Avatar: The Last Airbender / The Legend of Korra

Avatar: Best animated series or best animated series ever?


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Man I've been watching AtLA and Lok with my family when they were put on Netflix. It took us a few weeks to watch all of Avatar, but when it came time to watch Korra it took over a year to slog through (we're still not finished). Season two was real rough. I didn't remember the mako subplot going on so long, and all the stuff with Bolin was just grating. Even if the main plot with Korra was dumb as hell, I'd rather take that over 'nut tuk' any time.
 
Last I remember, there was some weird origin story about the Avatar and that was when I chirped out lol.

The entire story surrounding Avatar Wan and Raava along with the origins of the bending arts was genuinely charming. The artwork was really stylised and well-done, the music was quite fitting, and the overall story made sense. What I personally didn't like about it is how Korra's connection to all her past lives, including Wan was severed like 3-4 episodes later.

Also, having a finite origin story for Avatar Wan suddenly undermines the seemingly infinite and timeless nature of the Avatar that was hammered home in the original series. How can I believe Avatar Roku when he says "I have mastered the elements a thousand times in a thousand lifetimes" if the Avatar itself has only been around for 10,000 years?
 
People like to claim that the Wan episodes are the best part of Korra but I just couldn't bring myself to like them because of how badly it retconned both the Avatar and Bending in general. The Avatar went from the keeper of balance and bridge between worlds, someone a half step into both the physical and spiritual, to an arbitrary lineage of people possessed by the spirit of Light. Plus you know the whole destruction of the previous lives thing like an episode later making it all moot anyway. Bending lost all mysticism it had from the original series too. It went from martial arts learned from different fantastical animals and the moon that only some people have the aptitude for to oh my ancestor got poked by a god turtle so that means I can bend now.
 
Bolin and Mako had potential I feel, but I feel like they were created just to be Korra's flings and nothing more, which I think is very highlighted since all I really remember was Bolin sobbing his eyes out seeing Korra and Mako kiss, and Korra having a HUGE bitch fit (even though it was HER fault) and flipping Mako's desk while he's like "ayo tf is your problem bitch??"
The way his tears were presented was as if it was a gag. He wasn't just crying, he was drawn with the typical 'ugly' expression, flared nostrils and snot bubbles. I don't understand why they kept doing this to Bolin and no one else because he never gets a serious moment unless it was one of those generic romance scenes with Opal who was his assigned love interest to give both of them something to do. And Korra's many moments like that get shat on as people mock her as a failed stronk female character but actually I think the writers simply pushed her tomboy personality way too hard without realising being a tomboy =/= taking a woman and making her a dudebro. It's just shit character writing. Mako was clearly supposed to appeal to the types who liked Zuko but being Bolin's brother makes him kind of shittier by extension. Like after watching all of this could you believe Bolin shared his shitty childhood as a street urchin? It makes the emotional weight of caring for his only family member pretty void when Bolin acts like a space alien from another cartoon.

Can't believe it's taken me this many years to finally realise maybe it is kind of plausible for Bolin to learn lavabending because of his dual heritage. But they made zero callback to that when he did and being able to master aspects of multiple elements is strictly an Avatar thing to begin with. I just hate comedic relief characters, never saw the point in them when you could write lightheartedness into the show itself. What tends to happen instead is said comic relief becomes a weak point as they bare the load of having to be funny in a show and cast that is otherwise markedly different in tone themselves.
Well, anybody is talking about how TLOK is wasted and nobody mentioned Jinora. You know, best deus ex machina in S2.
So many problems with the sequel. I said so many times before in this thread about that. And i'm surprised how this again reappeared. I love you, guys.
Her hair cut is ugly.

one more thing: Vaatu and Raava suck, they're generic ultimate evil and ultimate good spirits that exist just because they do. We already had the moon fish that represented yin and yang far better in a show full of Asian (mostly Chinese) mysticism. It takes a light amount of research to understand the two forces are complementary and yin is female so I think they just didn't give a fuck when they wrote this too as Vaatu threatens our protagonists by going MWAHAHAHA I WILL DESTROY THE WORLD BECAUSE I AM EVIL and shooting laser beams out of his tapeworm face.
 
