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[Jaimas]

@Gehenna and @Jaimas what are your thoughts on Internet Daddy believing that Trump talking about the election fraud in 2020 is a bad move.

Peterson's a decent guy with some good ideas on personal responsibility and self-empowerment, but he doesn't know shit about politics, and it bleeds through when it comes to issues where you need to go for the throat. To use a common example - CRT is a fucking non-starter policy wise on both sides of the political aisle; left, right, center, they all hate it, and the only ones who are outright supportive of it are the hard lefties and race grifters. Similarly, the thing about calling out the 2020 fraud for what it is is that pretty much everyone already knows, even if they won't admit it. At this point, even a massive chunk of the Dem hardline believes Trump got robbed (they're much more split on whether or not this was a good thing, of course), to say nothing of the people outside that hardline base that never saw Biden as legitimate.

So why is it Peterson thinks avoiding it is the better option? He's trying to logic it out, but he's using the wrong frame of mind for it. In his mind, as I understand it, there's a thousand more direct issues you can hammer that are vastly more effective, so locking these seems like a waste. The reason he's wrong is that every one of these is another chink in the armor, and the Biden Administration, starved as it is, cannot afford to let any go unresponded to - and in those responses it will always overreach.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

The Anons I keep up with have been on his ass for going after frogposters. Insert "two retards fighting" picture here, and all that nonsense.

Lindsey serves a significant purpose (he's the messenger and guy who forced himself to read through academic literature man-made horrors beyond my comprehension, and can get ahold of those "Well, I'm not a Trump fan" guys or those who just can't listen to Alex Jones. However, the Hero Syndrome needs to stop.

Yeah, there have some slap fights between him and the Paleocon/Reactionary end of the Right on Twitter that have been interesting in a geopolitisperg kind of way. I've been curious if the "old" Right would start slipping back in as the NeoCons and Establishment Republicans lose the power to gatekeep them out. I feel like I'd need to make an effort post on my views of how the Conservative movement in America is set up to explain, but in short the goal of the "intellectual" wing of American Conservatism has been to gatekeep the more nationalistic and isolationist Paleocons out of the movement, even though most American Conservatives lean in that direction. This was William F Buckley and the National Review did, but their grasp on the base has been weakened by Trump and his populism severely. There's a bit of a void that I think the IDW is attempting to slip into and that's a problem.

Wouldn't be a write up for phone posting though.

 

[RiverFalcon]

https://archive.fo/GslLU

@Gehenna Is this a sign of something deeper or is a cigar just a cigar?

I would be extremely interested if anyone can glean additional information on this. That said this cigar may just be a cigar. I would not be surprised if Lander was treating staff the same way he would treat those in his lab at MIT only to find out they either couldn't or wouldn't take it.

Edit: I will say though that this seems like an overreaction to "bullying", at least by academia standards, but we haven't exactly been given much to go on.

If people want I can try to go more into detail about Lander's reputation as a scientist and why I think it might just be Lander being Lander, but that might get a little off topic here and I probably won't be able to get much info about his time at the white house.

 

[Oats12345]

Peterson has said some stupid shit recently, on Joe Rogan recently he said that the American middle class being destroyed thanks to offshoring to Chyna is good because Chyna now has hundred of thousands of engineers......who are fucking idiots and I'd never buy anything they engineered.

The election was stolen. It's pretty obvious now, Arizona isn't an outlier. Don't try and say "Republicans gerrymander too" when they get slapped down all the time and RINOs exist. Stick to teaching people to clean their rooms and value yourself.

Peterson has said some good stuff and dome retarded stuff over the years. You know a human being

 

[Breadbassket]

Some News Articles:

There is more talk about the next potential Supreme Court justice, discussion about the Biden administration handing out "smoking kits" is making the rounds, the government is going to pay community groups to "boost trust" in COVID vaccines, a poll says Trump voters are now twice as likely as Biden voters to say Russia-Ukraine conflict is 'none of America's business' and White House science advisor Eric Lander resigns after admitting to behavioral issues.

The surprising liberal consensus emerging about Biden's Supreme Court decision

Psaki not sure if Biden consulting Anita Hill on Supreme Court pick

Biden administration to fund programs to hand out crack pipes

The Biden administration will pay community groups to boost trust in COVID vaccines

Poll: Trump voters now twice as likely as Biden voters to say Russia-Ukraine conflict is 'none of America’s business'

Biden Cabinet member resigns after admitting to 'disrespectful' behavior toward colleagues

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

The Biden administration will pay community groups to boost trust in COVID vaccines

Nigger, just give it up already. The proles won't listen to you, the goddamn President of the United States. What makes you think "community groups" will fare better? Also, throwing more of our money down the toilet. Gee, thanks.

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

Nigger, just give it up already. The proles won't listen to you, the goddamn President of the United States. What makes you think "community groups" will fare better? Also, throwing more of our money down the toilet. Gee, thanks.

Even past that, community groups to appeal to Whom? If you're trying to reach the conservative antivaxxers, are you planning to fund conservative groups? Do you think that group is gonna retain much influence when they suddenly flip the narrative?

Nah, this is just cash handouts to the progressives on the ground to try and quiet some discontent, and let them continue raving at the other side like they've always done. There's no ground group with effective influence that will accept that money or deal.

 

[Gehenna]

https://archive.fo/GslLU

@Gehenna Is this a sign of something deeper or is a cigar just a cigar?

Difficult to say at this time. It's clear that what he is being fired for is a smokescreen though. The problem is that without more information on what the actual reason is we can only speculate.

@Gehenna and @Jaimas what are your thoughts on Internet Daddy believing that Trump talking about the election fraud in 2020 is a bad move.

