When did you hit Peak BLM and why?

It's not letting me quote for some reason, but replying to this post.

This was intentional on the part of the police, as a major part of the town's revenue came from bail payments, fines, and civil forfeiture.
Yeah they did it for money not because they hated black people. The city of Ferguson was struggling with its budget. To be sure, probably a factor is demographic change and white flight, so they were raising less tax money.

You're asking why people are looting stores like that is the major issue. That's easy: they're pissed off, have nothing to lose, the situation makes it easy, and they hate the country they live in for treating them like shit their whole lives.
No, the media tells them their country treats them like shit, and they believe it.

When the civil rights movement happened there was a moment when black communities were poised to gain some sort actual progress for themselves. America quickly responded with the war on drugs, mass incarceration, and assaults on everything from public education to mental health services. This was not a historical accident, it was calculated to rip apart black families, make it impossible for their children to leave the shithole they grew up in, and politically crush them.
Really, when was this calculation done? Did a bunch of politicians collect in a smoke-filled room and say, "Black people are doing too well. Let's crack down on drugs to rip apart their families, because we hate them so much."? In reality, nearly every liberal politician, and many conservatives, push extreme measures to help blacks. (Most of these measures are stupid, but politicians are gonna politician.)

The war on drugs, for example, was considered by many proponents to be a way of helping black people, since the belief was that rampant drug use was killing black communities.

Historically whenever black communities in the US get too influential, too wealthy, too stable, we destroy them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre
That's only the most famous example of something that has happened constantly and in different forms for centuries.
Even that extremely biased Wikipedia article says it was one of the worst incidents, so no it's not representative. The riot wasn't a plot because blacks were getting too wealthy. It was a series of escalations and false rumors that blew up. You know, similar to when the media spreads false stories that police are racist, and so a bunch of criminals loot and burn down a city center.

When you do this, over and over, when you make it impossible for these people to enter mainstream society, for literal centuries, do you think it produces happy, optimistic, patriotic, or even nice individuals?
There are a huge number of blacks in the mainstream, and have been for decades. It is clearly not impossible. Indeed, these days blacks are given favorable treatment in almost every industry.
 
The fact that the whole movement is based on a faulty premise that black people are in danger from white people, when in fact white-on-black violence is statistically the least common form of racial violence

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Exactly this.

This is what is blatantly ignored by BLM grifters and "activists". Black killed by whites is predominently lower that black killed by blacks. Even if their breaking into innocent stores, causing thousands of dollars in property damage through riots, and overwhelming the police force somehow stopped white violence against blacks, then we'd still have bloods and crips causing gang wars and getting innocents caught in the middle, random drive by, and open violence in black neighborhoods.

If BLM actually gave a shit about stopping violence against blacks, they'd start in their own communities, first. Drop the "stop snitching" hood bullshit, keep black fathers in the home, stop demonizing unbroken families, keep kids off the streets and out of gangs, and work together as the community that BLM keeps saying it supports.

But I imagine that process is a lot more difficult than just pinning it on whites.
 
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A lot of what you just wrote is basically just going "lol no". Unfortunately, it's actually lol yes. You can go read the DOJ report on Ferguson right now, since then there's been a million and one investigations into local police departments all over the country you can pour over if you feel like being depressed. People have been raising alarm bells about (for lack of a better term) for-profit policing for decades. Your average Barnes And Nobel has an entire section devoted to the study of how fucked up this is. Police militarization, the rise and accelerating usage of things like no-knock raids or swat teams for otherwise mundane arrest warrents and in response to protests, that's all well documented also. This is a great book on it written by a guy who, while he has libertarian leanings, is pretty far from a leftist.


When you talk about racial inequality and its causes you're talking about very complicated issues that most people aren't equipped to understand. Not because they're stupid but because most people have more of an actual life then losers like me and don't think reading about 1980's drug policy is "fun". But yes, it's all very complicated and there's a lot of factors that go into it and a lot of reasons we ended up here. But between that and America's general unwillingness to admit its own faults we've often turned a blind eye to just how divided we actually are and just how extreme the results of it have been for black people specifically in this country.

Never mind the government, for a long time most major unions in the US barred black people from being members. They were systematically cut out of every major institution, private and public, and were left to rot on the fringes of society. There's really no overstating how historically voiceless black people are. They were barely even allowed to fight in the civil war, a conflict ostensibly about their own bondage. Whenever they started to overcome this systematic alienation the boot came down again. I think after what happened after George Floyd died you'd have to be hiding your head in the sand to not realize how violent this actually looks, also. The American right refuses to admit it happened but we all saw it with our own eyes on TV, all over the country police decked out in military surplus gear were attacking reporters and otherwise peaceful demonstrators. We got to watch this happen in real time in virtually every major American city. I remember watching a live stream of the Ferguson trial verdict before that. Everything was peaceful, then within a minute of the grand jury decision the police were lobbing insane amounts of tear gas at the crowd and firing rubber bullets. Nobody even had time to riot, they just straight up wanted to do that from the get go.