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The way his tears were presented was as if it was a gag. He wasn't just crying, he was drawn with the typical 'ugly' expression, flared nostrils and snot bubbles. I don't understand why they kept doing this to Bolin and no one else because he never gets a serious moment unless it was one of those generic romance scenes with Opal who was his assigned love interest to give both of them something to do. And Korra's many moments like that get shat on as people mock her as a failed stronk female character but actually I think the writers simply pushed her tomboy personality way too hard without realising being a tomboy =/= taking a woman and making her a dudebro. It's just shit character writing. Mako was clearly supposed to appeal to the types who liked Zuko but being Bolin's brother makes him kind of shittier by extension. Like after watching all of this could you believe Bolin shared his shitty childhood as a street urchin? It makes the emotional weight of caring for his only family member pretty void when Bolin acts like a space alien from another cartoon.

Can't believe it's taken me this many years to finally realise maybe it is kind of plausible for Bolin to learn lavabending because of his dual heritage. But they made zero callback to that when he did and being able to master aspects of multiple elements is strictly an Avatar thing to begin with. I just hate comedic relief characters, never saw the point in them when you could write lightheartedness into the show itself. What tends to happen instead is said comic relief becomes a weak point as they bare the load of having to be funny in a show and cast that is otherwise markedly different in tone themselves.

Her hair cut is ugly.

one more thing: Vaatu and Raava suck, they're generic ultimate evil and ultimate good spirits that exist just because they do. We already had the moon fish that represented yin and yang far better in a show full of Asian (mostly Chinese) mysticism. It takes a light amount of research to understand the two forces are complementary and yin is female so I think they just didn't give a fuck when they wrote this too as Vaatu threatens our protagonists by going MWAHAHAHA I WILL DESTROY THE WORLD BECAUSE I AM EVIL and shooting laser beams out of his tapeworm face.
From what I remember, it felt like Bolin basically got the funny half of Sokka's personality with none of the seriousness to balance it out on the other side. The same way Mako got the gloomy pessimistic older brother half of Sokka's personality without any lightheartedness to balance that out. The result was that they were both boring as hell.
 
From what I remember, it felt like Bolin basically got the funny half of Sokka's personality with none of the seriousness to balance it out on the other side. The same way Mako got the gloomy pessimistic older brother half of Sokka's personality without any lightheartedness to balance that out. The result was that they were both boring as hell.

That makes it sounds like it was a good thing that Sokka was already dead in TLOK, so that his character wouldn't get butchered. Although I'm not sure how much of the alive members of the OG Team Avatar (Zuko, Katara, Toph) were butchered in TLOK, if they were at all. They didn't seem to do much at all, which comes off as disappointing for me.
 
That makes it sounds like it was a good thing that Sokka was already dead in TLOK, so that his character wouldn't get butchered. Although I'm not sure how much of the alive members of the OG Team Avatar (Zuko, Katara, Toph) were butchered in TLOK, if they were at all. They didn't seem to do much at all, which comes off as disappointing for me.
I loved old lady Toph because she was so hard on Korra's dumb ass.
 
From what I remember, it felt like Bolin basically got the funny half of Sokka's personality with none of the seriousness to balance it out on the other side. The same way Mako got the gloomy pessimistic older brother half of Sokka's personality without any lightheartedness to balance that out. The result was that they were both boring as hell.
Mako isn’t really like a nu-Sokka. He’s supposed to be another emo bad boy in red, Sokka was the ‘serious’ one in that he was often the straightman in the comedy scenes and was never really gloomy.
That makes it sounds like it was a good thing that Sokka was already dead in TLOK, so that his character wouldn't get butchered. Although I'm not sure how much of the alive members of the OG Team Avatar (Zuko, Katara, Toph) were butchered in TLOK, if they were at all. They didn't seem to do much at all, which comes off as disappointing for me.
They did Toph so dirty. For instance, Toph’s daughters don’t share a father and I think it’s implied she didn’t stay in touch with either of man and raised the two on her own. She did fuckall when her youngest got involved in gangs despite being Chief of Police and dismissed to the resentment growing between her daughters because of that, to Lin’s face, where it ultimately led to the night where Suyin gave Lin her facial scar while breaking the law, an incident Toph tried to cover up the following day. Then Toph and Lin stopped speaking for 20 years and also fucked off to the ends of the earth until Korra searched for her to be an earthbending teacher where the show could frame her as a ‘cool’ crotchety old hermit lady. While Suyin started a successful independent nation state of metalbenders, Lin grew into the surly policewoman character we see in the present who doesn’t speak to her half-sister, mother, former ex (Tenzin) and has no spouse or children of her own, just her job. Is it any wonder why Lin is a bitch all the time?

