RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

I could have sworn that they said in one of their videos that was what the thick white line on her dress was supposed to be, I thought it was in one of the Volume 4 videos but I can't seem to find it. So I'll take that one back for now.



I don't think he's supposed to be a femboy so much as he's supposed to be Fujo bait. Which is worse to be honest. They might have claimed to try to make a femboy, but I think they meant to make him Fujo bait.
And that's what separates Mupa from Monty and Ein Lee - the lack of subtle, yet intricate detail. I could barely make out shit based off of the way she makes her drawings or approves the designs. Everything here seems too simple.

Speaking of Ren, my God. Everything has to be that shallow for their tastes?
 
None taken, I really don't mind the movies, I liked Barricade's look in the last knight and their take on Hound, also there's no point getting mad over a glorified toy commercial and flames on a truck, but I digress.

The reason I brought Bayverse up in the first place is because the retard that drew them thought that these designs are better than the original and pays more homage to "Monty's Vision™" when in reality the designs from Bay's movies did a better job on paying respects towards the original works in comparison. If they're oh so confident enough to call their garbage Fixing RWBY, then it's only fair for all of us to call them out on their fart huffing.
Speaking of Bay, I’ll take Linkin Park over Jeff and Casey Williams every day of the week.
 
None taken, I really don't mind the movies, I liked Barricade's look in the last knight and their take on Hound, also there's no point getting mad over a glorified toy commercial and flames on a truck, but I digress.

The reason I brought Bayverse up in the first place is because the retard that drew them thought that these designs are better than the original and pays more homage to "Monty's Vision™" when in reality the designs from Bay's movies did a better job on paying respects towards the original works in comparison. If they're oh so confident enough to call their garbage Fixing RWBY, then it's only fair for all of us to call them out on their fart huffing.
I agree, sorry about that, it's just the retardation of TF fandom just rubbed off me as a kid (It's a retarded fandom, but then again, there's rarely one that isn't).

They're even worse than Bayverse in that regard, Bay never says his work is better than other iterations, he admits it's is own thing. Celtic on the other hand just bitches about how bad RWBY is (which it is), & how great his shit is (it very much isn't).
Speaking of Bay, I’ll take Linkin Park over Jeff and Casey Williams every day of the week.
Virgin Cucktic VS Chad Michael Baysed.

Seriously, at least you can enjoy Bay's work & you can make a whole list on why this becomes unironically true.
 
Aight. I was going to do the next two chapters. And I did. And then I realized that I was done.

I do not like reading this. I do not enjoy it.

It is worst of all worlds. Everything I hate about RWBY, none of the good. Everything I hate about new writers, none of the passion. Everything I hate about old writers, none of the skill.

This is no passion project. Celtic does not care about what he does. This is a grift.

This is a first draft he has edited to look better, but that doesn't change the paragraphs with sentences that internally contradict each other, one dimensional characters, and tropes that clash. It has all the hallmarks of discovery writing, but not a single thing I expect to see from edits.

Celtic is getting something out of this. It could be money from the Patreon, it could be ego, but whatever it is, it has nothing to do with telling a good story.

Love is something that shines through in stories. Every child I have ever had ask me to look over their writing was a better writer than this. Paragraphs were broken, words were misspelled, characterization was cardboard cutouts, but the love they had for what they were making was clear as day.

I am a master of the craft. I don't care if you don't believe me. I don't care if you do. I won't prove it either. Writing is too identifiable, and misses the point; My mastery of the skills of this particular art are not dependent on your approval. I don't care what you think.

And in my opinion, both personal and professional, Celtic, and his rewrite, Fixing RWBY, is creatively, morally, and technically bankrupt.
 
Aight. I was going to do the next two chapters. And I did. And then I realized that I was done.

I do not like reading this. I do not enjoy it.

It is worst of all worlds. Everything I hate about RWBY, none of the good. Everything I hate about new writers, none of the passion. Everything I hate about old writers, none of the skill.

This is no passion project. Celtic does not care about what he does. This is a grift.

This is a first draft he has edited to look better, but that doesn't change the paragraphs with sentences that internally contradict each other, one dimensional characters, and tropes that clash. It has all the hallmarks of discovery writing, but not a single thing I expect to see from edits.

Celtic is getting something out of this. It could be money from the Patreon, it could be ego, but whatever it is, it has nothing to do with telling a good story.

