When did you hit Peak BLM and why?

[DiscoRodeo]

Oh sweet, a thread for me to necro.
Okay so personally, I, despite being a black person, have always been indifferent to BLM, though my autistic younger self hated the name because I felt it excluded racism experienced by other races.

Spoiler: ranting

It¨s also not helped that I live in a country that really doesn't have a need for BLM and yet we have a BLM group that knows its existence is needless so they sperg on about complete non-issues like an article talking about lower AIDS cases for gay men and the article picture had a white and a black guy in it.

BLM over here began reeee'ing about how it was racist because it implied that black people were dirty which is just

I try to tell myself that it's a good message but bad practice but my disillusionment began during the Floyd thing and I met a fuck ton of grifters who reee'd about black voices, "anti-blackness" and when every company posted black squares and shit while BLM was LARPing as martyrs by labeling everyone slightly critical of them as their mortal enemy of the holy blackness.

To put it short, it grew into the victim Olympics.

Fun times, and aye.

It seems that even the mainstream media is catching onto the grift now, with "where did the millions of dollars in donations wind up", but needless to say, BLM is something that I think does set back the black community and is entirely faux activism that centers around pressuring corrupt politicians into "bettering your lives for you", when thats the farthest thing they will usually do, and its really up to these communities themselves to better their own living conditions.

But like many other threads, theres far too many black people in the US who fail to take any personal responsibility over their own lives. And I get it, people get dealt hard hands all the time, but if your solution is to try and get the democrats to "make the government act better towards black people" or jump onto whatever bandwagon is popular at the time, instead of actually organizing your own community watches, trying to curb gun violence, trying to create a culture that doesnt celebrate gang warfare, etc- you're setting yourself up for even further failure.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

Oh sweet, a thread for me to necro.
Okay so personally, I, despite being a black person, have always been indifferent to BLM, though my autistic younger self hated the name because I felt it excluded racism experienced by other races.

Spoiler: ranting

It¨s also not helped that I live in a country that really doesn't have a need for BLM and yet we have a BLM group that knows its existence is needless so they sperg on about complete non-issues like an article talking about lower AIDS cases for gay men and the article picture had a white and a black guy in it.

BLM over here began reeee'ing about how it was racist because it implied that black people were dirty which is just

I try to tell myself that it's a good message but bad practice but my disillusionment began during the Floyd thing and I met a fuck ton of grifters who reee'd about black voices, "anti-blackness" and when every company posted black squares and shit while BLM was LARPing as martyrs by labeling everyone slightly critical of them as their mortal enemy of the holy blackness.

To put it short, it grew into the victim Olympics.

If they believed all black lives mattered they would care about the black children and elderly killed by gangsters. Therefore the only lives they thought mattered were those of young black men killed by cops, often whom were less sympathetic. Literally they tended to focus on the least sympathetic people imaginable, often glossing over more egregious cases of police violence.

They had a good grift but it’s hard to feel sympathy for an organization that steals from everyone and permits banditry. I find it ironic how many people were ok with protestors blocking streets when it was BLM but have a complete meltdown when truckers do it, even minority truckers. I also was not amused by the looting and damage done to small businesses, many of which will never return. Many communities are still damaged because of riots that occurred decades ago but they didn’t care. I was also bothered by their coldness to people who lost relatives to criminals, and especially that one girl who lost a sibling to rioters. Even if I didn’t feel sympathy for some of the young men that are killed, if they provided funeral expenses, I would be more sympathetic to it heir organization. Instead they buy homes across the US and Canada.

 

[Isaac]

I hit peak BLM when I learned about George Floyd through a meme of one of the sneed characters kneeling on his neck

 

[DenseDeerFather]

It seems that even the mainstream media is catching onto the grift now, with "where did the millions of dollars in donations wind up", but needless to say, BLM is something that I think does set back the black community and is entirely faux activism that centers around pressuring corrupt politicians into "bettering your lives for you", when thats the farthest thing they will usually do, and its really up to these communities themselves to better their own living conditions.