And is that REALLY the mother Toph grew into? Is that really what they thought she’d become after the events of ATLA?

Most of the main cast of ATLA are either killed off (Sokka) or get mediocre cameos in TLOK which goes out of its way to make them negligent, emotionally absent parents. I think the only person who gets away scott-free is Zuko’s daughter because she’s only a background character. They don’t even try to justify it with the person’s backstory, Toph isn’t an anarchic mother because of her own stifled childhood, she’s just a shit one because they wanted to unceremoniously write everyone out. It feels like they threw away ATLA’s values so they could have their roaring 20’s AU with radios and ended up writing literal broken families that don’t make sense within a vastly Asian world. I’m Asian and I just don’t believe Toph would start her family that way when she is one generation removed from her stereotypical Chinese aristocrat parents with no external liberal culture to go wild in.

Edit: I’m salty about Lin because she is so compelling in that way yet she never gets an apology and is, in fact, the one who has to learn to chill out. Her pushing her family and friends away is viewed as a problem that she causes for herself, she has to forgive them to get over her emotional constipation (sort of in the way Zuko lost his firebending) and Suyin and Toph never actually say the word sorry to her even once.
 
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Most of the main cast of ATLA are either killed off (Sokka) or get mediocre cameos in TLOK which goes out of its way to make them negligent, emotionally absent parents. I think the only person who gets away scott-free is Zuko’s daughter because she’s only a background character. They don’t even try to justify it with the person’s backstory, Toph isn’t an anarchic mother because of her own stifled childhood, she’s just a shit one because they wanted to unceremoniously write everyone out. It feels like they threw away ATLA’s values so they could have their roaring 20’s AU with radios and ended up writing literal broken families that don’t make sense within a vastly Asian world. I’m Asian and I just don’t believe Toph would start her family that way when she is one generation removed from her stereotypical Chinese aristocrat parents with no external liberal culture to go wild in.

I also don't like that the older ATLA characters weren't used more, it's as if they didn't want old people to be involved in the final battle. At least ATLA had the old people (Order of the White Lotus) involved during Sozin's Comet, with them liberating Ba Sing Se. It would have been cool to see Granny Toph go at it for one last time, to at least show that she didn't lost a step.
 
Uh... is anyone else gonna point out how fucking absurd it is that sky bison aren't extinct in LOK? I know that there's some bullshit justification with fire sages who rescued calves during Sozin's Comet, but that still doesn't make it right man.

I don't mean to be that sped who overanalyses a children's cartoon, but seriously: one of the most well-done aspects of ATLA was hammering home just how thorough the genocide during Sozin's Comet was. Aang and Appa were explicitly shown multiple times to be the last airbender and the last sky bison. The weight of the genocide wasn't just shown to be on Aang's shoulders, but also Appa's. Remember the dream that Appa and Aang shared about when they first met? He isn't just some stupid animal: he understands the gravity of what happened to his kind.

Again: I don't care if there's a justification for why the sky bison aren't extict: that shitty explanation doesn't make it okay. The sheer bleakness and horror of the air nomad genocide was one of ATLA's biggest successes and now what's left? I mean yeah, thousands of years of air nomad culture is lost within a century but Season 3 of LOK-onward shows new airbenders gaining power all the time. Also, sky bison are so plentiful now that they're no longer companions for life. Want a lemur too? No problem! We got hundreds of them all trained by Meelo!
 
Yeah, Bryke can't even respect his own earlier work or destroying Eschaz work at this point.
I'm sure even with a less time lapse (maybe 30 years after ATLA), they can't do make a proper return of old ATLA characters, since you know; TLOK was considered a sequel after the end of the S1.
All this technical bullshit made me actually want to write novels when i was a kid. I guess thank that fucked up duo for that isn't too far of a specific reality i'm living on.
Oh, and next time when you gonna create little Big Daddys/Power Armors and later a big fucking Eva to destroy a failed New York-asian mix city in the end of your motherfucking cartoon... call me to spit that before release.
 
