Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[2525ABC]

It's a lesser version of that meme about how people with dumb fetishes kept it under their hat 50 years ago, but now you can find a whole community of toaster-fuckers and ruin your life.

Or greater version. The toaster fucker will at all least still be healthy and fertile.

 

[Unyielding Stupidity]

That's a good point. I guess the question is, why have most people been able to grow out of that immaturity up until now, whereas now so many people troon out and/or get stuck in it ? I don't think the answer is just "online grooming," I think it has a lot to do with the specific ways people use the internet now.

I also think it's underappreciated just how much trooning out at a young age these days sucks you into a sort of stasis where you never develop your tastes or interact meaningfully with anyone outside of the troon cult. All the 25-year-old extremely online FtMs still act like they're 17.

Bullying and social pressure often get people to stop doing embarrassing, childish things - but both of those are incredibly taboo nowadays, especially in more left-leaning communities, and doubly-so when the person doing said childish thing is part of a "protected minority" like gays or troons.
The embarrassing fujos of yesteryear got lambasted by everyone for the insane and childish shit they used to do (anyone remember yaoi paddles?), but their modern day progressive counterparts cannot be pressured or bullied into not being a retard if they troon out, so these insane tendencies that they'd otherwise grow out of are allowed to fester.

Also, it's worth mentioning that the communities they tend to hand around in are full of teens, so they end up also acting like said teens to fit in. Those behaviours eventually stick to their personality, both inside and outside of these communities. When a 25-year-old spends nearly a decade surrounded by a community full of 17-year-olds, they're eventually going to pick up the same behaviours as said 17-year-olds.

 

[Monolith]

Or greater version. The toaster fucker will at all least still be healthy and fertile.

Toast your cock and tell me if it still works.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Or greater version. The toaster fucker will at all least still be healthy and fertile.

As monolith said, as long as you don't stick your dick in said toaster.

 

[Aunt Carol]

For reference, the toaster-fucking:

 

[Ser Prize]

As monolith said, as long as you don't stick your dick in said toaster.

Depends on if it's on or not. Maybe unplugged is the toasterfucker's version of safe sex.

 

[Wallace]

Hey @PinstripeLuns , if you're still looking for research that doesn't support troonery, check out this: Transgender medicalization and the attempt to evade psychological distress

A few choice excerpts:

"...failure to address relevant psychological issues can result in trans people making unnecessary, permanent changes to their bodies, without adequate scientific justification for doing so."

"Chris’s autogynephilia could be regarded, in part at least, as a defence against relational intimacy, and his mother’s rejection of his male body made it hard for him to establish a securely embodied sense of self (Winnicott 1970). It would have been helpful if Chris had seen an analyst able to work effectively with such early relational issues prior to surgery. Instead he was offered a series of six psychological assessments at the Charing Cross Hospital and told that there was a nine‐year wait for surgery. He decided to bypass the whole process and paid privately for surgery. Many of today’s young people have also made ‘gender affirming’ medical treatment their goal. Unfortunately, the evidence base supporting the efficacy of such treatment is extremely poor."

"There is a rapidly growing body of literature suggesting that psychological issues can play a crucial role in young people’s trans‐identification. These include difficulties coming to terms with puberty, other sexual difficulties including abuse, social isolation, affect dysregulation, alexithymia, anxiety, depression, self‐harm, body dysmorphic disorder, attachment trauma, problems with triangulation and symbolization, as well as unconscious homophobia and autistic traits. A young person can all too easily adopt a trans‐identity as a way of attempting to evade these difficulties."

"As I have remarked (2018c), in 20 years’ time we are likely to look back on this as one of the darkest chapters in modern medical history."

"It is sobering to realize that future generations could well view current treatment protocols for trans‐identified young people as a form of ‘sexual lobotomy’"

 

[behindyourightnow]

Bullying and social pressure often get people to stop doing embarrassing, childish things - but both of those are incredibly taboo nowadays, especially in more left-leaning communities, and doubly-so when the person doing said childish thing is part of a "protected minority" like gays or troons.
The embarrassing fujos of yesteryear got lambasted by everyone for the insane and childish shit they used to do (anyone remember yaoi paddles?), but their modern day progressive counterparts cannot be pressured or bullied into not being a retard if they troon out, so these insane tendencies that they'd otherwise grow out of are allowed to fester.