But like many other threads, theres far too many black people in the US who fail to take any personal responsibility over their own lives. And I get it, people get dealt hard hands all the time, but if your solution is to try and get the democrats to "make the government act better towards black people" or jump onto whatever bandwagon is popular at the time, instead of actually organizing your own community watches, trying to curb gun violence, trying to create a culture that doesnt celebrate gang warfare, etc- you're setting yourself up for even further failure.

Yeah, I heard about the sketchy handling of funds. I agree that BLM is really not putting the black community in a good light. It's not helped by grifters going ACAB at every turn.

Something that I noticed was the antagonism some members love to employ towards anyone (even their own, and hoteps whatever that is). It's somehow always the fault of the "anti-blackness" or the white people and the grifters demand shit like reparations.

I feel like they expect others to fix their lives for them while they scream on Twitter instead of trying to do shit themselves.

I'm glad to see that people are at least beginning to wake up to the bullshit. Hopefully, the BLM group over here fucks off too, (black people aren't even the most discriminated minority here, it's Arab and Middle Eastern ethnicities)

If they believed all black lives mattered they would care about the black children and elderly killed by gangsters. Therefore the only lives they thought mattered were those of young black men killed by cops, often whom were less sympathetic. Literally they tended to focus on the least sympathetic people imaginable, often glossing over more egregious cases of police violence.

They had a good grift but it’s hard to feel sympathy for an organization that steals from everyone and permits banditry. I find it ironic how many people were ok with protestors blocking streets when it was BLM but have a complete meltdown when truckers do it, even minority truckers. I also was not amused by the looting and damage done to small businesses, many of which will never return. Many communities are still damaged because of riots that occurred decades ago but they didn’t care. I was also bothered by their coldness to people who lost relatives to criminals, and especially that one girl who lost a sibling to rioters. Even if I didn’t feel sympathy for some of the young men that are killed, if they provided funeral expenses, I would be more sympathetic to it heir organization. Instead they buy homes across the US and Canada.

I was so over the rioting, the roadblocks, the burning and looting. And then people go "oh they are rioting so they can get heard" which is a shit excuse because it does the exact opposite.

And then retards had the gall to say "only burn businesses owned by white people". How about not burning any businesses.

God fucking dammit, my view of the organization hit rock bottom during the Floyd thing.

Edit: spelling and phrasing.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

If they believed all black lives mattered they would care about the black children and elderly killed by gangsters.

From the start, when people pointed out that abolishing the police would ramp up crime, it was virtol.

When they switched goalposts to "defund the police", same thing.

We saw crime skyrocket in black neighborhoods, and now they are quietly trying to reverse course.

In reference to this specifically, remember when three black teenagers were gunned down in the CHAZ? Pepperidge farms remembers, but for all the cries for "accountability", noone stepped forward within the CHAZ to own up to it.

Therefore the only lives they thought mattered were those of young black men killed by cops, often whom were less sympathetic.

Black lives only matter as a punchline, and when its not the cops killing black people, to liberals, it does not make a good punchline to be snide and cynical about, even though they are some of the most cynical people out there, it's a selective cynicism and one that turned hypocritical and not even necessarily accurate long ago.

I find it ironic how many people were ok with protestors blocking streets when it was BLM but have a complete meltdown when truckers do it, even minority truckers.

Remember when BLM started these marches during the first Covid summer, and suddenly it was okay to march around publicly en masse and this wasn't a superspreader phenomena, but Trump rallies were? Anyways, more hypocrisy with this movement and its supporters.

"anti-blackness"

Its just a jive way of saying that your success makes me feel inadequate about my failures, so therefore youre the bad one! Total crab mentality.

I'm glad to see that people are at least beginning to wake up to the bullshit.

This is the one disappointing thing to me, people seem to associate black activism = BLM, and if youre against BLM youre against black activism, when literally, this organization has been grifting since Ferguson, they literally had twitter hashtags screaming that the Bataclan massacre and Pulse night club shootings in Florida didn't matter and people were racist for not paying more attention to black people, etc.