Love is something that shines through in stories. Every child I have ever had ask me to look over their writing was a better writer than this. Paragraphs were broken, words were misspelled, characterization was cardboard cutouts, but the love they had for what they were making was clear as day.

I am a master of the craft. I don't care if you don't believe me. I don't care if you do. I won't prove it either. Writing is too identifiable, and misses the point; My mastery of the skills of this particular art are not dependent on your approval. I don't care what you think.

And in my opinion, both personal and professional, Celtic, and his rewrite, Fixing RWBY, is creatively, morally, and technically bankrupt.
I won't blame you either - the guy is so long winded, his videos are a boring slog to get through. And guess what - just like RT's canon Volume 5, it all started with this volume of FRWBY as well!

The worst part is - he has no fucking charisma whatsoever. Just blah blah blah with his wannabe Razorfist impression. But Razorfist has entertainment value and can explain things in a simple way that works hand in hand with his mastery of the thesaurus.

Like, Raymond as a narrator is boring and crusty, and turns even the most poetic words into dogshit. He doesn't change tones or simplify words to draw the viewers' attention, or make himself seem a lot happier and entertaining. He just starts sniffing his own farts with the way he writes and talks.

E.C. Myers may have narration that's staler than day old bread, but you, Ray have a boring slog of a voice and presentation that could turn Shakespeare into the oral version of watching paint dry!
 
I won't blame you either - the guy is so long winded, his videos are a boring slog to get through. And guess what - just like RT's canon Volume 5, it all started with this volume of FRWBY as well!

The worst part is - he has no fucking charisma whatsoever. Just blah blah blah with his wannabe Razorfist impression. But Razorfist has entertainment value and can explain things in a simple way that works hand in hand with his mastery of the thesaurus.

Like, Raymond as a narrator is boring and crusty, and turns even the most poetic words into dogshit. He doesn't change tones or simplify words to draw the viewers' attention, or make himself seem a lot happier and entertaining. He just starts sniffing his own farts with the way he writes and talks.

E.C. Myers may have narration that's staler than day old bread, but you, Ray have a boring slog of a voice and presentation that could turn Shakespeare into the oral version of watching paint dry!
As someone who knows what they are doing, Celtic's works are legitimately painful to read. The stupidity hurts, and I just want it to stop.

Analyzing writing isn't the easiest thing to do because of how complex it is. I start running into problems justifying the time sink when I am putting more thought into Celtic's worldbuilding than he did.

Critiquing prose this bad is the equivalent of shoving your hand into a blender.
 
I believe that was by design. There was the onsen scene where Roman thought Ren was a chick, and there was a scene where Ren walked out a drunken Qrow out of a bar, and IIRC one of the SH mentioned Qrow seeing Ren as some hot chick.
Since monty used to voice this character, is that potentially a throwback reference to the time when Gavin drunkenly stated "Monty, Im not attracted to dudes but if I had a boner for you, it's really trying right now."
 
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Since monty used to voice this character, is that potentially a throwback reference to the time when Gavin drunkenly stated "Monty, Im not attracted to dudes but if I had a boner for you, it's really trying right now."
Highly doubt it. FRWBY, time and again, had proven to us that they're a team of talentless hacks lead by fart huffing lolcows. What little competent people they had left were either driven away or are stuck to do the menial tasks after joining. Not to mention, they're contstantly malding over anything Rooster Teeth and Miles Luna that they put any geewunner's seething over Michael Bay and flames on a truck to shame. Deep and meta levels of referencing and writing like what you're saying is not their forte.
 
Highly doubt it. FRWBY, time and again, had proven to us that they're a team of talentless hacks lead by fart huffing lolcows. What little competent people they had left were either driven away or are stuck to do the menial tasks after joining. Not to mention, they're contstantly malding over anything Rooster Teeth and Miles Luna that they put any geewunner's seething over Michael Bay and flames on a truck to shame. Deep and meta levels of referencing and writing like what you're saying is not their forte.
I just figured that RT was all about inside jokes. I mean, they took the Flint Coal "joke" from old AH LPs and made it into a RWBY character. One they got called racists for for some reason.
 