See below

Peterson is a classic example of someone who is highly educated and intelligent, who believes that their educational intelligence transfers from the fields they understand to every other field. When you're talking about psychology and fields related to that (psych history, social anthropology, behavioural ethics, collective stories and such) he's pretty much on point. He's at his best when he's asking questions on his podcast, even though he can get a bit transcendental. He's at his worst when he's the one answering questions; once he starts talking about politics, he gets a bit out there. The farther he is from his knowledge domain, the more insane he sounds when he's being queried. I certainly wouldn't ask him how to resolve pathfinding in arbitrarily large, multi-dimensional arrays, for instance, but I'd be inclined to trust his answers about the influence and growth of social structures.

Peterson's a decent guy with some good ideas on personal responsibility and self-empowerment, but he doesn't know shit about politics, and it bleeds through when it comes to issues where you need to go for the throat. To use a common example - CRT is a fucking non-starter policy wise on both sides of the political aisle; left, right, center, they all hate it, and the only ones who are outright supportive of it are the hard lefties and race grifters. Similarly, the thing about calling out the 2020 fraud for what it is is that pretty much everyone already knows, even if they won't admit it. At this point, even a massive chunk of the Dem hardline believes Trump got robbed (they're much more split on whether or not this was a good thing, of course), to say nothing of the people outside that hardline base that never saw Biden as legitimate.

So why is it Peterson thinks avoiding it is the better option? He's trying to logic it out, but he's using the wrong frame of mind for it. In his mind, as I understand it, there's a thousand more direct issues you can hammer that are vastly more effective, so locking these seems like a waste. The reason he's wrong is that every one of these is another chink in the armor, and the Biden Administration, starved as it is, cannot afford to let any go unresponded to - and in those responses it will always overreach.

Between these two, they cover it in totality. There is a reason I personally try to keep my opinions to the realm of politics. Peterson is a shining example of what happens when an expert in one field thinks it makes them an expert in all fields.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

community groups to appeal to Whom?

Black people, who have one of the lowest vaccination rates in America.

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

Peterson is a shining example of what happens when an expert in one field thinks it makes them an expert in all fields.

He's also Canadian. I don't walk into Canadian topics and profess myself an expert or an interested party; Peterson shouldn't waddle into American politics and profess himself an expert or an interested party.

 

[Beavis]

WTF? White House now says they never wanted lockdowns and most of them happened under Drumph.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/white-house-now-says-it-never-really-wanted-lockdowns

 

[Breadbassket]

WTF? White House now says they never wanted lockdowns and most of them happened under Drumph.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/white-house-now-says-it-never-really-wanted-lockdowns

Midterms are around the corner and the approval ratings are in the dumps so maybe the plan is to spin a narrative that the Republican Party and Trump are responsible for all the lockdowns and mandates. I think someone earlier predicted this as a possibility. If I recall they said that if the Democratic Party did this the Republican Party wouldn't really know how to react because it makes things more complicated then rightfully blaming the other party for pushing all of this restrictive lockdown policy in the first place.

 

[CarlosDanger]

"Everyday reality calls the Biden administration and everyday Biden hangs up the phone."

 

[Oats12345]

Midterms are around the corner and the approval ratings are in the dumps so maybe the plan is to spin a narrative that the Republican Party and Trump are responsible for all the lockdowns and mandates. I think someone earlier predicted this as a possibility. If I recall they said that if the Democratic Party did this the Republican Party wouldn't really know how to react because it makes things more complicated then rightfully blaming the other party for pushing all of this restrictive lockdown policy in the first place.

Republicans could point to the fact that Trump said in the presidential debates that he wanted no more lockdowns and less restrictions. Well Biden for the past year was trying to push restrictions non stop.

 

[FlappyBat]

Republicans could point to the fact that Trump said in the presidential debates that he wanted no more lockdowns and less restrictions. Well Biden for the past year was trying to push restrictions non stop.

The left pushed the idea that republicans were the ones wanting to defund the police and their adherents ate it up like slop. The party line never has to make sense, it just has to feel good to say.

The point is not to persuade, it is to demoralize your opponents and rejuvenate your supporters.

 

[Back me up!]

Midterms are around the corner and the approval ratings are in the dumps so maybe the plan is to spin a narrative that the Republican Party and Trump are responsible for all the lockdowns and mandates. I think someone earlier predicted this as a possibility. If I recall they said that if the Democratic Party did this the Republican Party wouldn't really know how to react because it makes things more complicated then rightfully blaming the other party for pushing all of this restrictive lockdown policy in the first place.

Just run ads of Democratic Party people forcing children to run wear masks (while they don't) for the past year along with forcing mandates on everything. Just keep it to everything past Jan 20 cause god damn there is enough stuff in here.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

"Everyday reality calls the Biden administration and everyday Biden hangs up the phone."

Nah it's more like this...

Biden: "yes, who is this? No i don't want to change my existing cable provider, stop calling me! Wait, what's going on? Who am I? Why am I holding this phone? Oh well" *click*

 

[The Nothingness]

Midterms are around the corner and the approval ratings are in the dumps so maybe the plan is to spin a narrative that the Republican Party and Trump are responsible for all the lockdowns and mandates. I think someone earlier predicted this as a possibility. If I recall they said that if the Democratic Party did this the Republican Party wouldn't really know how to react because it makes things more complicated then rightfully blaming the other party for pushing all of this restrictive lockdown policy in the first place.

Gaslighting bastards. But it's not at all surprising.

 

[CarlosDanger]

Trying to paint the Republicans as the party of lockdowns will work as well as when Democrats tried painting them as the defund the police party.

 

[The Ugly One]

Trying to paint the Republicans as the party of lockdowns will work as well as when Democrats tried painting them as the defund the police party.

Republicans R Real Lockdowners

When you sound like a conservative, you're losing.