Fuck them, and for the organizer grifters who stole millions? Fuck them too. There's a lot of literal blood on their hands, for every downtown burnt down due to their larp, and all the defunded regions where crime skyrocketed this summer. They deserve to experience the same kind of lawless zone they condemned many of their own "people" to.

 

[SofondaCox]

It's always the burning and looting and inarticulate bullshit blurbs about how everything is the fault of somebody else. Every single race has been enslaved at one point or another by somebody. This one group just can't get over, and it's because in their hearts, they know they and their culture are scum. You wouldn't be triggered by somebody saying 'nigger' if you
didn't believe somewhere in your body it was true, and the constant need for asspats and affirmation is tedious as shit. I don't care about black people. Never have. They aren't in my
spectrum of concern. White people who can't stop falling all over themselves to 'accept' blacks and their foul culture should go right in the pit beside them.

The losses at Bataclan mean more to me than every nigger death in the history of niggerdom. Fuck off.

I care as much as they do, which is not at all.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

Even if they had a point that I prescribed to, in that they were owed aid from the state,

Every single proposition that they have obviously just ends in ruin or is pointless. Don't get me wrong, if there was something that worked to redress historical ills, Id be all for it.

How things often turn out, however, is
"We need money"
>If we just give you money, do you promise not to spend it on fancy rims and drugs?
"Hael naw!"

or #AbolishThePolice, #DefundThePolice, #MakeWhitePeopleKissOurFeet, #DecriminalizeCrimeUnder700, etc.

The kind of actual reform that may help black people is almost never on the table, because it would require an equal amount of black agency to work and the moment you say that, noone wants to hear that hard truth.

Someone could find a solution that would redress a historical wrong, imagined or not, so it would get people to stop trying to grift off it it. Find a successful program, or if not, I just don't care. Frankly, I don't think that a government solution exists to redress historical wrongs properly, or that they can even really be redressed. Everyone has had historic ill done to their "people", but in terms of how that affects you today, the best analogy is that you may be dealt a poor hand, but you still try to play it well. Black people literally grab the hand, throw it on the ground, and try to grab cards from other people. If someone is helping themselves as best as they can, with what they have, I'm instantly sympathetic, but thats almost never the case with black people.

Affirmative action in housing? Doesn't do much of anything. Clinton forcing banks to be open to giving loans to black people/deregulating banking requirements? Guess what? Now you have strippers (both white and black) taking out loans to buy mansions in Florida in the early 2000s. Just giving millions of dollars to BLM? We all know how that turned out.

 

[BelUwUga]

Easy, Wednesday Nov 5, 2008 at about 8:24am. That was the day after Obama won the election, when the buses arrived at my school to drop off students, as well as act as a hub for bussing to other schools in the district. The non-white students pretty much did their level best to start a riot in the courtyard the second they stepped off the bus. Not targeting individuals, it was any white people. I understand this predates BLM but I argue there are no peaks on a flat line. I have 0 regard for them and I will have more than that as soon as they can behave like rational adults. That's not a timeline I control but I don't see that happening for the indefinite future. They're far closer to "mattering" at this point in the sense that a coyote spotted near livestock matters. I think they're delusional if they think forcing people's hands is really going to inspire an action with a positive outcome for them.

 

[DenseDeerFather]

It's always the burning and looting and inarticulate bullshit blurbs about how everything is the fault of somebody else. Every single race has been enslaved at one point or another by somebody.

A lot of people ought to hear this actually. Yet the BLM people will act like it's exclusively black people.

I think this mentality is what led to BIPOC, which is a term that weirds me the fuck out.

This one group just can't get over, and it's because in their hearts, they know they and their culture are scum. You wouldn't be triggered by somebody saying 'nigger' if you
didn't believe somewhere in your body it was true, and the constant need for asspats and affirmation is tedious as shit.

It is interesting to me that non-white people specifically get very defensive about their culture, skin color and any perceived slights. I think black and Latinos tend to be more excessive about it.

Spoiler: tiny rant

Remembering a conversation with a Mexican bitching about how "dirty gringos" ruin her amazing super duper special culture and got offended over taco bowls.

Even in Scandinavia where black people have only endured a fraction of what has historically happened in the US, some of them still throw a bitchfit.