I am a master of the craft. I don't care if you don't believe me. I don't care if you do. I won't prove it either.
No offense dude but this makes you sound like Raymond and also the head writer for Remnants.
Highly doubt it. FRWBY, time and again, had proven to us that they're a team of talentless hacks lead by fart huffing lolcows. What little competent people they had left were either driven away or are stuck to do the menial tasks after joining. Not to mention, they're contstantly malding over anything Rooster Teeth and Miles Luna that they put any geewunner's seething over Michael Bay and flames on a truck to shame. Deep and meta levels of referencing and writing like what you're saying is not their forte.
What gets me is how they constantly shit on RWBY's writing, especially Luna's, and yet use it as a foundation for FRWBY. Not in the sense that it's a RWBY fanfic, but in the sense that they made the same mistakes by keeping the same story beats and the same writing flaws. They can deny it all they want, cover it with purple prose, and say they improved it, but much like RWBY itself the good is only found in isolated scenes. Yang's talks with Raven are good until you see how they framed Raven as a whole and realize how contradictory she is. Then they try to cover it with excuses about how it's so much deeper than that, you see, because this shows that Raven is unstable and immature. But then you run into issues like "then why do people follow her" and "that doesn't mean she's a sociopath, why does she lose her temper sometimes but then not react to her daughter's death." It's why this scene is ridiculous:
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I can't believe I actually have to praise Miles Luna's Raven for at least being consistent. Raven was rock bottom to begin with but Raymond dug.
I just figured that RT was all about inside jokes.
So is the FRWBY team. A lot of the "comedy" is borne of inside jokes.
 
No offense dude but this makes you sound like Raymond and also the head writer for Remnants.
Don't really care, lol.

Do I get there's a resemblance? Yes. Does it matter to me? No. I have much better things to worry about than what a stranger on the internet thinks of me, especially if they aren't a writing peer running in the same circles I am.

Only reason I said that is so you can understand where I'm coming from, and why Raymond makes me MATI. What he's doing is offensive to me on a personal level considering how difficult it was to get where I am now.

What gets me is how they constantly shit on RWBY's writing, especially Luna's, and yet use it as a foundation for FRWBY. Not in the sense that it's a RWBY fanfic, but in the sense that they made the same mistakes by keeping the same story beats and the same writing flaws. They can deny it all they want, cover it with purple prose, and say they improved it, but much like RWBY itself the good is only found in isolated scenes. Yang's talks with Raven are good until you see how they framed Raven as a whole and realize how contradictory she is. Then they try to cover it with excuses about how it's so much deeper than that, you see, because this shows that Raven is unstable and immature. But then you run into issues like "then why do people follow her" and "that doesn't mean she's a sociopath, why does she lose her temper sometimes but then not react to her daughter's death." It's why this scene is ridiculous:

It doesn't surprise me at all. This is Fanfic 101. Granted, most fanficcers get over this phase significantly sooner that Raymond, but most do go through it, even me, much to my everlasting shame.

You start with taking something you enjoyed and tweaking scenes you didn't like to turn them into something you do.

Most fanficcers in general stick to stations of cannon to some extent, some more than others. What people don't understand is that making an original plot is hard work. Sticking to the stations of cannon greatly reduces the work you have to do.

It also makes your story incredibly predictable and boring, but that's neither here nor there.

Point being this is a beginner mistake, and Celtic is either a grifter (leaning towards grifter TBH), or a beginner. If he's a grifter, then making his own original plot is too much work for what he's getting out of this. The FNDM will fellate his boots no matter how much piss he sprays on the leather. If he's a beginner, then pinpointing what the audience responded too and the problems RWBY has now is something beyond his skill level. Things like that require an understanding of the building blocks of story. Raymond hasn't displayed that understanding so far, and I doubt he will in the future.
 
No offense dude but this makes you sound like Raymond and also the head writer for Remnants.

What gets me is how they constantly shit on RWBY's writing, especially Luna's, and yet use it as a foundation for FRWBY. Not in the sense that it's a RWBY fanfic, but in the sense that they made the same mistakes by keeping the same story beats and the same writing flaws. They can deny it all they want, cover it with purple prose, and say they improved it, but much like RWBY itself the good is only found in isolated scenes. Yang's talks with Raven are good until you see how they framed Raven as a whole and realize how contradictory she is. Then they try to cover it with excuses about how it's so much deeper than that, you see, because this shows that Raven is unstable and immature. But then you run into issues like "then why do people follow her" and "that doesn't mean she's a sociopath, why does she lose her temper sometimes but then not react to her daughter's death." It's why this scene is ridiculous:

I can't believe I actually have to praise Miles Luna's Raven for at least being consistent. Raven was rock bottom to begin with but Raymond dug.