Powerlevel, after Eric Garner died I attended a rather large protest in Manhattan. A moment that always sticks out to me, this girl was walking down the street with a water bottle calmly and a cop just saw her, walked over, and said "why did you throw that bottle?". This is some tiny white chick, just out of high school. She has no idea what game is being played here. She stammers "w...what?". He rips the bottle out of her hand and says "I saw you throw this. I can put you in jail for a long time." For whatever reason he walked away instead. But he could have, if he wanted to do the paperwork. We all know. And who would have argued? Later on the day I got to witness them pepper spraying people for shits and giggles and blasting LRADS in peoples faces from like 3 feet away, also seemingly for shits and giggles (if you don't know what that is, it can straight up make your ears bleed). I didn't see a single act of vandalism or violence from a crowd of 50,000 or so, but I saw plenty from the cops.

Let's not pretend the world is always just and loving, and let's DEFINITELY not pretend cops are known for their empathy and patience.

So not only do you have a country that has historically done everything in its power to keep black people as close to the material conditions of slavery as it can, it responds with sheer terror and violence whenever it feels that control slipping.

Acting like these things don't happen, like they don't have serious impacts on communities, like black people on the whole don't understand and notice this shit, is just hiding your head in the sand. I can talk about this shit for hours, I really can. Because it's interesting and sad and I like interesting and sad things. But the long short is we have actual conflicts in this country, and they are deep, and they are probably impossible to solve, and on top of all of that they mark people. Every single one of us is a victim of our country's history in one way or another. We have to live in the aftermath of the brutality and greed of powerful people, often long dead, and if there was an easy, loving, way to get out of that I like to think we would have by now.

You accused me of saying black people "lack agency". I respond by reminding you that "agency" doesn't stop bullets.

Another problem Americans have when it comes to understanding ourselves, we believe in individualism to such an extent we don't realize that at the end of the day power is real, governments are real, the justice system is real, the economy is real, and that none of us have any fucking control whatsoever over how these things develop. They are an amalgamation of centuries of policy and struggle that no single human being, anywhere, has any say over.

All the "agency" in the world is not going to stop America's historical demons from launching a tear gas cannister directly into your face.

There is no end to this story as it is still being written. The present is a slave to the past. And it always will be. And none of us, not the cops or anybody else, has any real say in it. There's a scene in the movie Network where the main character explains that global capitalism is really the only thing in the world that matters and that all of us are totally helpless. His ratings tank because as the narrator explains "people don't like being told their lives are completely meaningless".

I can admit that much: people definitely don't like hearing what I just typed.
 
Imma keep it real with ya chief...ain't nobody reading your "here's why the brainless retard rioters of BLM are actually goodbois!!!" essay. Keep on white knighting though, if that's what floats your hole-riddled boat.

Null said in an older stream that he hit "peak BLM" with Trayvon Martin and I agree. I was in late middle school during that, I think. Never subscribed to the narrative to begin with but I was definitely "woke" early on to the fact the media would only use pictures of Trayvon as a baby with Skittles instead of the more recent unsavory photographs, never brought up his criminal record, and kept saying Zimmerman (?) was "white hispanic," a phrase nobody had ever really used before.
 
A lot of what you just wrote is basically just going "lol no".
Its not a lol no, I took the time to respond to each and every one of your points, even with the reply button broken. You don't have the patience to listen to a black man talk about racial relations and belittle what they are actually saying?

And you're a new yorker? Lol okay.

This is what "Lol no" looks like.
 
I peaked when I watched Jim's Justice for Jamar streams in 2015. The whole thing was a shitshow from start to finish. The protest was basically hoodrats having a block party with social activists that are clearly not from around there. They talk big with their "whos streets? Our streets" chant and talking about their community, but they are littering and valdilizing an already ran down neighborhood throughout the "protest". All the photos of them being threatened and intimidated by police on Twitter was staged and they were in never any real danger. And the cherry on top was #fuckparis and the brother of the nig that bit it shouting that he supports ISIS because they where mad that a major terrorist attack on a nation's capital was stealing attention away from their protests.

All that was 5 years ago and BLM really hasn't changed at all.
 
I peaked when I watched Jim's Justice for Jamar streams in 2015. The whole thing was a shitshow from start to finish. The protest was basically hoodrats having a block party with social activists that are clearly not from around there. They talk big with their "whos streets? Our streets" chant and talking about their community, but they are littering and valdilizing an already ran down neighborhood throughout the "protest". All the photos of them being threatened and intimidated by police on Twitter was staged and they were in never any real danger. And the cherry on top was #fuckparis and the brother of the nig that bit it shouting that he supports ISIS because they where mad that a major terrorist attack on a nation's capital was stealing attention away from their protests.