They got one hell of a chip on their shoulder.
And indeed, some black people (people of all races really) live in horrid conditions but they also don't collectively reee about it on the internet and blame it on everyone else.

Indeed, history has not been kind to people or any race but it's not really helping anything by talking about "trauma from slavery" which none of them would have experienced and still be alive today.
I've come to notice that it's often the most privileged screaming the loudest.

Even as a black myself, it is super exhausting to hear about how all that matters is black this, black that, we wuz kangs and all kinds of black shit. They tend to be even more relentless when you don't buy into their bullshit but demand that you do because "b-but your people"

Ironically they tend to be one of those people who claim black people cannot be racist but will gladly call you "anti-black" or outright racist when you don't give a shit about their screeching.

 

[SofondaCox]

A lot of people ought to hear this actually. Yet the BLM people will act like it's exclusively black people.

I think this mentality is what led to BIPOC, which is a term that weirds me the fuck out.

It is interesting to me that non-white people specifically get very defensive about their culture, skin color and any perceived slights. I think black and Latinos tend to be more excessive about it.

Spoiler: tiny rant

Remembering a conversation with a Mexican bitching about how "dirty gringos" ruin her amazing super duper special culture and got offended over taco bowls.

Even in Scandinavia where black people have only endured a fraction of what has historically happened in the US, some of them still throw a bitchfit.

They got one hell of a chip on their shoulder.
And indeed, some black people (people of all races really) live in horrid conditions but they also don't collectively reee about it on the internet and blame it on everyone else.

Indeed, history has not been kind to people or any race but it's not really helping anything by talking about "trauma from slavery" which none of them would have experienced and still be alive today.
I've come to notice that it's often the most privileged screaming the loudest.

Even as a black myself, it is super exhausting to hear about how all that matters is black this, black that, we wuz kangs and all kinds of black shit. They tend to be even more relentless when you don't buy into their bullshit but demand that you do because "b-but your people"

Ironically they tend to be one of those people who claim black people cannot be racist but will gladly call you "anti-black" or outright racist when you don't give a shit about their screeching.

It sucks being brown and sane right now.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

When I see riots I don't get incredulous. What's the point? And lest you think me a hypocrite the same goes for those retards on Jan 6th. Hate it or not, it happened, and it had reasons for happening. Because everything has a reason for happening. And it's usually not a simple one. If millions of people across the country feel so alienated, scared, and powerless that they're going to light their own neighborhood on fire out of pure despair I think that's a good reason to stop getting angry and ask why they feel like that.

That's one thing that sticks out to me. Where the worst of all this has happened was in neighborhoods that the people who treat BLM like a terrorist organization never go to, and in normal times don't care about. Run down ghettos that have been decaying for years and populated by people with absolutely nothing to their name, no political power, no money, no property, nothing. The poorest, most despised, people in the country. Yet the residents of these places, who suffer the aftermath of all this far more then the Tucker Carlson's of the world, who have had to live going through national guard checkpoints while taking their kids to school, the police rushing at anybody who gathers in a group of ten or more, counter-protesting racists and cracked out crust punks getting into fights on their sidewalk, and who keep have to relive indignation after indignation again and again whenever the cops shoot some random person in the wrong apartment, are still more concerned about the cops shooting and exploiting black people then they are about their entire block being lit on fire. They're at a point where they think this country is so fundamentally unjust and apathetic to their lives that property destruction seems on the level with jaywalking to them.

Like christ, how much of this does it take to spur some honest reflection in people? Republicans go "its der librul medja!" as an excuse but fuck you, might as well be calling them all "sheeple". No, idiots, there is actual pain being expressed here that goes way, way, beyond whatever the fuck was on TV last night.

 

[SofondaCox]

When I see riots I don't get incredulous. What's the point? And lest you think me a hypocrite the same goes for those retards on Jan 6th. Hate it or not, it happened, and it had reasons for happening. Because everything has a reason for happening. And it's usually not a simple one. If millions of people across the country feel so alienated, scared, and powerless that they're going to light their own neighborhood on fire out of pure despair I think that's a good reason to stop getting angry and ask why they feel like that.