Also, it's worth mentioning that the communities they tend to hand around in are full of teens, so they end up also acting like said teens to fit in. Those behaviours eventually stick to their personality, both inside and outside of these communities. When a 25-year-old spends nearly a decade surrounded by a community full of 17-year-olds, they're eventually going to pick up the same behaviours as said 17-year-olds.

Honestly I think it’s less about active bullying/social pressure (although that might be part of it) and more about how trooning out limits your social interaction, both online and offline.

Most fujoshis probably wouldn’t get actively bullied because they are/were mostly good at keeping quiet about their habits around normies. But most of them would gradually grow out of it as life went on and they drifted towards other interests. Or else they compartmentalize it so it doesn’t take over their life. I know a few women in their late twenties or early thirties that I’m pretty sure still write and read fanfiction (as in, one is actively involved in admin in a big fanfiction site) but I say “pretty sure” because she keeps it separate and has a normal adult life besides that. I think that’s pretty typical for older people and fandom. They either lose interest or it becomes one interest among many because they have other life shit going on.

But as soon as you troon out, all of those opportunities to move on, and get other interests? They start to disappear. Normal people start avoiding you because you’ve become insufferable and are always correcting pronouns and complaining about transphobia. You’re encouraged to start cutting “transphobic” people (ie anyone who will not affirm that you are a gay male) out of your life. Your social circle and interests shrink to those who will affirm you to the extent that you desire (in other words, mostly troons), so you never have a chance to meet people or do things that might inspire you to move on or grow. Your job possibilities shrink drastically and the few career paths available almost all involve working with other troons. No one will date you but other troons. Even small talk with strangers probably stops because who wants to risk a troon chimp out by saying the wrong thing?

In other words, you’re not just in an internet bubble, you’re in an “every aspect of your existence” bubble. And the dominant culture inside that bubble seems to be “acting like an immature 17 year old.”

 

[AMHOLIO]

Bullying and social pressure often get people to stop doing embarrassing, childish things - but both of those are incredibly taboo nowadays, especially in more left-leaning communities, and doubly-so when the person doing said childish thing is part of a "protected minority" like gays or troons.
The embarrassing fujos of yesteryear got lambasted by everyone for the insane and childish shit they used to do (anyone remember yaoi paddles?), but their modern day progressive counterparts cannot be pressured or bullied into not being a retard if they troon out, so these insane tendencies that they'd otherwise grow out of are allowed to fester.

You're optimistic thinking that people's lives can always be controlled by shame. Therapy and or wisdom with age has many people realize they don't need to be controlled by their peers anymore. You can say people need to be less tolerant, but a conformist society has other problems (see: Japan). Being bullied also keeps people from forming a positive friend group or good support network: shit social skills + loneliness = troon.

Bullying tends to cause more troons than it cures (and once they troon the main use is just shitting on them for the sake of it). Conservative areas will also have a bit of a troon problem no matter what: how many people rebel against their family in their younger years? Sometimes you come back, sometimes you're Wedge in the Kevin Gibes thread with your balls cut off and your anus blown out (due to making weird porn which is related).

We need to shame the art and concept of troonism, we do not need to shame people. Maybe shame autogynophiles, but forcing them to accept it's a fetish over accepting that they're a woman reduces a lot of stress in the long run I think (we can still shame them if they try to do their fetish in public). Getting facts laid down about trooning and sorting out other trauma will help prevent more troons.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

With Chris, it's mainly over him being impressionable and his crossdressing fetish. ADF kind of did it for the clout, IIRC.

As for everything else, well there's no shortage of middle-aged men enjoying dressing like an teenage stripper or oversharing on the web.

But the bottom line is that you can't really fix crazy outside of extensive therapy.

