Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

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How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%
  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%

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The Russkies have cranked their Over the horizon Radar to the max. OTHR is used to detect threats at much longer ranges than normal radar. most commonly they are used to detect incoming ICBM's its causing significant signal disruption in its bands see here:
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Fun fact: during the cold war the DUGA-1 OTHR in ukraine would make pecking noises when it was online. it got nicknamed the woodpecker in the west
current range apparently is this. Some speculation is that they turned it to the max to deter/detect stealthy aircraft. But im also sure i read that the Russian strategic forces were doing a exercise soon so it might be part of that too. interesting nonetheless.
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This is actually happening wtf?
Yes it is. If the number of deployed Battalions is true upwards of 74% of Russian military forces are deployed to Ukrainian borders. NATO estimates 190,000 troops, some coming as far as Vladivostok.
There are 2 Russian heavy cruisers with escort destroyers in the Mediterranean. Russia also has 12 Troop landing ships in the black sea, ostensibly to land troops on the southern Ukrainian coast. a Spy ship has been sailing just outside Ukrainian waters too.
Here are some maps that have been made based on public sat imagery and local social media and other sources.
Belarus:
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Around Kharkov:
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The separatist held areas:
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Crimea:
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Naval assests Russia and otherwise:
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This is actually happening wtf?
I'd take it with a grain of salt. The Su-25 is a ground attacks/close support jet aircraft, and not a helicopter. If they got that wrong, I don't trust em to get anything else right. Or maybe I'm a stoned sperg and they forgot a comma.
 
Donetsk Peoples republic has issued a "general mobilization"
https://twitter.com/newsistaan/status/1494925738209730561
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"I urge fellow countrymen who are in reserve to come to the military commissariats. Today I signed a decree on general mobilization. I appeal to all the men of the republic who are able to hold weapons in their hands, stand up for their families, their children, wives, mothers. Together we will achieve the desired and necessary victory for all of us. We will protect Donbass and all Russian people. - Denis Puskilin"
All men 18-55 are going to be drafted if the translations are right.
Women, Children and elderly ordered to evacuate to Russia.
 
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Can't imagine 50+ year old gopnik men would be anything but a liability. Is there a shortage of able bodied men or something?
Not everyone being drafted is going right to front-line fighting. Every 50 year old gopnik taking over some logistics duty frees up someone younger and fitter for the front. They're also not as bad as one might think when it comes to behind the lines combat units, like crews for indirect weapons.

And if shit gets really dicey, they can hold an AK and sit in a trench like anyone else. Just wouldn't rely on them to advance, or be much use in any elastic defense. But by that point, for what is functionally a city-state, its probably already too late to try and trade ground for time.
 
Over the last two days, there has been a massive increase in activity in the Donbass region. I was really sceptical about anything genuine actually happening, but it seems that shit has already started to hit the fan.

To recap:
- yesterday (18th), fearing increased hostilities, the Donbass People's Republics started evacuating their citizens to Russia:
- the same evening, Ukrainian military intelligence claimed that Russians have put explosives in various vital locations around Donbass:
- at around the same time, a gas pipe exploded in Lugansk:
- also at the same time, renewed shelling started between Ukrainian and Donbass troops:
- the Lugansk and Donetsk governments have called for a general mobilization:
- due to the increased hostilities, casualties have been reported on both sides:
- the bordering Russian Oblast of Rostov has issued a state of emergency due to the refugee crisis:
- this morning (curiously reported by TASS as a "Thursday morning" ) the Donetsk water supply station was damaged by the Ukrainian shelling:
- also this morning, the speaker of the Russian Duma stated that Russia will move in to defend their citizens in the Donbass if their lives are in danger:


I feel like I'm taking crazy pills because yesterday evening, after hearing about the evacuations, I was thinking about what I would do if I wanted to take over eastern Ukraine and came up with a plan:
- I would cause an artificial refugee crisis by destroying vital parts of civilian infrastructure in false flag attacks to force the local inhabitants to be evacuated to Russia. I would blame the attacks on Ukrainian saboteurs.
- Simultaneously, I would encourage the Donbas militias to provoke the Ukrainian troops to intensify their shelling by firing on their positions with heavy artillery pieces.
- This increase in hostilities threatens the new "humanitarian crisis" in the region and as civilian casualties mount up, I would have the Donbass militias ask for aid from Russia to evacuate the civilians to Russia. This is the queue for the Russian military to move in.
- The Ukrainian military will attempt to stop the Russian military from crossing the border, causing casualties among the troops providing "humanitarian aid" to the Donbass refugees. This gives the Russian troops justification to silence the Ukranian guns by starting an offensive against the current Ukrainian positions.
- Once you have enough land to provide a "protective cordon" around the "humanitarian crisis zone", you can dig in and leave the rest to the politicians. Here you've occupied eastern Ukraine and had at least some form of justification to do it all the way through.
- If the Ukrainian government launches a counteroffensive, you can move further in "self-defence" to prevent any further "hostile acts" on your humanitarian mission. This can lead all the way to install a new government in Kyiv, if need be.