I don't attribute the looting and pillaging to fear, alienation or helplessness. I attribute it to entitlement, boredom, ignorance, and the glee of chaos and brutality.

If you are angry with your government, and feel like you aren't represented, you do a Jan 6th. You take your anger to the source. If you are little more than a jackal with thumbs, you burn your neighborhood.

 

[z0mb0]

Something that I noticed was the antagonism some members love to employ towards anyone (even their own, and hoteps whatever that is). It's somehow always the fault of the "anti-blackness" or the white people and the grifters demand shit like reparations.

Hoteps are the literal we wuz kangz people. Ancient egypt was black and all that.

I don't attribute the looting and pillaging to fear, alienation or helplessness. I attribute it to entitlement, boredom, ignorance, and the glee of chaos and brutality.

When your feeling safe enough to violently abuse everything around you on the smallest slight in a group your not afraid your empowered.


My peak BLM was living in a bunch of diverse shit holes growing up and in everyone if the balance in anything ever went their way packs of feral niggers would weaponize whatever it was on everyone else to the their own detriment and screech when it swung out of their hands and years later I'm expected to give a shit Trayvon got what he had coming. but that black kid shot outside that chop clone who was minding his own business that i need to forget.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

I don't attribute the looting and pillaging to fear, alienation or helplessness. I attribute it to entitlement, boredom, ignorance, and the glee of chaos and brutality.

If you are angry with your government, and feel like you aren't represented, you do a Jan 6th. You take your anger to the source. If you are little more than a jackal with thumbs, you burn your neighborhood.

They did. Did you miss all the burning police ststions?

Besides, 500 years of history is "the source". Good luck with that. Literally all of society got us here.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

They did. Did you miss all the burning police ststions?

Besides, 500 years of history is "the source". Good luck with that. Literally all of society got us here.

Burning all the businesses along with the police stations is not going for the source, and most of the time, the police aren't even the problem. I'm indifferent to the police as an institution because regardless of how orderly they are, they do enforce laws that can be very morally questionable (ie, Ottawa police currently, for instance), but black people need to stop pretending that every police station in Washington or Upstate New York is the same as some cop station in rural Mississippi. They're not, most of the times, they don't even have legitimate grievances with their local police and are just looking for an excuse to riot.

Ie: Half the BLM stuff turned out to be cases where "Why this PoPo shoot da black man" with "Oh, da black man had a knife and was running at them, well fuck the popo anyways".

 

[AMHOLIO]

When the businesses they burned down were random and indiscriminate. Mind you, I don't like specifically targeted race burnings, but holy shit was it such a fucking loss for the black business owners and their employees who worked so hard to have all of it go up in smoke, by your own race trying to help you. It's like getting put on the sex offender registration by an incel if you're a male. Awful.

It would have been nice to address various points and get constructive charity donations like to black school programs, black communities, and a bit of extra officer training (if you train the police they don't do dumb shit AS MUCH, we can't stop all corruption or stupidity). But there were enough people grifting on it to benefit the worst of the worst. Like those bail charities who probably released 2-3 innocent men and women on bail and more not innocent ones. My woke friend even commented that he saw a gofundme for a dude who turned out to be in jail for spousal abuse (he got called out online for it at least so some people knew), and he was super sympathetic to the cause.

Lastly, why not just staff more black police officers? The more racially integrated the police are, the easier it is on everyone, right? Besides, it gives black people nice well paying (if the department is funded) jobs and they can feel a hand in governing themselves. Yet nothing of that sort was proposed.

Does anyone have any idea what they proposed instead of jails, btw? I can't remember what the suggestions were.

 

[cybertoaster]

From the very beginning it should've been obvious to everybody but the dumbest simpleton out there that this movement was little more than a loosely organized grift.

Thats the impression I got from the very beginning, and time has proven me right with blm being constantly hit by scandals like one of the founders spending over $200,000 from donations to redo his kitchen, another over $3 million to buy a house in a almost entirely white gated community, and another "branch" stole funds donated to a poor kid's funeral.

