General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[Blatant hypocrite]

Clearly, the Queen of England is an idol:

• Famous and popular
• People stalk her for no good reason
• Fashionable
• Occasionally on TV
• Doesn't seem to age
• Has an associated song ("God save the Queen")

I don't see people complain about "idol culture" when their favourite VTuber is doing a concert, releasing a song, or getting a matching themed outfit, even though these are some of the most stereotypically "idol" things in existence. Rather, the phrase is invoked when purity-obsessed weirdos are poking around in their private lives and causing trouble, which really has nothing to do with idols, and everything to do with fame.

Pokimane isn't an idol, but people got mad over her alleged boyfriend. Dream isn't an idol but he's got an absurd number of psychotic fans too. Chris-chan isn't an idol but his fame attracts negative attention, resulting in great stress for him. And the specific behaviour of purity-obsessed idiots isn't even a famous person thing, it's a society-wide blight. You don't have to be an idol to get stoned to death for premarital sex, just be in the wrong country.

When people say "Idol culture sucks" what they really mean is "I wish creating content was less stressful somehow". Which we all agree with, idolfags or not.

 

[Spins Of Our Fathers]

Anyone who knows and gives a shit probably already knows her past as Lyrica already anyway. It really isn't that big of a deal and the chuuba scene has far bigger open secrets about past online personas. Not like there are any huge skeletons there anyway. What are they gonna dig up? That she used to play a lot of Genshin Impact?

True, but I am not certain most know her as HanaruHaru, or her having (had?) Cure_Mango as a boyfriend, which means either she's lying through her teeth about not having a boyfriend, or bitterness over that relationship is why her valentines stuff is consistently bitter towards couples.

 

[reinigen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b46yRKP8Hy4

Anyone know what happened with moona's Song breakdown stream? Its privated now and someone said something happened, any idea what?

Edit: Nevermind found it, she showed her discord with some message with one of the animators I think, nothing noteworthy only a cover she had already leaked a while ago apparently
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All I can see is Iofi's stupid Discord pfp. Fucking hell.

 

[BibiLivesMatter]

So I came across two Vtubers that brought me through memory lane, and I don't think they really been talked about here yet. YT Channel
They're both characters from visual novel in early 2010s called Go! Go! Nippon! ~My First Trip to Japan~, which gained some popularity from youtubers like Lost Pause in 2014. They're a pretty small indie channel at the moment on YouTube, but they're nearing their goal of 10k subscribers which they plan to develop a sequel to the original game if met (Most likely with the VA we see with the Vtubers rn).

Here's my favorite clip from them so far: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzmUUfI0cFo

 

[DICTATOR]

 

[Azchan]

Fucking trannies keep trashing my shithole. Glad to be back and have afternoon gossip with other fellow autist.

It's only a problem if you pay attention to them.

Hmm. He could be pretty pissed about that after he shilled hard for Pips in his last This Week in Stupid video.

And I doubt he was really being more of a sped than some of Pips' other regulars. Was this personal on Archivebro's part?

Unpopular opinion, maybe, but I kinda like Vee.

It was whatever. He seems to be simping a bit too hard though.

 

[Protistology]

Clearly, the Queen of England is an idol:

• Famous and popular
• People stalk her for no good reason
• Fashionable
• Occasionally on TV
• Doesn't seem to age
• Has an associated song ("God save the Queen")

I don't see people complain about "idol culture" when their favourite VTuber is doing a concert, releasing a song, or getting a matching themed outfit, even though these are some of the most stereotypically "idol" things in existence. Rather, the phrase is invoked when purity-obsessed weirdos are poking around in their private lives and causing trouble, which really has nothing to do with idols, and everything to do with fame.

Pokimane isn't an idol, but people got mad over her alleged boyfriend. Dream isn't an idol but he's got an absurd number of psychotic fans too. Chris-chan isn't an idol but his fame attracts negative attention, resulting in great stress for him. And the specific behaviour of purity-obsessed idiots isn't even a famous person thing, it's a society-wide blight. You don't have to be an idol to get stoned to death for premarital sex, just be in the wrong country.

When people say "Idol culture sucks" what they really mean is "I wish creating content was less stressful somehow". Which we all agree with, idolfags or not.

A dude broke into the palace and stole Queen Victoria's panties twice.

 

[Kusogaki]

Clearly, the Queen of England is an idol:

• Famous and popular
• People stalk her for no good reason
• Fashionable
• Occasionally on TV
• Doesn't seem to age
• Has an associated song ("God save the Queen")

I don't see people complain about "idol culture" when their favourite VTuber is doing a concert, releasing a song, or getting a matching themed outfit, even though these are some of the most stereotypically "idol" things in existence. Rather, the phrase is invoked when purity-obsessed weirdos are poking around in their private lives and causing trouble, which really has nothing to do with idols, and everything to do with fame.