Lol Ben Shapiro. Who the fuck actually takes that little goblin serious? If you do you should probably like, kill yourself, tbh

 

[NerdShamer]

Lol Ben Shapiro. Who the fuck actually takes that little goblin serious? If you do you should probably like, kill yourself, tbh

Well, here's the original vid.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

Well, here's the original vid.

Oh I didn't watch or care about the vid, I just burst out into laughter whenever I see Ben Shapiro's stupid tiny gnome face

 

[AssignedEva]

Jesus fucking Christ I just found out today that my niece has announced she's a boy. She's 8. My sister's having a fucking meltdown. She knows this is fucked up but she doesn't know how to express it.

This little girl was insisting she was Elsa last year. Now she's saying she's a boy? She was always a bowsie because of her brothers (she's the only girl) but the school's fucking encouraging it? What the fuck do I do? What do I say? Jesus fuck.

What if my sister tells the school to fuck off? What will happen? Fuck fuck fuck I didn't think it would get this close.

EDIT: My sister's a good Mum. She doesn't let them on the internet. The boys have tablets that they're allowed to play Roblox on for a bit but only when my sister or her husband are in the room. Like it must have been the school, right? What the fuck do we do?

 

[Vingle]

She's a kid, just tell her she's a tomboy and it's okay for girls to not be a stereotype on femininity.
Is the girl saying the school is grooming her?
@AssignedEva

 

[NerdShamer]

Like it must have been the school, right?

Probably, but although your sister is the responsible kind of parent, this might be an fad for your niece.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

Jesus fucking Christ I just found out today that my niece has announced she's a boy. She's 8. My sister's having a fucking meltdown. She knows this is fucked up but she doesn't know how to express it.

This little girl was insisting she was Elsa last year. Now she's saying she's a boy? She was always a bowsie because of her brothers (she's the only girl) but the school's fucking encouraging it? What the fuck do I do? What do I say? Jesus fuck.

What if my sister tells the school to fuck off? What will happen? Fuck fuck fuck I didn't think it would get this close.

EDIT: My sister's a good Mum. She doesn't let them on the internet. The boys have tablets that they're allowed to play Roblox on for a bit but only when my sister or her husband are in the room. Like it must have been the school, right? What the fuck do we do?

Since it's a eight year old, I would look in what she wants from this. It might be as simple as attention and reactions if she is generally that type of kid. Her mom having a meltdown might be hilarious and so she is IRL shitposting. That case make sure she doesn't get much out of this, that's nice dear, and just let her move on for something else.

Still I'm going to assume this type of behavior isn't normal for her and I would ask her why does she think that she is a boy and what inspired her to "come out". Depends on the anwer what to do. She might have seen another kid at school go trans and get tons and tons positive attention and copied that because she also wants be the star or belong with her friends. She might have noticed first signs of puberty either on her or her friends, age 9 is a normal starting time for girls, and be terrified of idea of boobs and periods. She might want to play with boys but they are doing their own thing at that age and often not open for girls to join. Basically find out her reasons and help her realize that trans won't solve it.

 

[Racc]

My situation revolves around online spaces, not irl, so I apologize if it's irrelevant or doesn't count. I know said spaces are poster boards for troons but I need to get this shit off my chest somewhere or another.

I'm one of those dreaded gamer/weeb hybrids. Decade ago, I had friends; a chill little circle that Skyped/TeamSpeak'd here and there and just messed around and had fun when high school wasn't clawing at us. Details are a little foggy, but everyone went their separate ways at some point. We were all from varying countries and had different things going on. Fast forward to last year, I reconnected with one of them through Discord, let's call him J. Dude's same as always, which put the goofiest smile on my face. Like fuck yeah, just like old times dude let's go! He basically threaded all of us back together some way or another. I join the server, and what the fuck do I see.