The thing is, last night and this morning, everything has been developing towards this specific scenario. Can anyone tell me something to convince me that a major war is not about to break out in a few days?
 
What's the demographic situation in LDNR anyway? I thought that a big chunk of young able-bodied men left their homes long time ago and either moved to central Ukraine or Russia. From news reports alone it seems that a very big chunk of population is babushkas and some people who for whatever reason can't leave LDNR. Redpill me on the stats, kiwis.

I know that more than 1/4 of population of Ukraine as a whole are elderly people, around 1/5 are children. Cut out the half of what is left (since that half are women) and you have a pool of men that can be drafted. Then we have LDNR where demographics are similar, but a lot of people emigrated from the region.
 
Over the last two days, there has been a massive increase in activity in the Donbass region. I was really sceptical about anything genuine actually happening, but it seems that shit has already started to hit the fan.

To recap:
- yesterday (18th), fearing increased hostilities, the Donbass People's Republics started evacuating their citizens to Russia:
- the same evening, Ukrainian military intelligence claimed that Russians have put explosives in various vital locations around Donbass:
- at around the same time, a gas pipe exploded in Lugansk:
- also at the same time, renewed shelling started between Ukrainian and Donbass troops:
- the Lugansk and Donetsk governments have called for a general mobilization:
- due to the increased hostilities, casualties have been reported on both sides:
- the bordering Russian Oblast of Rostov has issued a state of emergency due to the refugee crisis:
- this morning (curiously reported by TASS as a "Thursday morning" ) the Donetsk water supply station was damaged by the Ukrainian shelling:
- also this morning, the speaker of the Russian Duma stated that Russia will move in to defend their citizens in the Donbass if their lives are in danger:


I feel like I'm taking crazy pills because yesterday evening, after hearing about the evacuations, I was thinking about what I would do if I wanted to take over eastern Ukraine and came up with a plan:
- I would cause an artificial refugee crisis by destroying vital parts of civilian infrastructure in false flag attacks to force the local inhabitants to be evacuated to Russia. I would blame the attacks on Ukrainian saboteurs.
- Simultaneously, I would encourage the Donbas militias to provoke the Ukrainian troops to intensify their shelling by firing on their positions with heavy artillery pieces.
- This increase in hostilities threatens the new "humanitarian crisis" in the region and as civilian casualties mount up, I would have the Donbass militias ask for aid from Russia to evacuate the civilians to Russia. This is the queue for the Russian military to move in.
- The Ukrainian military will attempt to stop the Russian military from crossing the border, causing casualties among the troops providing "humanitarian aid" to the Donbass refugees. This gives the Russian troops justification to silence the Ukranian guns by starting an offensive against the current Ukrainian positions.
- Once you have enough land to provide a "protective cordon" around the "humanitarian crisis zone", you can dig in and leave the rest to the politicians. Here you've occupied eastern Ukraine and had at least some form of justification to do it all the way through.
- If the Ukrainian government launches a counteroffensive, you can move further in "self-defence" to prevent any further "hostile acts" on your humanitarian mission. This can lead all the way to install a new government in Kyiv, if need be.

The thing is, last night and this morning, everything has been developing towards this specific scenario. Can anyone tell me something to convince me that a major war is not about to break out in a few days?
Donbass and Lugansk are not the targets here, the target is to bargain with the US. If you attack right now, you will lose the ability to continiue bargaining. So far I it is a nerve play and catching pictures on TV, I think. But at the same time, Tsar's plan can be different from what the militants have in mind, those guys need war, because war=Russian money. Here went my attempt at blue pill lol
 
Pic of the blown up car. Or jeep, rather...
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Just so happens to be convienently parked in the middle of a mostly empty parking lot. Nobody was harmed either. Rumor mill is claiming that this jeep belonged to the commander of Donetsk's Peoples Militia, Denis Sinenkov.
I have a theroy about this. I think the US and UK governments as well as Canada, Australia, and new Zealand need a political win badly. I don't think the respective governments would mind setting up a car bombs in hopes it does damage. However in this case I think it glows and either Russian or us media will try and spin a narrative. I mean after all a war in Ukraine would end up being a morale boost and might give the government coverage to oppress the population.
 
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