Pokimane isn't an idol, but people got mad over her alleged boyfriend. Dream isn't an idol but he's got an absurd number of psychotic fans too. Chris-chan isn't an idol but his fame attracts negative attention, resulting in great stress for him. And the specific behaviour of purity-obsessed idiots isn't even a famous person thing, it's a society-wide blight. You don't have to be an idol to get stoned to death for premarital sex, just be in the wrong country.

When people say "Idol culture sucks" what they really mean is "I wish creating content was less stressful somehow". Which we all agree with, idolfags or not.

I think they mean "I want to blame anything but the western twitter/reddit culture for the problems on the vtuber sphere". I swear i saw people blaming at "idol culture" on the Nux/Vshojo drama & on the typical LGBT drama that ends on grooming, abuse, etc.

 

[TheMonkeyMan]

IRyS is doing the GTA V torture scene right now.

 

[Burnt Fish]

I don't see people complain about "idol culture" when their favourite VTuber is doing a concert, releasing a song, or getting a matching themed outfit, even though these are some of the most stereotypically "idol" things in existence. Rather, the phrase is invoked when purity-obsessed weirdos are poking around in their private lives and causing trouble, which really has nothing to do with idols, and everything to do with fame.

I'm sorry but this is just silly and, this isn't specific to you but I've just seen similar stuff getting said a lot lately.

Of course no one complains about the songs and outfits, when people criticize a culture the tend to stick to the parts that are......... worth criticizing. This whole comparison you've constructed is akin to someone saying "No one complained about Muslim culture when they were ordering Doner Kebab" It's just a really dumb thing to say.

Yes, the scrutiny and purity obsession exists elsewhere. But with the Idol industry it's not a bug, it's a feature. It's literally what they are selling, even if that culture stems from a broader issue, the idol industry takes it, molds performers into it's image (because selling an image is precisely what the idol industry is) and runs with it. When Idols images are controlled and constructed, and the industry choses to prop up that purity obsession, that's not the idol industry having "nothing to do with it"

Even for as fame obsessed as the west might be, no one was sobbing or having a crisis when Beyonce or Kim Kardashian got married, hell you'll more likely find western pop fans enthusiastically interested in their favorite popstars love life, not crying because they aren't single. (one might point to figures like the beatles or Elvis to compare but I would still note the difference in volume, these types of artists are the exception in the west while Japan has a whole industry specifically for it) Think for a minute about how much the fans and the press obsessed over Beyonce getting pregnant. Now imagine the same in Japan. See the issue? and that's not to imply Western celebrity culture isn't it's own shitshow, Just trying to illustrate that your comparison isn't great generalizing the purity obsession out like it doesn't manifest in a unique way in things like the idol industry.

TLDR, The Idol industry might not be the origin of the mindset, but it's propping it up and marketing it which only serves to propagate it further, and absolutely fair game for criticism in that regard. In situations like recent days, it's because Hololive likes to pick up on the idol shtick when it suits them.

 

[konfident_]

No you dumb nigger, this obsession with purity and members not seemingly having any relationships with any penis havers is very firmly planted in "Idol culture". This shit goes beyond Youtubers. This happens to Idol musicians all the fucking time because the Idol culture fans are fucking weird. Here's a selection of articles talking it from a basic bitch google search.

What I'm trying to say is this kind of attitude is not something unique to people labeled as idols so the term is kind of confusing especially when people try to use it to describe things outside of the idol industry like streamers. Do we have japanese "idol culture" infiltrating our thots on platforms like twitch, how many of them are open about active relationships? Or case in point how mafumafu's audience reacted, afaik he's technically not an idol but "utaite", cover singer. Also people who blame Rushia's idol status as a hololive member should just do their reps because that hand incident with Matsuri didn't exactly made it to yahoo Japan, trolls got bored after like a week despite how badly mishandled that whole incident was when menhera was pretty much caught on a lie, or back in 2020 when Watame doxed her then boyfriend, the dancer guy through the switch account and it went pretty much unnoticed outside of the usual places with no backlash to speak about.

As for the "real" idols yes I'm familiar with basic bitch articles about muh sexisum and about that schizo who stabbed idol because she refused to accept his watch and that stalker using reflection in the eye and that I should watch this anime movie "Deep Blue" to educate myself about how terrifying this reality really is, it's always the same stuff.
Anyway I'm not really that deep into it myself but where is the problem exactly? It's not like girls are being forced to become idols (guess insane mothers might push them into it to some extent) and this expectations were there since forever at this point, it's not exactly a secret to those who apply -high chance they share the same attitude about their own favorites. Also you're not expected to stay as an idol for life, you typically graduate way below '30 so it's more like Vestal Virgins kind of thing, catholic nuns have it way worse and nobody seem to complain .

Also that AKB slut shaved her head as a stunt, management wasn't at all happy with it.