Almost every single fucking one of them trooned out. We were about 8 people- 5 male and 3 female. 4 of the males are now "transfem" furries, and one of the girls lopped her tits off and started wearing flannel shirts. I didn't make my uneasy reaction obvious of course. For however long it took, I tried my best to play it safe and be supportive, but over the course of that year things just kept going to absolute dog shit. Arguments kept happening, bridges kept burning. It took me forever, but I eventually fought tooth and nail to convince myself I'm dealing with a pack of fucking psychos. The entire time I was in just deep anguish, wondering just what the hell happened that twisted them like that. I swear they were perfectly fine friends, if a little sperged. J is a great guy, though I did criticize him at one point for being too soft. We still shoot the shit and talk, which is more than I can say for the rest because they all fucked off again.

Another case, a hispanic friend of mine on Facebook also started referring to himself as "nonbinary" and unironically refers to himself as "latinx". And I thought "don't hispanics hate that shit??"

That's a friend lost. I made a post saying I agree with Dave Chapelle in that little shitfest just a while ago last year, and heads fucking rolled. "You're cis, your opinion is kinda worthless". Troons crawled out the woodworks to call me out, and being this twansphobic vigilante did fill me with this weird vigor. It was enjoyable, but I quit Facebook too shortly thereafter.

tldr Being in online circles fucking sucks. Weak men make bad times and autists like me get groomed easily into this disgusting shit. I fucking despise it, can't trust a soul. These instances taught me to call it out when I see it because I have seen it all come and go at this point.

 

[Hepativore]

So, I knew two people that trooned out. One was an effeminate, very tall boy I knew in high school who liked to play video games and watched anime and trooned out to overcome his insecurities for being an emotionally sensitive person as he subconsciously felt that being emotionally sensitive was not something that guys did, so he became a troon in a strange attempt at allowing himself to express the full range of his feelings without facing people's judgement "like women do". The problem is, last I heard he went the whole nine yards, and he ended up looking exactly the same in the face even with various surgeries and HRT, not to mention I heard from a mutual friend of mine that he has had chronic UTIs ever since the " bottom surgery. We sort of drifted apart after that as he basically became a parody of a human being after he trooned out.

The second case is somebody I knew who was a "lipstick lesbian" in college. She became a FTM as she hated female sexuality so much that she trooned out as an act of defiance as she felt that society could "never take women seriously as they would always be seen as little more than sex objects." She got her rather large breasts cut off, but the problem is the fact that the HRT just made her look like an emaciated young woman with no breasts due to anorexia. She went batshit when she trooned out, so I kind of drifted off after that.

In both of these cases, when these people I knew went trans, it did not solve their insecurities but made them worse and now they will have to live with being physically-maimed in addition to the issues they already had.

It is interesting that these two people were so hung up on gender stereotypes that they would rather mutilate themselves rather than being men or women that did not conform the usual ideas of what men and women act like.

 

[PinstripeLuns]

The anime club at my uni is headed by a TiM who goes by "Lucy". Typical discord profile with an anime girl and trans flag pfp, as well as a "she/her" in bio. Lucky he wasn't there when I rocked up, would've let him know how "stunning and brave" he was.

Had to leave today, spotted a tranny sticker on a lamppost and covered it with a Sailor Moon one. Knew those would come in handy someday lol. When money's good ill prolly buy some radfem ones and keep em on me when in London.

 

[White Trash Motorsport]

I’m pretty sure someone I’ve known for quite a few years is gearing up to troon out.
He is, of course, a straight white middle class man who works in tech, also married with kids. He’s being a bit vague and weird on Zuccbook, firstly getting everyone he knows to de-tag him in pics. I may have tagged pics of him, but I’m going to happily leave them as is, because fuck him. He ‘came out’ as queer recently and started banging on about how oppressed he is, which got him lots of asspats. I just cringed as this guy is in his forties and too old for that shit, He’s also making a big deal about getting hold of his medical records as I suspect he was planning on claiming some sort of DSD, but the idiot obviously did no research first or he’d have known Dr’s records are only kept for 10 years in this country. He’s also started spouting all the usual TRA bollox of the ‘we just want to one/play sports/ barge into places we’re not wanted’ variety.
He’s going to be a spectacularly ugly woman. Part of me is looking forwards to this shitshow.