Uh... is anyone else gonna point out how fucking absurd it is that sky bison aren't extinct in LOK? I know that there's some bullshit justification with fire sages who rescued calves during Sozin's Comet, but that still doesn't make it right man.

I don't mean to be that sped who overanalyses a children's cartoon, but seriously: one of the most well-done aspects of ATLA was hammering home just how thorough the genocide during Sozin's Comet was. Aang and Appa were explicitly shown multiple times to be the last airbender and the last sky bison. The weight of the genocide wasn't just shown to be on Aang's shoulders, but also Appa's. Remember the dream that Appa and Aang shared about when they first met? He isn't just some stupid animal: he understands the gravity of what happened to his kind.

Again: I don't care if there's a justification for why the sky bison aren't extict: that shitty explanation doesn't make it okay. The sheer bleakness and horror of the air nomad genocide was one of ATLA's biggest successes and now what's left? I mean yeah, thousands of years of air nomad culture is lost within a century but Season 3 of LOK-onward shows new airbenders gaining power all the time. Also, sky bison are so plentiful now that they're no longer companions for life. Want a lemur too? No problem! We got hundreds of them all trained by Meelo!
I don't think it's a bad idea to feature surviving bison as long as it's explained in a way that makes sense (then again that's just me trying to be a little optimistic). Then again, the whole plot of suddenly airbenders coming back is still hella stupid and removes the magnitude of the Air Nomad genocide in the first place.
 
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I don't think it's a bad idea to feature surviving bison as long as it's explained in a way that makes sense (then again that's just me trying to be a little optimistic). Then again, the whole plot of suddenly airbenders coming back is still hella stupid and removes the magnitude of the Air Nomad genocide in the first place.
Yeah, i never got the sense about those spirit portals.
In S2, as far i can remember, they're literally portals to hell. Evil spirits can be simply get out of those worlds to Earth and basically destroying everything. I'm sure even there's a scene with one of those spirits basically torturing Korra (like... 5th since S1? Lmao).
 
Yeah, i never got the sense about those spirit portals.
In S2, as far i can remember, they're literally portals to hell. Evil spirits can be simply get out of those worlds to Earth and basically destroying everything. I'm sure even there's a scene with one of those spirits basically torturing Korra (like... 5th since S1? Lmao).
Dear God! I absolutely hate those spirits. You would've safely assume that the humans done something terrible to then, but no! It turns out the same spirits damn near driven them to extinction! I mean how the hell are you supposed to coexist with them when they're just assholes, even without the negative vibes?
 
Dear God! I absolutely hate those spirits. You would've safely assume that the humans done something terrible to then, but no! It turns out the same spirits damn near driven them to extinction! I mean how the hell are you supposed to coexist with them when they're just assholes, even without the negative vibes?
Because humans; by Bryan's hippie neo-luddite logic, kill animals for food, cut down trees to build homes and weave clothes, try their best to improve their state of living and all the other stuff that we logically need to survive.

What exactly else were the spirits supposed to expect? That we'd be exactly like them? It oddly reflects the same bullshit Sunday school hackery diehard preachers would sermon about how full of sin people are, only under a fresh coat of paint.

Humans are naturally chaotic with a nice balance of order. If we start to lean too far towards one aspect, it inevitably corrects when a certain threshold is reached. We also aren't immortal or invincible. We need food, water and shelter to have a stable mode of living against the elements.

That's what I always hate about these nature obsessed folk who glamorize this shit. What's the point of working to survive if you're just going to either stay in the same mud encrusted hole, when you can rather build a log cabin, a cold storage room, a water tower, and maybe even a utility store.

What are we supposed to thrive on? Air? I'd really like for these clowns to live without their phones or tablets. I really do. :story:
 
Because humans; by Bryan's hippie neo-luddite logic, kill animals for food, cut down trees to build homes and weave clothes, try their best to improve their state of living and all the other stuff that we logically need to survive.