Speaking of redditor normie terms, I think "trolls and antis" would fit in there too.

"anti" is a based nip slang.

 

[Biobreak]

True, but I am not certain most know her as HanaruHaru, or her having (had?) Cure_Mango as a boyfriend, which means either she's lying through her teeth about not having a boyfriend, or bitterness over that relationship is why her valentines stuff is consistently bitter towards couples.

I wouldn't overthink it to that extent as proclaiming yourself to be unattached is pretty much basic/default vtuber kayfabe at this point. The valentines gag about being bitter towards couples is just that, a tired old, tongue-in-cheek gag played for easy laughs. It's a pretty common schtick for most single Filipinos who grew up in the Philippines (a country so obsessed with romance/relationships/drama that unhealthily shipping movie couples even in real life outside of their roles is standard fare) to joke about. Here's a pretty good article about it: National Obsession: The Dark Side of Filipino Love Teams

That being said, I doubt her long-time audience would care about her having a boyfriend anyway. She didn't really traffic in GFE material, even going back to her Lyrica days, so chances of her having the same kind of unhinged simps that Rushia & Mafumafu has is pretty slim. Being a loud, blabbermouth dork was more her jam.

 

[Lurker Throwaway]

So I came across two Vtubers that brought me through memory lane, and I don't think they really been talked about here yet. YT Channel
They're both characters from visual novel in early 2010s called Go! Go! Nippon! ~My First Trip to Japan~, which gained some popularity from youtubers like Lost Pause in 2014. They're a pretty small indie channel at the moment on YouTube, but they're nearing their goal of 10k subscribers which they plan to develop a sequel to the original game if met (Most likely with the VA we see with the Vtubers rn).

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Here's my favorite clip from them so far: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzmUUfI0cFo

Love the clips they have. This one was my favorite.

Clipper: WeebStitch

 

[threesquares]

Clearly, the Queen of England is an idol:

• Famous and popular
• People stalk her for no good reason
• Fashionable
• Occasionally on TV
• Doesn't seem to age
• Has an associated song ("God save the Queen")

Wears the skin of someone else

 

[Least Concern]

I share two videos before heading off to bed tonight.

First, a short one about the duality of Phase Connect:

And then Holo Bass's recent highly-on-topic jam (we're done hating Holo Bass ITT, right?):

Good night, frens. Have sweet dreams of your oshi finally recognizing how much you've superchatted them and making you a mod in their Discord instance.

 

[TrashBoost]

I'm sorry but this is just silly and, this isn't specific to you but I've just seen similar stuff getting said a lot lately.

Of course no one complains about the songs and outfits, when people criticize a culture the tend to stick to the parts that are......... worth criticizing. This whole comparison you've constructed is akin to someone saying "No one complained about Muslim culture when they were ordering Doner Kebab" It's just a really dumb thing to say.

Yes, the scrutiny and purity obsession exists elsewhere. But with the Idol industry it's not a bug, it's a feature. It's literally what they are selling, even if that culture stems from a broader issue, the idol industry takes it, molds performers into it's image (because selling an image is precisely what the idol industry is) and runs with it. When Idols images are controlled and constructed, and the industry choses to prop up that purity obsession, that's not the idol industry having "nothing to do with it"

Even for as fame obsessed as the west might be, no one was sobbing or having a crisis when Beyonce or Kim Kardashian got married, hell you'll more likely find western pop fans enthusiastically interested in their favorite popstars love life, not crying because they aren't single. (one might point to figures like the beatles or Elvis to compare but I would still note the difference in volume, these types of artists are the exception in the west while Japan has a whole industry specifically for it) Think for a minute about how much the fans and the press obsessed over Beyonce getting pregnant. Now imagine the same in Japan. See the issue? and that's not to imply Western celebrity culture isn't it's own shitshow, Just trying to illustrate that your comparison isn't great generalizing the purity obsession out like it doesn't manifest in a unique way in things like the idol industry.

TLDR, The Idol industry might not be the origin of the mindset, but it's propping it up and marketing it which only serves to propagate it further, and absolutely fair game for criticism in that regard. In situations like recent days, it's because Hololive likes to pick up on the idol shtick when it suits them.

Rihanna is pregnant for the first time and her fans made memes clowning on Drake. Zendeya who millions are down bad for is in a relationship with Tom Holland and there was no negative eruption when they came out.

I see blame for western culture, celebrities, and Hollywood when the fans go bat shit crazy over break ups and usually only bad ones because they fight over who is to blame. Meanwhile Idol culture fans go bat shit crazy because the girls are only thinking about getting a boyfriend. It's not the same. The reason why fans go crazy over internet celebs/streamers and idols is because they have more or less an audience with the same traits. How the fuck are people really mad at pokimane having a boyfriend but don't care about Beyonce being with Jay Z. You guys mean to tell me Pokimane > Beyonce? Hell nah. It's simple pokimane audience is filled with people who have traits similar to those you'd find in idol culture. You know insecure, lonely, delusional, etc. Although not to say they are the majority of the fans just they are the very loud minority.