A fucking poor kid's funeral, who because of that had to be buried in a pine box, it takes a particularly high level of psychopathy and hate towards others to do that.

And blm its full of that kind of people.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

Burning all the businesses along with the police stations is not going for the source, and most of the time, the police aren't even the problem. I'm indifferent to the police as an institution because regardless of how orderly they are, they do enforce laws that can be very morally questionable (ie, Ottawa police currently, for instance), but black people need to stop pretending that every police station in Washington or Upstate New York is the same as some cop station in rural Mississippi. They're not, most of the times, they don't even have legitimate grievances with their local police and are just looking for an excuse to riot.

Ie: Half the BLM stuff turned out to be cases where "Why this PoPo shoot da black man" with "Oh, da black man had a knife and was running at them, well fuck the popo anyways".

I live in one of the most progressive cities in the country. We all still got to watch Eric Garner get throttled over cigarette taxes and are famous internationally for using cops to generate revenue by harassing as many black people in the vicinity as they can. Never mind that shit, every black person I've ever met has a story about the cops treating them like crap for no reason. One guy I know used to get stopped on the way to school every day, which then made him late, and the cop who made him late would report him to the administration for truancy when he didn't find anything arrest worthy on him. Every day. Yeah, nothing fucked up about that at all...After Ferguson happened the department of justice released an investigation into the local police department. They found that the local cops not only acted as what in any other context would be called and extortion racket for the city, they all had a history of serious civil rights abuses following them around. Think torturing people with dogs and shit. Huge portions of the population had outstanding warrants for things as petty and meaningless as jaywalking or being late on a speeding ticket. This was intentional on the part of the police, as a major part of the town's revenue came from bail payments, fines, and civil forfeiture.

If you were/are black in Ferguson Missouri every single encounter you had with a police officer was a threat to your entire life, your family's well being, your job, your house, etc etc. These people were living like this for years and years. If you think "lol just follow the law!" matters in reality just know this, if the cops want to ruin your day (and they do) they WILL find a reason. Even you, honkey. They just usually don't bother white people because they can afford lawyers and shit. Black people are easy targets. Nobody cares about them and they don't have any money or connections to defend themselves with.

Given all the above, why in the actual fuck is it surprising something finally snapped?

And you know what else? What happened in Ferguson happens ALL OVER THE FUCKING COUNTRY. Rural Mississippi and New York might as well be the same fucking place when it comes to how cops act towards black people and why (money, everything is money, don't let anybody tell you otherwise).

Anyway, I need to repeat something else: nobody is in control of any of this. Noone. If somebody says they're in a position of leadership they are lying or have some personal agenda. What I saw happen after George Floyd was the sort of thing nobody can plan, and nobody did plan it. Ask yourself, who the fuck ever heard of Ferguson until Michael Brown got shot? And not only that keep in mind the reason these people were/are angry actually had little to do with Michael Brown and everything to do with the insanity I just described to you. Nobody gives a shit about one off acts of violence, they do when it is part of a pattern. And a system built around hyper-aggressive "kick in your door with a no knock warrant and shoot you in the head" style policing and that has as its only real motive money and politics is naturally going to result in acts of extreme violence towards people who don't deserve it. Never mind black people, Daniel Shaver got the same treatment. We have a law enforcement system nationwide that makes fatal encounters with police an actual inevitability, and it becomes the spark for all this other shit as a result.

Americans have a hard time understanding the concept that nobody is "behind" this, and that nobody is running it, and nobody is planning it, and nobody is in control. Because we're so obsessed with partisan nonsense we don't ever admit how complex things are. You know what really happened in Ferguson? A few people protested, the police responded by rolling in with fucking MRAPs and rifles, people looked out their window and thought "fuck this shit", and the cycle of anger/response/anger/response continued and got increasingly militant and chaotic.

You're asking why people are looting stores like that is the major issue. That's easy: they're pissed off, have nothing to lose, the situation makes it easy, and they hate the country they live in for treating them like shit their whole lives. People who have nothing don't have any reason to feel empathy for those who do have something. Especially when the latter has been systematically crushing any attempt at a better life for the former for hundreds of years.

