Chris - The Legal Issues - A Prosecutor's Perspective

[I swear she's 18]

Absolutely true, which is why heroin leads to desperation; its users will eventually do anything to get their next fix.

I was just hoping that a higher availability of marijuana would make people less likely to take that first hit of heroin etc. especially considering the consumption methods are so much easier. Smoking a joint is much simpler than using a needle.

I was mistaken.



Given how addicted Chris is to "some lego", he's fucked if he gets into any hard drug.

Didn't they get Chris to blaze 420? Don't know much about the devil's lettuce but it seems non addictive. I'm actually surprised Chris (or a ween) hasn't done any drugs yet. It's one of the vows in CWC's future message he hasn't broken. With the trend of how things are going? Who knows.

 

[AnOminous]

Does accepting a plea deal as a defendant require any sort of detailed admission to the crime in question or does it only involve signing to say "I do not wish to contest this particular sentence." I'm aware that allocution exists and may be required in some circumstances but I have no idea what cases that would apply to. I ask because I genuinely wonder if Chris would refuse to admit to intercourse and maintain that he 'soul bonded' if faced with that situation.

An actual guilty plea requires an allocution of guilt. A nolo plea just requires admitting the state has enough evidence to convict you. Generally a court has to approve a nolo plea and sometimes insists on an actual guilty plea.

A guilty plea doesn't necessarily require a highly detailed admission, but it has to contain all the elements of the offense.

 

[JanuaryViolet]

I used to think the violence in a homeless population depended in part on the local availability of various drugs. For example heroin makes for desperation, methamphetamine induces violence etc. I was expecting marijuana legalization to mellow things out a bit, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

The drug of choice among our feral (great description, very apt) street population seems to be meth. Alcohol is also popular. The 2015 legalization of recreational weed mostly seems to have made it mainstream, Dispensaries are as common as liquor stores, but meth seems to be the go-to for most of the defendants we see. With exactly the results you would expect.

 

[AnOminous]

The 2015 legalization of recreational weed mostly seems to have made it mainstream, Dispensaries are as common as liquor stores, but meth seems to be the go-to for most of the defendants we see. With exactly the results you would expect.

Meth (especially low quality meth) is really cheap, lasts a long time, and keeps its zombies really active, unfortunately. Heroin may increase the risks of doing desperate shit to get it, but lasts a relatively long period of time and during the time of effect, the addict doesn't do much at all.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

I wish some person who's really good at talking to the clerk could go in physically and at least get info on the purpose of the hearings that have happened so far. They should be able to release some of the information that doesn't violate mandatory privacy protections (like HIPAA)

§ 16.1-305 only provides protection for juvenile records, and for adult records that contain information relating to a juvenile.

 

[A-№1]

Needle use is down, it's easier to smoke fentanyl.

It seems like they eventually find a way to make every drug type smokable. Except for cannabis. That started out smokable, and went the other way. Probably because eating a brownie is easier than rolling when you're high.

Opioids salve misery in a way weed doesn't, at least until they eventually cause more misery than they offset.

We used to be happy with hooch that didn't make you go blind. Better living through chemistry, I guess.

Didn't they get Chris to blaze 420?

Yes. But did he inhale?

Don't know much about the devil's lettuce but it seems non addictive.

Anything can be addictive. It depends on the consumer.

I'm actually surprised Chris (or a ween) hasn't done any drugs yet.

Weed is a drug. So is alcohol. Chris has consumed both.

It's one of the vows in CWC's future message he hasn't broken.

See above.

With the trend of how things are going? Who knows.

Chris already has his addictions.

"Some Lego" is a hell of a drug.

The drug of choice among our feral (great description, very apt) street population seems to be meth.

That's my impression as well. Portland's homeless have always had a reputation for viciousness, but meth seems to have made it so much worse.

Which only makes it harder for the homeless who truly want to get off the street.

Alcohol is also popular.

Alcohol is always popular everywhere.

Dispensaries are as common as liquor stores

But do any of them last? It must be hard to make a profit on something teenagers can grow in their closets.

meth seems to be the go-to for most of the defendants we see. With exactly the results you would expect.

That could be a selection bias. Meth makes people crazy and violent and do bad things, whereas not many people get arrested for eating too much and laughing at their shoes.

Meth (especially low quality meth) is really cheap, lasts a long time, and keeps its zombies really active, unfortunately. Heroin may increase the risks of doing desperate shit to get it, but lasts a relatively long period of time and during the time of effect, the addict doesn't do much at all.

With alcohol you get drunks. With opioids you get thieves. With meth you get crazies. With cannabis you get Taco Bell.

 

[JanuaryViolet]

But do any of them last? It must be hard to make a profit on something teenagers can grow in their closets.

The good ones make decent money; the one around the corner has been there at least five years. Theres' a difference between what they carry and an unreliable supply of homegrown.

 

[A-№1]

The good ones make decent money; the one around the corner has been there at least five years.

I just know there's this one place I see when rolling through Portland that was a restaurant, then a convenience store, then another restaurant, then an antique shop, then a used car dealership. Then Oregon legalized and it became a marijuana shop, then a different marijuana shop with new paint, then yet another marijuana shop with a bigger sign, and so on. The building must have a half an inch of paint on it by now. It may be that location is cursed, but it's also likely that it's far easier to start a marijuana dispensary than to make one profitable.

Theres' a difference between what they carry and an unreliable supply of homegrown.

I know some people who for decades have made a hobby of breeding the perfect bud, but only for personal consumption. Even though they could probably do well selling their strains now that it's legalized in some states, they don't. Old habits die hard I guess.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

I just know there's this one place I see when rolling through Portland that was a restaurant, then a convenience store, then another restaurant, then an antique shop, then a used car dealership. Then Oregon legalized and it became a marijuana shop, then a different marijuana shop with new paint, then yet another marijuana shop with a bigger sign, and so on. The building must have a half an inch of paint on it by now. It may be that location is cursed, but it's also likely that it's far easier to start a marijuana dispensary than to make one profitable.

