or more. However this was all rendered null and void soon after on the starwars.com message boards where Traviss double downed on the numbers and got incredibly hostile with other users, and in return they got just as hostile, and it became an autistic shitshow all around that eventually devolved into threats and immaturity on both sides, culminating into the fandalorian equivalent of a navy seals copypaste and Wayne Poe's infamous machinima video. Good times.

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In response, Traviss used "spaarti cloning" from the Thrawn Trilogy in her Order 66 novel (a TFW tie-in novel) to increase the number of clone soldiers to an unspecified number of billions and trillions (but she only did this after there was only less than a year left in the war rather than at its start) and then claiming this was a Palpatine keikaku. However she also introduced these clones as being horribly defective and ineffective, my guess this was her trying to imply imperial stormtroopers came from these guys despite all other sources and even George proving otherwise, and in the end the inclusion felt more like an immature "gotcha" to the users on the message board rather than an actual attempt at expanding the lore. Despite this, she doubled down with the small numbers in Guide to Warfare which she left unfinished after George mostly retconned her version of Mandalore and she never worked for Lucasfilm again.

Was it all her fault though? Did she just have a shitty editor? Was she just too headstrong? Did she have too short a fuse? I'd like to say yes to all four, but without being biased I will say that everyone involved on both sides was an immature idiot and should've controlled their fucking temper because all it did was make things worse and everyone was getting angry and autistic over fucking numbers of all things. I would call her the Furloni or Chuck Windbag of my generation, except she was actually a very competent and skilled writer who knew how to set up scenes and dialogue, and she actually read tech guides and she was a dedicated lore builder (even creating a language for the setting which SW desperately needed) and character developer, that is when she wasn't being angry, jerking off Kal Skirata, ignoring the Taung and TotJ, or talking about numbers and gay ner vods.
 
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Tartakovsky's take on him is as canon to me as his take on Grievous because of how he was handled in it. Nothing George or that slimy cowboy snitch will divorce me from that.

I cannot say enough that while I hate Episode 2, the best PT trilogy is it, GenndyWars, then Sith. Phantom Menace sets up ground work, but I always feel like it's just too divorced from the other two to match the rest of the films. Which sucks because despite Jake Lloyd being directed by George to have the worst delivery ever, I still like it a decent bit more than 2. There's more high points (Pod Racing, Liam's maverick bullshit, and the climax come to mind) and the lows are just not as low as the ones in 2. Give me a senate hearing over watching Portman trying to emote with Christiansen any day. It's dullish at times and the acting is shit thanks to George, but Phantom Menace without the sheer dick punch of hype is like a 6.75/10 for me. Almost good.

Also Jar Jar never bothered me barring his voice being a bit too squeaky. Also probably helps he's the character with the best character arc besides Sheev in that one.
Episode 2 is elevated the moment Christopher Lee comes onscreen, it’s clear he’s enjoying playing a Bond villain in that sweet era where he did whatever the fuck he wanted.

Helps that the man contributed to Dooku’s character, body language, choice of sword, fighting style and even his death scene. He did it without overtaking the character in any way.

The one thing I liked from Filoni Dooku was the idea that Ventress is sort of a surrogate daughter. Which seemed like it was a residual GenndyWars idea because they did nothing with it down the line. He betrays Ventress, is sad for a bit and nothing comes of it.

That is a legitimately cool idea for the Sith master/apprentice relationship and it made sense for Dooku, a man who was visibly perturbed when the hired muscle died.
 

1:24 “R2-D2?! Is it R2-D2?”

3:00 “Aww Grogu *squeals”

5:06 “It’s sabermaster Cin Drallig of the Jedi Order!”

5:44 “AHSOKA!!”

8:39 “This is the best episode Star Wars has ever put out”

12:46 “THAT’S FUCKING CAD BANE!!”

I agree. It's the best episode of Boba Fett....

Why did you watch something you knew you wouldn't enjoy?

I enjoy things that I think aren't good. Batman and Robin is a must see. Are they good? Fuck no.