Historically whenever black communities in the US get too influential, too wealthy, too stable, we destroy them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre

That's only the most famous example of something that has happened constantly and in different forms for centuries. And it never ended. Whatever the cause, black communities in the US have been systematically undermined and exploited since slavery. Whenever they grow close to actual political or economic influence it is ended by the powers that be. Just this week the supreme court signed off on a blatant violation of the voting rights act that even they admitted was going to rob black communities in the state of representation.

When you do this, over and over, when you make it impossible for these people to enter mainstream society, for literal centuries, do you think it produces happy, optimistic, patriotic, or even nice individuals? It makes people who look at the world as a cynical charnel house that targets the worst of its depravity and greed specifically at them, and that nothing will ever change this. Only thing left to do is fuck up as much of it as possible and get yours. You have no future and no hope, why the fuck should they? They're the ones who did it to you.

When the civil rights movement happened there was a moment when black communities were poised to gain some sort actual progress for themselves. America quickly responded with the war on drugs, mass incarceration, and assaults on everything from public education to mental health services. This was not a historical accident, it was calculated to rip apart black families, make it impossible for their children to leave the shithole they grew up in, and politically crush them. This was done because it allowed the kind of sociopathic vermin who makes up the leadership of most corporations and political parties to get everything they wanted without any pushback from the people who'd actually suffer the consequences.

It worked. And this is what it looks like when it works.

America has never been a meritocracy for black people. It's a place that has always been going out of its way to make them as weak and hopeless as it can.

Burning a CVS is the kind of thing you do when you no longer have respect for the society you live in. And ask yourself, what actual reason do they have to respect you? Even if you jump to "everything you just typed is bullshit", which you probably will, just know this: to the people it actually impacts, it isn't. Now why do you think that is?

 

[DiscoRodeo]

I live in one of the most progressive cities in the country.

Which would suggest that progressive anti-racism is just bull or completely lip service, with your next statement of the police having a scheme to arrest black people for money, which is hard to prove.

and are famous internationally for using cops to generate revenue by harassing as many black people in the vicinity as they can

Is it specifically black people? Can you prove this claim? Or is it the standard "the state uses traffic tickets to generate a small amount of revenue, and X group commits a lot of crimes", of which, I think the situation is a lot more complex than "the police ticket black people to make money".

Never mind that shit, every black person I've ever met has a story about the cops treating them like crap for no reason.

I am black.

And you know what else? What happened in Ferguson happens ALL OVER THE FUCKING COUNTRY. Rural Mississippi and New York might as well be the same fucking place when it comes to how cops act towards black people and why (money, everything is money, don't let anybody tell you otherwise).

Bull.

If you were/are black in Ferguson Missouri every single encounter you had with a police officer was a threat to your entire life, your family's well being, your job, your house, etc etc.

Again, bull. How many police interactions do you think occur on a daily basis? Its in the millions. How many interactions do you think result in an arrest? Much more minute. How many result in death? Even more minute. How many result in an unjustified death (ie, the dude isn't running at a cop with a weapon). Its under a hundred yearly. I agree, that this is too much and an injustice, but no- the "every single encounter with the police with a black person is potentially death" is fake news, made up, and completely counter intuitive.

f you think "lol just follow the law!" matters in reality just know this, if the cops want to ruin your day (and they do) they WILL find a reason. Even you, honkey.

Okay honkey, I have dealt with the police, many times, from being black and a retarded teenager.

Huge portions of the population had outstanding warrants for things as petty and meaningless as jaywalking or being late on a speeding ticket. This was intentional on the part of the police, as a major part of the town's revenue came from bail payments, fines, and civil forfeiture.

Conspiracy theory.

And a system built around hyper-aggressive "kick in your door with a no knock warrant and shoot you in the head" style policing and that has as its only real motive money and politics is naturally going to result in acts of extreme violence towards people who don't deserve it.

I agree that no knock warrants shouldn't happen, but a) the system is not built around this, and b) even though I think no knock warrants should be abolished, they are not common, insinuating that they are is false.

