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Hircine is one of the more straightforward Daedric princes. What makes me twitch is when people say nice things about Sheogorath or Meridia.
Meridia hates undead with a literal burning passion. That's about it, really. I tried to get deeper into the lore about Meridia but I'd need some of Kirkbride's drugs to understand anything more than she fled with Magnus and tore a hole in the fabric of reality to create one of the "stars" we see.
 
Honest opinion, the Forsworn and Reachmen are underappreciated. I know how you guys feel about some of the changes in Skyrim but I wouldn't mind having a personal tribal Kaczynski as a companion.
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The Forsworn are cool, also Ulfric and the Stormcloaks are a bunch of hypocritical little bitches who did the same things to the native Reachmen that they cry about the Thalmor and the Empire doing to them.
 
The Forsworn are cool, also Ulfric and the Stormcloaks are a bunch of hypocritical little bitches who did the same things to the native Reachmen that they cry about the Thalmor and the Empire doing to them.
yeah but the Thalmor are a bunch of faggy elves which by the laws of fantasy means that all elf activity is bad and all human activity doesn't matter because elves are faggots.
 
Meridia hates undead with a literal burning passion. That's about it, really. I tried to get deeper into the lore about Meridia but I'd need some of Kirkbride's drugs to understand anything more than she fled with Magnus and tore a hole in the fabric of reality to create one of the "stars" we see.
Oblivion, Knights of the Nine. Starts with Meridia's Champion sending his goons to slaughter the Priestesses of Dibella and write threatening messages with said priestess' blood and viscera. He tries two more times but makes the poor decision to try it when the Hero of Kvatch is there and is thwarted. In the in-game book "The Adabal-a" Morihaus describes some pretty fucked up shit the Ayleids did in Meridia's honor. Her hating undead is a side-effect, Imagine a slightly more zealous version of a 40k Inquisitor and you are closer to the truth.
 
The Forsworn are cool, also Ulfric and the Stormcloaks are a bunch of hypocritical little bitches who did the same things to the native Reachmen that they cry about the Thalmor and the Empire doing to them.

How do you feel about Pelinial and Alessia, then?
 
I can sympathize with the Stormcloak sentiment, but personally can't stand Ulfric's tone, so when I got to the throne room I let Tullius do the dirty work. The songs will sing of Ulfric falling to the olive skinned mafionic mediterreanean bumbling fool.
 
I can sympathize with the Stormcloak sentiment, but personally can't stand Ulfric's tone, so when I got to the throne room I let Tullius do the dirty work. The songs will sing of Ulfric falling to the olive skinned mafionic mediterreanean bumbling fool.
I just think it's piss poor timing to have a rebellion when it gives the bigger enemy more time to recover and makes both sides weaker.
 
I can sympathize with the Stormcloak sentiment, but personally can't stand Ulfric's tone, so when I got to the throne room I let Tullius do the dirty work. The songs will sing of Ulfric falling to the olive skinned mafionic mediterreanean bumbling fool.
I mean, he could be a fool but if he is then Ulfric's a bigger one.

Dude was about to cut off Ulfric's head at Helgen until a time dragon just randomly showed up out of nowhere.
 
I mean, he could be a fool but if he is then Ulfric's a bigger one.

Dude was about to cut off Ulfric's head at Helgen until a time dragon just randomly showed up out of nowhere.

Nah, Tullius is by far the biggest idiot in the whole Civil War.

Ulfric surrenders, which on its own seems stupid but when you realize he wanted to be put on trial to make a statement/scene, it at least makes a little bit more sense.

What doesn't make sense is Tullius going along with it and not executing him right there at Darkwater Crossing. Instead he seemingly starts taking him to Cyrodil for a trial. Only to, for some reason, turn around and head back at the border.

So either Tullius realized this was a fucking stupid idea and was playing into whatever plans/ideas Ulfric had, or he was ordered not to bring him to Cyrodil for a trial. Either way, instead of just executing him right there...he decides to take him to a backwater fort town to put on a show execution for a group of a dozen or so peasants.

So then he gets to Helgen, and instead of executing Ulfric right away he executes some random mook because he asks them to? And then instead of executing Ulfric right after him, he lets some dipshit Captain order some random stranger they picked up to be executed because she seemingly had a grudge against them.

He had Ulfric for TWO DAYS, and didn't finish him off. Are Empire/Tullius fanboys just retarded or not paying attention?
 
I just think it's piss poor timing to have a rebellion when it gives the bigger enemy more time to recover and makes both sides weaker.
The Thalmor fed him some misinformation while he was a prisoner to encourage anti-Empire behavior and encourage the natural anti-authority tendencies of the Nords. Forcing the Empire to crack down on the worship of Talos is another great way to encourage unrest without actually getting your hands dirty. So long as the civil war is ongoing and unresolved they benefit from the bloodshed. He's an unwitting pawn of their schemes, sadly.
Nah, Tullius is by far the biggest idiot in the whole Civil War.

Ulfric surrenders, which on its own seems stupid but when you realize he wanted to be put on trial to make a statement/scene, it at least makes a little bit more sense.