 

[Avokado]

 

[RiverBear]

https://twitter.com/ANYCOLOR_Inc/status/1494220109422145546

Niji ID and KR will be integrated into the main Nijisanji "JAPAN" branch, and they will no longer update their respective branches' Youtube, Twitter, other social media by March. Nijisanji explains that this is to strengthen support for these branches

What does this mean for ID and KR? IDK, but EN and China still having their own branch likely means giving ID and KR their own autonomy is no longer worth it or no longer working as planned.

EDIT: As a result of this, ID and KR has suspended their Wave 7 Auditions

IMAGE TRANSLATION:
Nijisanji (ID and KR) are going to operate together starting the start of April. We also plan to stop any activity as Nijisanji ID Official by the end of March. With this merge, Nijisanji ID and KR will not continue any activity and other official events that are previously brought in the respective official channels.
Our Virtual Livers will keep operating under the name "NIJISANJI". We will keep supporting our Livers' activities behind the screen and we request your support for our Livers from Indonesia and Korea under the name NIJISANJI.
Besides that, we are also announcing that the open audition for Niji ID Wave 7 will be cancelled.
We truly cherish our fans' opinions, but we hope that there won't be too many questions thrown to our Virtual Livers about this merger.

 

[FlappyBat]

https://twitter.com/ANYCOLOR_Inc/status/1494220109422145546

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Niji ID and KR will be integrated into the main Nijisanji "JAPAN" branch, and they will no longer update their respective branches' Youtube, Twitter, other social media by March. Nijisanji explains that this is to strengthen support for these branches

What does this mean for ID and KR? IDK, but EN and China still having their own branch likely means giving ID and KR their own autonomy is no longer worth it or no longer working as planned.

EDIT: As a result of this, ID and KR has suspended their Wave 7 Auditions

IMAGE TRANSLATION:
Nijisanji (ID and KR) are going to operate together starting the start of April. We also plan to stop any activity as Nijisanji ID Official by the end of March. With this merge, Nijisanji ID and KR will not continue any activity and other official events that are previously brought in the respective official channels.
Our Virtual Livers will keep operating under the name "NIJISANJI". We will keep supporting our Livers' activities behind the screen and we request your support for our Livers from Indonesia and Korea under the name NIJISANJI.
Besides that, we are also announcing that the open audition for Niji ID Wave 7 will be cancelled.
We truly cherish our fans' opinions, but we hope that there won't be too many questions thrown to our Virtual Livers about this merger.

Niji ID has some good people. Mika was a great recent recruit for them. I hope this means they will be getting more support now being part of the main branch (and whatever batshit bullying stuff that was going on will end). I worry it will just mean they will no longer be recruiting from those areas and just don't want to fire people.

 

[Uknew]

https://twitter.com/ANYCOLOR_Inc/status/1494220109422145546

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Niji ID and KR will be integrated into the main Nijisanji "JAPAN" branch, and they will no longer update their respective branches' Youtube, Twitter, other social media by March. Nijisanji explains that this is to strengthen support for these branches

What does this mean for ID and KR? IDK, but EN and China still having their own branch likely means giving ID and KR their own autonomy is no longer worth it or no longer working as planned.

EDIT: As a result of this, ID has suspended their Wave 7 Auditions

IMAGE TRANSLATION:
Nijisanji (ID and KR) are going to operate together starting the start of April. We also plan to stop any activity as Nijisanji ID Official by the end of March. With this merge, Nijisanji ID and KR will not continue any activity and other official events that are previously brought in the respective official channels.
Our Virtual Livers will keep operating under the name "NIJISANJI". We will keep supporting our Livers' activities behind the screen and we request your support for our Livers from Indonesia and Korea under the name NIJISANJI.
Besides that, we are also announcing that the open audition for Niji ID Wave 7 will be cancelled.
We truly cherish our fans' opinions, but we hope that there won't be too many questions thrown to our Virtual Livers about this merger.

Oh god, I hope nothing bad happen in ID branch. We know in KR branch that there were bullying, management problem, etc. I never think that ID branch has any problem. But cancelling the 7th wave is a bit concerning. ID only debuting 6th wave alone in 2021 (1&2 wave in 2019; 3&4&5 wave in 2020). I thought they're not debuting the 7th wave because 2021 was full with NijiEN debut.

Other than that, the only liver that I see growth in audience was Siska (4th wave) and Mika (6th wave). Mika is doing more collab with NijiEN lately, so I've been seeing her a lot.

I think I can see KR branch merge with the main branch, but I don't feel it was right to merge ID branch too. I hope for the best for all of them.