You know what really happened in Ferguson? A few people protested, the police responded by rolling in with fucking MRAPs and rifles

Wrong order of events, the fires and looting occurred first and went unabated for several nights until the police came in.

You're asking why people are looting stores like that is the major issue.

It is. Don't loot stores, don't loot or burn down your own community. I get that your pissed, but as you said earlier, if you want, take it to "the source". Looting is naked opportunism, and dumb as fuck. I don't care if you're angry. Angry at the world in general? Angry enough to fuck up someone's life who has nothing to do with your perceived sense of "injustice"? Okay, well, you're acting like a retard, so don't be surprised when people call you one.

Especially when the latter has been systematically crushing any attempt at a better life for the former for hundreds of years.

Double bullshit.

A) many places looted were businesses owned by POC
B) You're generalizing American history in terms of picking out the worst elements and prescribing them to everyone. Its completely ahistorical, and ignores groups like the quakers, the republicans under Lincoln, abolitionists, the people who died in the hundreds of thousands in the civil war, or immigrants who had nothing to do with events several hundred years ago. And even then, several hundred years ago, as stated, to scapegoat "fuck white people" completely ignores that history is nuanced, and not every "white person" in history is some oppressor.

Its dumb "this racial group is the oppressor class" and incredibly simplistic and not even accurate.

Just this week the supreme court signed off on a blatant violation of the voting rights act that even they admitted was going to rob black communities in the state of representation.

I don't even know what you're talking about, but if its the Supreme Court ruling that you need ID to vote, thats pretty basic shit. If thats "every time black people try to make it, the state steps on your neck" thats retarded. And yes, I know about Tulsa. Sucks, but again- as stated, not every police station is the same as one in Missouri, and youre taking anecdotal instances and trying to apply them universally across the US to situations, locations, and cultures that may be very, very different. Yes, bad shit happens. When bad shit happens, its not "this happened in Tulsa so its common across the entire United States". Its "this happened in Tulsa, Tulsa sucks if they havn't addressed or moved on from this".

When you do this, over and over, when you make it impossible for these people to enter mainstream society, for literal centuries

Again, "literal centuries". Oppression has not been uniform over centuries, and you have had groups helping out black people throughout that. Let alone, its not impossible to enter mainstream society. Don't belittle black people by making them completely lack agency. Shame on you, that makes you a racist.

When the civil rights movement happened there was a moment when black communities were poised to gain some sort actual progress for themselves.

You're implying that we didn't? That the sacrifices of MLK, X, Russel, Dubois etc didn't' happened? That we didn't get some sort of actual progress? Color me surprised, or is it just that we don't have enough progress (whatever you mean by that), so the progress gained isn't worth mentioning?

America has never been a meritocracy for black people

Okay, suck it up and take responsibility for your own life. We are all dealt bad hands, you do the best you can, and at least don't shit where you eat and burn down where you live.

Burning a CVS is the kind of thing you do when you no longer have respect for the society you live in.

See previous statements, but I don't buy the narrative that black people have no agency and are completely alienated from society. We live in a society. You don't have respect for society? For the Indian guy behind a CVS trying to hustle? For black people who avoid the ghetto narrative, make something of themselves, actually pay attention in school? Okay, well, society has given opportunity in public education. If the one you received isn't good enough, sure that happens- but also ask yourself, is the problem the opportunities given, or that you have pissed away your opportunities that were given to you, and only realized this too late and so are bitter?

Even if you jump to "everything you just typed is bullshit", which you probably will, just know this: to the people it actually impacts, it isn't. Now why do you think that is?

Because these are bitter, stupid people who buy into stupid myths that aren't even fully accurate and prescribe all the responsibility for their own lives into the hands of other people.

Sure, there are always forces outside of your control that have impact on your life, but its not as one sided as you would imply, and for myths like "every time I talk to a police officer, they finna kill me" I don't care if someone believe that, its stupid and not even accurate. Stop perpetuating them, it really does a disservice.

 

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Didn't really know anything about the Bureau of Land Management until the Bundy thing