What doesn't make sense is Tullius going along with it and not executing him right there at Darkwater Crossing. Instead he seemingly starts taking him to Cyrodil for a trial. Only to, for some reason, turn around and head back at the border.

So either Tullius realized this was a fucking stupid idea and was playing into whatever plans/ideas Ulfric had, or he was ordered not to bring him to Cyrodil for a trial. Either way, instead of just executing him right there...he decides to take him to a backwater fort town to put on a show execution for a group of a dozen or so peasants.

So then he gets to Helgen, and instead of executing Ulfric right away he executes some random mook because he asks them to? And then instead of executing Ulfric right after him, he lets some dipshit Captain order some random stranger they picked up to be executed because she seemingly had a grudge against them.

He had Ulfric for TWO DAYS, and didn't finish him off. Are Empire/Tullius fanboys just retarded or not paying attention?
There's a reason the Thalmor had an agent there at Helgen, and I doubt it was merely to observe matters given the level of influence they had at high levels like that.
 
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There's a reason the Thalmor had an agent there at Helgen, and I doubt it was merely to observe matters given the level of influence they had at high levels like that.

Yeah, everyone knows that Elenwen was there to try and stop the execution.

This does nothing to help Tullius not look like a fucking moron for not just killing Ulfric straight away.
 
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The Thalmor fed him some misinformation while he was a prisoner to encourage anti-Empire behavior and encourage the natural anti-authority tendencies of the Nords. Forcing the Empire to crack down on the worship of Talos is another great way to encourage unrest without actually getting your hands dirty. So long as the civil war is ongoing and unresolved they benefit from the bloodshed. He's an unwitting pawn of their schemes, sadly.
None of his actual motives and grievances involve the misinformation that he was fed, though. The Empire genuinely did abandon Morrowind and Hammerfell and then outlaw Talos. If I remember correctly, the misinformation that he was fed was that something that he told the Thalmor led to the sack of the Imperial City.

It got ten times worse in Oblivion, though.
If you ignore the latter half of the Shivering Isles where he gets deadly serious and reveals he had an actual reason for sending you to do all the things that seemed like random shit at the time, I guess.
 
If you ignore the latter half of the Shivering Isles where he gets deadly serious and reveals he had an actual reason for sending you to do all the things that seemed like random shit at the time, I guess.

Was he always fixated on cheese? Or was that just because his one quest in Oblivion involved cheese?

I'm legit asking I don't remember shit from my one playthrough of Morrowind.
 
Was he always fixated on cheese? Or was that just because his one quest in Oblivion involved cheese?

I'm legit asking I don't remember shit from my one playthrough of Morrowind.
I don't think so. The offering he requests in Oblivion is a soul gem, a ball of yarn, and a head of lettuce, but the only cheese thing was with the quest and a single line after you finished one of his tasks in the Shivering Isles questline.
"Time for a celebration... Cheese for everyone! Wait, scratch that, cheese for no one. That can be just as much of a celebration, if you don't like cheese. True? You've run a maze like a good little rat, but no cheese for you yet. Well, maybe a little." He delivery was just over the top about the initial "cheese for everyone!" and I guess it stuck.

If you ignore the latter half of the Shivering Isles where he gets deadly serious and reveals he had an actual reason for sending you to do all the things that seemed like random shit at the time, I guess.
Thinking about it more, it's probably the Oblivion voice actor's bombastic delivery and low-functioning spergs not really catching/remembering the parts where he wasn't LOLRANDOM.
 
For a being as batshit as Sheogorath, I felt unnerved as he calmly and rationally talked about the concept of time before his final transformation into Jyggalag. The concept of him being the cursed form of a being obsessed with order was quite fascinating, I hope that TES VI will reintroduce Jyggalag in a similar way to Boethiah's quest in Morrowind.
 
Thinking about it more, it's probably the Oblivion voice actor's bombastic delivery and low-functioning spergs not really catching/remembering the parts where he wasn't LOLRANDOM.
There definitely are a few Sheogorath lines in Oblivion and Skyrim that are more grating than funny, I just find it odd that people's perception of modern Sheogorath is that he's only LOLRANDOM when he explicitly tells you his motivations in both Shivering Isles and his side quest in Skyrim. I haven't played Online, but I've heard that he's even decently villainous there in a few quests.
 
There definitely are a few Sheogorath lines in Oblivion and Skyrim that are more grating than funny, I just find it odd that people's perception of modern Sheogorath is that he's only LOLRANDOM when he explicitly tells you his motivations in both Shivering Isles and his side quest in Skyrim. I haven't played Online, but I've heard that he's even decently villainous there in a few quests.

It's been a while since I played ESO, but I think the area's story was that somebody prayed to Sheogorath for help for whateverthefuck, that whateverthefuck bored him, so Sheogorath made the entire town murderously insane and sat back and enjoyed watching the deathmatch. I don't know if the reason he was made so pointlessly cruel was because if the game's loremasters are complete retards or the writers took the reception of his portrayal in Shivering Isles too hard.
 
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