What exactly else were the spirits supposed to expect? That we'd be exactly like them? It oddly reflects the same bullshit Sunday school hackery diehard preachers would sermon about how full of sin people are, only under a fresh coat of paint.

Humans are naturally chaotic with a nice balance of order. If we start to lean too far towards one aspect, it inevitably corrects when a certain threshold is reached. We also aren't immortal or invincible. We need food, water and shelter to have a stable mode of living against the elements.

That's what I always hate about these nature obsessed folk who glamorize this shit. What's the point of working to survive if you're just going to either stay in the same mud encrusted hole, when you can rather build a log cabin, a cold storage room, a water tower, and maybe even a utility store.

What are we supposed to thrive on? Air? I'd really like for these clowns to live without their phones or tablets. I really do. :story:
Even the Unabomber would think this is stupid. One weird thing in the Wan story is how the hell did the airbenders befriend them? Cuck to nature? The spirits here are like the worst aspects of nature cranked up to 11! Those airbenders would've died to some disease or get inexplicably eaten anyways.

Compare the spirits of ATLA whose goals are unknown, who either are indifferent to humans, at least hold some dislike to them, or are even outright helpful.

Hei Pei, who rampaged villages out of grief, helped out once Aang gave him hope that his forest will be revived. Koh helped, despite simultaneously wanting to steal a kid's face, Wan Shi Tong just wants his library for God's sake! That one meditating bamboo? Doesn't care, is kind of a dick. Of course, you got the Moon Spirits who out of love for humanity, decided to assume mortal forms.

The point here is that spirits in ATLA held a mysticism about them. They didn't always make sense, but they each had variable goals. Even the most dangerous and unpredictable could be circumvented by understanding their odd nature. Even then, they weren't all super luddites about it and would probably not mind humans creating settlements for themselves unless you have the Fire Nation's war machine wrecking the environment.

In other words, Mike and Brian just suck at environmentalism.
 
People like to claim that the Wan episodes are the best part of Korra but I just couldn't bring myself to like them because of how badly it retconned both the Avatar and Bending in general. The Avatar went from the keeper of balance and bridge between worlds, someone a half step into both the physical and spiritual, to an arbitrary lineage of people possessed by the spirit of Light. Plus you know the whole destruction of the previous lives thing like an episode later making it all moot anyway. Bending lost all mysticism it had from the original series too. It went from martial arts learned from different fantastical animals and the moon that only some people have the aptitude for to oh my ancestor got poked by a god turtle so that means I can bend now.
I like those episodes in a vacuum and the general way the Avatar is created is good...but it should've been the actual spirit of the planet, not some random light spirit. Wan dying got me a little too, but I'm a sucker for those types of scenes so it's not really indicative of the special's quality.
 
So I haven't been paying much attention to the situation of the live action netflex adaptation of avatar until I found this post on /tv/ about it.
So this is the cast
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Now twitter didn't like their skin tones.
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And apparently the guy who plays Sokka had his family lied about his tribal affinity and his family are them ebil trump supporters.
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So I haven't been paying much attention to the situation of the live action netflex adaptation of avatar until I found this post on /tv/ about it.
So this is the cast
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Now twitter didn't like their skin tones.
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And apparently the guy who plays Sokka had his family lied about his tribal affinity and his family are them ebil trump supporters.
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Well...what did they expect?? There is a long history of actors, producers, directors ect. converting to Judaism just to get jobs. When you start putting these retarded "diversity" quota barriers or unwritten rules to conform to in order to get work people will do what they need to in order to bypass them.

I also love the "Trump-supporting family" addition. We are going through a reverse red scare where people are getting fired for even being associated with Conservatives at this point.

It doesn't matter, this whole thing is a fucking garbage fire that everyone knew was dead years before its arrival.
 
So I haven't been paying much attention to the situation of the live action netflex adaptation of avatar until I found this post on /tv/ about it.
So this is the cast
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Now twitter didn't like their skin tones.
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And apparently the guy who plays Sokka had his family lied about his tribal affinity and his family are them ebil trump supporters.
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And Twitter was yelling about the actress for American Chavez in Dr Strange 2 not being dark enough too.

Woke Twitter is the most racist ever.
 
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