Dooku was underrated, especially as a Sith. He’s such an enigma among their ranks, no edgy armor, not disfigured, utterly sane, not hammy and composed at all times.

Cool, calm, collected and charismatic as hell, helped immensely by the charm of Christopher Lee.

“Ha, ha, ha! A bold claim, but you are not Sith.”

Dark Rendevous captured everything missing from George/Filoni's take on the character. That said, can a character be cool when he's never allowed to be cool?

After claiming that it was Jocasta Nu who helped Grogu out of the Jedi Temple, Star Wars Theory has posted a conflicting theory that Barriss Offee was involved because the Order 66 flashback in The Book of Boba Fett appears to take place in her quarters from Filoni Wars based on a symbol on the wall.

0:21 ”Anakin also terminated Cin Drallig in the Revenge of the Sith video game“

This also happens in the video game, and he just talked about the CANON™ Darth Vader comics where Jocasta Nu was hunted down after Order 66 a couple of days ago.

3:27 “We’ve only seen three Yoda species in Star Wars; Yoda, Yaddle and Grogu so I feel like Yoda is actually Grogu’s dad or maybe Yoda’s brother’s son, maybe once Grogu starts to remember a little more he’ll realise who his father was and that his dad is Jedi Grandmaster Yoda.”

Things that would have made the movie better.

I'm on the "Dave is a fucking awful writer and retard" school where he didn't think at all on this shit.

At best Favreau kinda did, in the sense that according to my buddies who bothered to watch Mando and I, he's a damn Yoda clone. Because Djinn did pick him up from some testing facility if I remember right.

Favreau is the jock kid they team up with a nerd to write a book report. And yes, that's how fucking faggy Hollywood is that Jon is the jock of this retarded duo.

I always think its funny people think he'll save anything. At most he's tard wrangling Filoni for twenty thirty minute spurts a season when he's not on location somewhere. Remember, he got cut out of the MCU right when it was taking off. He won't jepordize that over cringe OCs and character assassination.

As long as its not Solo tier, Jon's looking to get paid.

He didn’t forget about them, KOTOR and SWTOR are in the Expanded Universe and not Disney CANON™

Just wait until Mando season four. Having raped the OT, they moved to the prequels, then having raped the prequels to death they moved to the EU. Dave will need to steal ideas from somewhere.
 
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Just wait until Mando season four. Having raped the OT, they moved to the prequels, then having raped the prequels to death they moved to the EU. Dave will need to steal ideas from somewhere.
Well, Rise of Skywalker was already a retarded as hell retelling of Dark Empire, an impressive feat considering that was already one of the more controversial elements of the EU. All signs point to Mando or The Ahsoka Show containing Furloni's fanfic rewrite of the Thrawn Trilogy.
 
I agree. It's the best episode of Boba Fett....



I enjoy things that I think aren't good. Batman and Robin is a must see. Are they good? Fuck no.



Dark Rendevous captured everything missing from George/Filoni's take on the character. That said, can a character be cool when he's never allowed to be cool?



Things that would have made the movie better.



Favreau is the jock kid they team up with a nerd to write a book report. And yes, that's how fucking faggy Hollywood is that Jon is the jock of this retarded duo.

I always think its funny people think he'll save anything. At most he's tard wrangling Filoni for twenty thirty minute spurts a season when he's not on location somewhere. Remember, he got cut out of the MCU right when it was taking off. He won't jepordize that over cringe OCs and character assassination.

As long as its not Solo tier, Jon's looking to get paid.



Just wait until Mando season four. Having raped the OT, they moved to the prequels, then having raped the prequels to death they moved to the EU. Dave will need to steal ideas from somewhere.
How would one rape the prequels exactly? There doesn't seem to be much left to retcon that's not already been retconned.
 
Well, Rise of Skywalker was already a retarded as hell retelling of Dark Empire, an impressive feat considering that was already one of the more controversial elements of the EU. All signs point to Mando or The Ahsoka Show containing Furloni's fanfic rewrite of the Thrawn Trilogy.

And the morons will clap.

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