It's the taxes. California is even worse. Politicians thought that just because it could be a major industry that they could tax it as much as they wanted. Instead, illegal weed is alive and well and legal weed shops are going under.

Oklahoma did it right and now their dispensaries are thriving because they're taxed at a low enough rate that there's no reason to go to the illegal market (other than not having a card, since OK still hasn't legalized recreational).

 

[silentium]

It's the taxes. California is even worse. Politicians thought that just because it could be a major industry that they could tax it as much as they wanted. Instead, illegal weed is alive and well and legal weed shops are going under.

Not to mention that getting MMJ in California is _extremely_ simple and then you have no reason at all to go to a shop. A sizeable portion of would-be legal customers are MMJ patients

 

[AnOminous]

But do any of them last? It must be hard to make a profit on something teenagers can grow in their closets.

Teenagers could make prison pruno too. Shitty ditchweed grown by retards is no substitute for 30%+ THC indica or really any of the fancy strains dispensaries generally overcharge yuppies for. People generally want weed where it knocks you on your ass in one hit, not some shit you can smoke all day without getting anything but a headache.

 

[A-№1]

It's the taxes. California is even worse. Politicians thought that just because it could be a major industry that they could tax it as much as they wanted. Instead, illegal weed is alive and well and legal weed shops are going under.

I figure it's something like that. I remember seeing a study where all the money a state was collecting from the expected weed tax bonanza was from store licenses. Almost none was from actual weed sales. And what the hell were they expecting? It's easier to buy one bag legally with the tax stamp on it and then keep refilling it from your regular dealer. All legalization with taxation did was lower the price of black market weed to just below the price of the legal stuff (tax included).

Politicians are such idiots it's a wonder they can get elected. It only goes to show how stupid the public is that vote for them.

Oklahoma did it right and now their dispensaries are thriving because they're taxed at a low enough rate that there's no reason to go to the illegal market (other than not having a card, since OK still hasn't legalized recreational).

Taxing it at all is counterproductive. The real cash benefit of legalization is all the money a state saves by not paying to enforce an unenforceable law and incarcerate people for a morality "offense".

Legalize everything and let natural law sort it out. Darwin will know his own.

Teenagers could make prison pruno too.

Or jenkem.

Shitty ditchweed grown by retards is no substitute for 30%+ THC indica or really any of the fancy strains dispensaries generally overcharge yuppies for.

But for every 100 middle schoolers growing rope in their closets, there's that one who knows how to read and manages to produce saleable stuff. You're never going to be able to regulate an industry like that. You can't collect a sin tax in the City of Sodom.

 

[JanuaryViolet]

I wish some person who's really good at talking to the clerk could go in physically and at least get info on the purpose of the hearings that have happened so far.

Yeah, a ween could talk me out of court records in a minute, sure. That will not work.

If someone calls and actually gets through to one of the clerks with a request like this, they're going to be told to look up the public records that are available online, which is pretty much everything except psych reports. That's where the really entertaining stuff will be. Court staff can access them if they know what they're looking for, but there is no way anyone can request a copy. Everyone imvolved with the case will already have them. Plus, fuck this up and it's your job.

I don't know the parameters of juvenile records other than I only see them 'mentioned' in our paperwork occasionally since juvenile matters are at a completely different courthouse, unless it's a 16 year old who has committed serious Assault (1, 2, or 3). Family court matters do have some public records but they are also redacted.

So, no. FOIA has its limits and I've never heard of it being applied to court documents or transcripts (but then, that isn't my department).

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

Bob's family by being a creepy slag and trapping Bob in baby jail by getting pregnant with Chris (I am not convinced Chris is actually Bob's son).

Care to elaborate on this more? I'm not saying it isn't possible but I've seen no evidence that Chris isn't Bob's son unless I'm missing something.

 

[A-№1]

I'm not saying it isn't possible but I've seen no evidence that Chris isn't Bob's son unless I'm missing something.

What evidence is there that Chris IS Bob's son? We (and Bob and everyone else) only have Barb's word for that, and Barb has a history of dubious paternities.

 

[Ophelia]

What evidence is there that Chris IS Bob's son? We (and Bob and everyone else) only have Barb's word for that, and Barb has a history of dubious paternities.

Iirc, Bob said in one of his letters that Chris resembled his family, if that means anything.

It’s impossible to prove either way, really.

 

[Stupidface]

They're going to be told to look up the public records that are available online, which is pretty much everything except psych reports.

I thought that for Virginia's J&DR courts there's specifically no online records available to the public, but they are otherwise (for cases not concerning juveniles) available offline by request. At least, I thought such was mentioned a few times earlier in this thread or a related one.

 

[Ser Ciappelletto]

Iirc, Bob said in one of his letters that Chris resembled his family, if that means anything.

It’s impossible to prove either way, really.

Chris does strongly resemble Bob in the face. Check the infamous 18th birthday party pics for proof. In the one where they are side by side, they look the same except Bob is older.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Thread began as a legal discussion about how the law will treat Chris Chris, became a discussion on drugs in less than a year.


Don't ever change kiwi farms, I love this town.

 

[AnOminous]

You can't collect a sin tax in the City of Sodom.

I would disagree. There's no better place to have sin taxes.

Thread began as a legal discussion about how the law will treat Chris Chris, became a discussion on drugs in less than a year.


Don't ever change kiwi farms, I love this town.

Chris will be boofing DMT and 100x salvia extract before this saga is over.