All that was 5 years ago and BLM really hasn't changed at all.
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I gave up on BLM when it came back to life after George Floyd, I wasn't really following current events closely until late 2015-early 2016 so I wasn't fully aware of what was going on with Ferguson/Trayvon Martin so when 2020 happened I realized how little they learned or changed since the movement started in 2013.

They really don't care about solving any of these problems and they are doubling down on everything they've done since 2013. I've seen people in this movement say bringing up black on black crime in urban areas is a whataboutism.

It's a terrorist organization at this point, nothing more, nothing less.
 
It's a terrorist organization at this point, nothing more, nothing less.
I guess that would explain the cop killings....

Slight powerlevel here but I am one of those people who have a rather level of faith in law enforcement because they have helped me personally get out of really bad situations; note I didn't put myself in those, but that's beside the point. I'm thankful for their help but I'm well aware that there are/have been cases of corruption within the police, although it wasn't race-related.

I think that is one of the reasons why the cop killings and ACAB strike such a sour note with me.

But I guess that's just me comparing oranges to apples because we don't have nearly the long history of contentious race relations that the US has.

Hence the lack of need for a BLM group but here we are...
 
They really don't care about solving any of these problems and they are doubling down on everything they've done since 2013. I've seen people in this movement say bringing up black on black crime in urban areas is a whataboutism.
Not only do they not attempt to solve the issues, they exacerbate them. They never address the gang issue, so crime goes up, leading to more police, who in turn are in danger whenever a crime happens, so they turn to using lethal force, which then leads to random BLM grifters talking about how all "them evil white cops be shootin our youth and shit, now donate to mah gofundme #BLM".

If they solved the issue themselves, then the blame falls on them, and for BLM's grift to work, they have to blame literally anyone else. "Black on black violence is happening? Nah, that's a whataboutism, my nigga". "Gangs on the streets? Our black bruthas wouldn't be joinin gangs if the #hwyteman didn't bring them down." BLM teaches black people that nothing is their fault and that all the shit that happens to them is because of whites. And when you're told by everyone in your community that the game was rigged from the start, why would you bother straightening out your community?

BLM tells people that the white man is responsible for brining black people down, when it's the literal opposite.
 
The moment I realized it was a corporate brand label created in order to give a race of objective failures some cheap outlet in the misery of living their antisocial, hateful, abusive little lives. It has no goal and no solution; just a chance for hideous, obese sheboons to indulge their narcissistic complexes and thugs to burn and loot businesses that will go to utter waste. It's nihilistic and fake, and only its leaders - the same fat preachers and race grifters that have always been - know it. It's a back-broken, buck-broken, belligerent blight on this country, and it will never be anything more than a contingent of useful idiots for the Leftie Massas to wrangle up when they need a distraction; and I happily await the day whitey just snaps.

So the non-tangential answer: the very moment it began.
 
I never really supported it but I knew it was bullshit around the time of those Missoula protests with Shaun King. This was when Gamergate was going on and I got plenty of exposure to SJW type shit through that, and was able to instantly recognize that BLM was just another social justice grift.
 
I somehow avoided news of it until around "Saint" George Floyd. I think because I didn't really care about news a ton in the years before that, despite a major headline or two. Once the nationwide riots began, it was very clear to me what their goals were, a bunch of race politics that wanted to burn cities down or just get stuff because of their skin color. If I had caught wind of them in my college years, I might have been supportive, but thankfully I woke up from those delusions around the time I saw what was happening with Trump as he managed to get elected.
 
BLM are just black panthers with a different coat paint to appeal to the stupid and white soycialists.

Simple as.
I wish they were Black Panthers. While I don't support all the cells or their entire platform, at least they actually did shit, got organized, cut down on crime in black neighborhoods with self policing, helped organize some of the first free school lunches, etc. They may of had some divisive language, but they at least knew their shit and it wasn't just a grift necessarily, or a feel good "look at me ma' Im a part of history" thing.

All on 1/100th of the money that BLM has received.
 
My Peak BLM moment was when I was on Nanowrimo forums in 2020, scrolling through posts of this thread called "Police Brutality Rant". At that time, I was sympathetic towards Floyd and wanted to know what everybody's thoughts about the situation were. Wasn't until I saw tons of emotional poop flinging ("We're literally KILLED in the streets who cares about stores" - nothing needs to be said about that lol) and actual posts that differentiated from the "norm" got flagged.

Won't say I stopped browsing the forums on that site entirely (I just avoid bait shit and political stuff because my posts got flagged when I was arguing against the idea of having a community on the main site that dedicated to "POC" writers two years back). Just that a good chunk of the users on there are just fucking stupid lol.
 
Besides, 500 years of history is "the source". Good luck with that. Literally all of society got us here.
Fuck off, white boy. You can suck them off all day, and niggers still loathe you. No black born post 1970 has a fucking clue about racism in this country. It doesn't exist. Before 1970, they had a legitimate beef. Now, they can fuck right off.
 
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