Manosphere Jordan Peterson - Internet Daddy Simulator, Post-modern Anti-postmodernist, Canadian Psychology Professor, Depressed, Got Hooked on Benzos

Lemmingwise said:
You can literally just start a new habit today.
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So, it's not precisely about habits, per say.

What it's actually about is affectual behavioral motivational significance; or, to use a simpler term, motivational values.

Changing a relatively simple habit such as your sleeping and waking times is, for most functional humans, not especially challenging ... as long as they have motivational impetus to do so, such as a job, house payment, a car payment, a family that depends on you, career goals, personal health concerns, etc. With these significant motivational influences bearing down on you, it's not all that difficult to control your sleep schedule (Well, for most people). Take those away, however, and the clinical data shows that disruptions to sleep pattern are literally almost immediate and commonly quite severe. Indeed, it's one of the first questions any mental health specialist will ask as an indicator of social dysfunction. That's how difficult it is to keep a steady sleep schedule as a modern person.

Now, lets ratchet up the difficulty a little ... say you're addicted to a chemical substance that, when not imbibed at certain frequencies, inhibits your capacity to feel positive emotion and amplifies your subjective sensation of negative emotion and pain. Well, the data is quite clear on say, nicotine. It's borderline impossible for you to cold turkey quit smoking when you feel like it. The best chemical therapies we have approach a 15% permanent cessation rate on the first attempt.

I'm also quite sure there are many, many behaviors and habits that you have that you wish you could stop but do not know how. You cannot simply will yourself into altering the fundamental components of your personality, any more than you can decide to think chocolate tastes bad. They've evolved to be untamperable outside of specific circumstances, such as those encountered when undergoing mystical or religious experiences.

Otherwise, what's stopping you from deciding that it's morally acceptable to do absolutely anything? What's stopping you from finding a small pebble infinitely fascinating? What's, also, say, to stop you from changing your core unconscious behavioral patterns in such a way as you begin to value habits that are outright dangerous to your own safety?
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And of course there's the problem of reproduction crisises in science, so I have my doubts about your 80% being "objective fact"
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You'd be right to doubt that claim. However, I'm not saying that it's an objective fact that mystical experiences always produce an 80% cessation rate in smoking. What I am saying, however, is that it is an objective fact that the results of the study were that there was an 80% cessation rate of those smokers who reported a mystical experience.

I'm making an inductive argument, not a deductive one.
 
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Boris Blank's glass eye said:
Yeah it's obviously bullshit. Not sleeping for 25 days straight would have left him in a worse condition than his current one - assuming it's even possible. Sleep deprivation is a popular torture method and it's almost always fatal.
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The thing with Peterson is that he overdramatises everything. I'm certain there was indeed a period of time when he had troubles sleeping for some reason and then he went on to say that he didn't sleep at all for a month. Same with his wife's illness. She probably indeed had cancer but it wasn't a lethal one as Peterson claimed since she went into remission after a few months of treatment.
 
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marfusha said:
The thing with Peterson is that he overdramatises everything. I'm certain there was indeed a period of time when he had troubles sleeping for some reason and then he went on to say that he didn't sleep at all for a month. Same with his wife's illness. She probably indeed had cancer but it wasn't a lethal one as Peterson claimed since she went into remission after a few months of treatment.
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It would have been lethal if she wasn't on beef diet.

Seriously though, it's hard to know in advance whether it would be lethal.
 
Shpongoolio Trismegistus said:
So, it's not precisely about habits, per say.

What it's actually about is affectual behavioral motivational significance; or, to use a simpler term, motivational values.

Changing a relatively simple habit such as your sleeping and waking times is, for most functional humans, not especially challenging ... as long as they have motivational impetus to do so, such as a job, house payment, a car payment, a family that depends on you, career goals, personal health concerns, etc. With these significant motivational influences bearing down on you, it's not all that difficult to control your sleep schedule (Well, for most people). Take those away, however, and the clinical data shows that disruptions to sleep pattern are literally almost immediate and commonly quite severe. Indeed, it's one of the first questions any mental health specialist will ask as an indicator of social dysfunction. That's how difficult it is to keep a steady sleep schedule as a modern person.

Now, lets ratchet up the difficulty a little ... say you're addicted to a chemical substance that, when not imbibed at certain frequencies, inhibits your capacity to feel positive emotion and amplifies your subjective sensation of negative emotion and pain. Well, the data is quite clear on say, nicotine. It's borderline impossible for you to cold turkey quit smoking when you feel like it. The best chemical therapies we have approach a 15% permanent cessation rate on the first attempt.

I'm also quite sure there are many, many behaviors and habits that you have that you wish you could stop but do not know how. You cannot simply will yourself into altering the fundamental components of your personality, any more than you can decide to think chocolate tastes bad. They've evolved to be untamperable outside of specific circumstances, such as those encountered when undergoing mystical or religious experiences.

Otherwise, what's stopping you from deciding that it's morally acceptable to do absolutely anything? What's stopping you from finding a small pebble infinitely fascinating? What's, also, say, to stop you from changing your core unconscious behavioral patterns in such a way as you begin to value habits that are outright dangerous to your own safety?

You'd be right to doubt that claim. However, I'm not saying that it's an objective fact that mystical experiences always produce an 80% cessation rate in smoking. What I am saying, however, is that it is an objective fact that the results of the study were that there was an 80% cessation rate of those smokers who reported a mystical experience.

I'm making an inductive argument, not a deductive one.
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Hey Jordan, what was the first thing they asked the witch at craft school?
Which Craft?
 
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NewRetroVagina23 said:
Is there some evidence of which I am unaware that definitively pegs one of our two new posters as Peterson? If not then I'd say it's just as likely to be a particularly vociferous fanboy.
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Actually one of them was Peter B. Jordanson trying to derail Jordan B. Peterson posing as a raging Jordan B. Peterson fanboy.
 
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Yep Peterson is really brain damaged

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marfusha said:
The thing with Peterson is that he overdramatises everything. I'm certain there was indeed a period of time when he had troubles sleeping for some reason and then he went on to say that he didn't sleep at all for a month. Same with his wife's illness. She probably indeed had cancer but it wasn't a lethal one as Peterson claimed since she went into remission after a few months of treatment.
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Was her "lethal cancer" made public before he became a junkie? because if it wasnt my best guess is that the severity of the disease was just an excuse to justify him being a junkie, just like the whole "i'm physically and not psycologically addicted " stuff.

But imagine if she had terminal cancer? you'd had to be a massive piece of shit to decide to also make your family deal with your drug addiction while they're also dealing with the dying wife

It shows how mentally and emotionally unstable he actually is
 
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Was her "lethal cancer" made public before he became a junkie? because if it wasnt my best guess is that the severity of the disease was just an excuse to justify him being a junkie, just like the whole "i'm physically and not psycologically addicted " stuff.

But imagine if she had terminal cancer? you'd had to be a massive piece of shit to decide to also make your family deal with your drug addiction while they're also dealing with the dying wife

It shows how mentally and emotionally unstable he actually is
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The story about how he ended up addicted to benzos keeps changing. His daughter also makes it sound like her all-beef diet has cured her family's problems, but he ended up half dead in Russia after starting that diet. I wouldn't call that a success.

And yes, I feel bad for his wife.
 
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Peterson talks how academics write.

Its rare you don’t find word salad bullshit in academic papers. Just some shithead talking in circles, trying to create some new phrase or ‘deeply questioning‘ anything. I bet his published material is fucking pushing the editors word count and take forever to make a point.
 
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