So is the FRWBY team. A lot of the "comedy" is borne of inside jokes.
... So in other words, in their attempt to justify Raven crying like a bitch ... they just repeat the scene but with Shay/Shiloh instead?

Speaking of keeping story beats, why they insist on having Vernal be the sacrificial lion and die as opposed to living and finding firsthand who Raven truly is on the inside ... why!? It's the same fucking plot beat! Vernal doesn't get to grow and develop, or show internal conflict, or doubt, no she dies a loyal dog to Raven's decision making.

And he has the nerve to claim he's better than the canon writers.
 
Speaking of keeping story beats, why they insist on having Vernal be the sacrificial lion and die as opposed to living and finding firsthand who Raven truly is on the inside ... why!? It's the same fucking plot beat! Vernal doesn't get to grow and develop, or show internal conflict, or doubt, no she dies a loyal dog to Raven's decision making.

And he has the nerve to claim he's better than the canon writers.
From what I remember, he talked about how wanting the Maiden twist to mean something, and for Vernal to be a tragic character since she died before she could have a full character arc and get flaw was her loyalty to Raven. It’s why she got so many scenes with Weiss and Yang.
 
From what I remember, he talked about how wanting the Maiden twist to mean something, and for Vernal to be a tragic character since she died before she could have a full character arc and get flaw was her loyalty to Raven. It’s why she got so many scenes with Weiss and Yang.
Speaking of keeping story beats, why they insist on having Vernal be the sacrificial lion and die as opposed to living and finding firsthand who Raven truly is on the inside ... why!? It's the same fucking plot beat! Vernal doesn't get to grow and develop, or show internal conflict, or doubt, no she dies a loyal dog to Raven's decision making.
This is why he did it, but instead of making Vernal a literally who that serves as nothing more than a red herring like in RWBY he has instead made her into a waste of an actual character, so as far as I see it he's actually failed harder.
 
You think the delay of the new season is because of Arcane? Sure, budget, shenanigans, all that crap may have contributed, but the biggest factor had to have been what seasons 7 and 8 should have been in what is literally a video game adaptation done right. To top it off, with a nigh similar plot. Only done objectively better and more nuanced.

As soon as that shit hit, people weren't talking about Ironwood or Robyn Hillary, or even Yang petting her new bottom. Not Atlas or Mantle, or whatever the hell kind of name cities or kingdoms are called.

No. People were talking up a storm about Jynx, Violet, Jayce, Caitlyn and Ekko. About the conflict between Piltover and Zaun. About how the League started.

I think RT saw the writing on the wall and realized what they could have done to not fuck up their bread and butter until it started to mold something fierce.

Arcane might as well be distilled RWBY, while RWBY is dollar store Arcane.
 
You think the delay of the new season is because of Arcane?
Highly doubtful. It may have contributed but I honestly think that the biggest issue with V9 is a combination of RT's internal doldrums and V8 itself. Volume 8 did not go over well with basically anyone and even some of the most die hard RWBY stans found a way to hate V8, combine that with the fact that RT is struggling to remain solvent as a company and I wouldn't be surprised if they just hit the "oh shit!" button and pumped the brakes, I also wouldn't be surprised if they end up doing a bit of "restructuring" on CRWBY as a result. I've poked fun at @Random Internet Person before over how they bring up RWBY at every given opportunity over at the Rooster Teeth thread but despite the ribbing RIP has a point; RWBY is undeniably Rooster Teeth's biggest current IP and one of the exceedingly few pieces of relevancy, and more importantly good relationship with their own fanbase, that they have left. Red vs Blue is dead, Camp Camp is dead, Nomad of Nowhere is dead, Achievement Hunter is quickly dying, Funhause is quickly dying, Death Battle is still somewhat relevant but it's nowhere near as big as RWBY. For this reason V8 was an unmitigated disaster since it demolished any good will the remaining community had left towards the property and frankly I think that delaying release is high risk and potentially high reward. Delay the release and let the tempers cool for a bit, V9 doesn't even have to be good, every other volume has already proven that, it just has to be better then V8, which is fully doable if they take their time and also change out their writers.
 
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