Chris - The Legal Issues - A Prosecutor's Perspective

JanuaryViolet said:
If someone calls and actually gets through to one of the clerks with a request like this, they're going to be told to look up the public records that are available online, which is pretty much everything except psych reports.

Family court matters do have some public records but they are also redacted.
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See below.

Stupidface said:
I thought that for Virginia's J&DR courts there's specifically no online records available to the public, but they are otherwise (for cases not concerning juveniles) available offline by request. At least, I thought such was mentioned a few times earlier in this thread or a related one.
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Investigation reports, medical reports, etc. are not available to the public, even in adult cases. We're not allowed to hear about what they found during Barb's examination, what Chris' psych eval said, etc. The hearing may also be closed to the public at the judge's discretion (mostly to keep those reports private), but they have to provide an explanation WHY it's closed. They're not allowed to simply say "Sorry, hearing's closed." They're specifically required to make a written explanation of why the public is not allowed to attend and enter it into the public record.

i.e. we should at least be able to get some idea of what's happening, even if we don't get details. The information in the hearing is secret, but not the entire purpose of the hearing.


The problem is that J&DR doesn't publish even the publicly-available information from the docket online. They don't publish *anything*. You have to get it from the clerk.
 
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Pointless Sperg said:
The hearing may also be closed to the public at the judge's discretion (mostly to keep those reports private), but they have to provide an explanation WHY it's closed. They're not allowed to simply say "Sorry, hearing's closed."
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I demand detailed descriptions from Barb about what it felt like to have Chris ram his bent duck into her at maximum force. For science and for the good of the public.
 
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Ophelia said:
Iirc, Bob said in one of his letters that Chris resembled his family, if that means anything.
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Bob's other children are Doctors and Professionals. I don't see the resemblance.


AnOminous said:
I would disagree. There's no better place to have sin taxes.
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Only if skipping taxes wasn't a sin. Oh wait…

Sin taxes only work where they can be enforced. Where the majority aren't sinners.

The point is that when a widespread market already exists with well established supply and distribution, any attempt to create a second, highly taxed legal market only reduces the prices of the existing black market to below that of the legal product plus tax. In essence, increasing taxes on the legal market only increases the profits of the black market.
 
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Only if skipping taxes wasn't a sin. Oh wait…

Sin taxes only work where they can be enforced. Where the majority aren't sinners.

The point is that when a widespread market already exists with well established supply and distribution, any attempt to create a second, highly taxed legal market only reduces the prices of the existing black market to below that of the legal product plus tax. In essence, increasing taxes on the legal market only increases the profits of the black market.
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You just have to make the tax less than the value of the hassle of acquiring it illegally. It's not too hard to make moonshine but most people buy alcohol legally. People only buy illegal tobacco cigarettes in places where the tax has become too damn high (like New York).

Make the tax something reasonable and people will pay it. There will always be people who will get it some other way but as long as that number is small it won't support large scale illegal industries.
 
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Pointless Sperg said:
You just have to make the tax less than the value of the hassle of acquiring it illegally.
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When you have a well established black market, that hassle is very low. In some of the places where it's legal you have to apply for a medical marijuana card, but even where you don't you still have to travel to the weed shop to get it. The black market has door to door delivery. No card needed. Thirty minutes or less, or your first time is free.

With that in mind, you might be able to charge one percent on something like marijuana. Maybe. But only so long as your baseline prices are the same as the black market, but I heard Oregon is charging 20%. Really.

And again, the real financial benefit to legalization is the savings in not having prosecutions and incarcerations, but governments are too greedy and stupid to see that.

Make the tax something reasonable and people will pay it.
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It's not a matter of "reasonable" or other such fuzzy metrics. It's basic economics. It's numbers. Every tax has its own laffer curve, and there is a very specific peak to that curve. Go beyond the peak and the tax becomes counterproductive. Clearly 20% is way beyond it for marijuana, because it's harming the legal market while enriching the illegal market.

What they should have done is let the legal market establish itself for a decade or so with no taxes and minimal licensing fees to give it every chance possible at competing with the illegal market. Then, a few years after the illegal market has been disrupted, maybe apply a small tax (or just leave marijuana sales subject to the basic state sales tax - revenue is revenue) which they slowly increase until they find the laffer curve peak for marijuana. However that takes time, and governments are impatient as well as stupid and greedy.


Ophelia said:
Chris still physically resembles the Chandler side of the family, according to Bob.
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I'm not so sure. I can see a lot of Cole and Barb in Chris, but not a lot of David or Carol.

I am sure Bob had to find some way to justify sticking around with Barb and Chris, even if only to himself.

The point is, we don't KNOW. Nobody does short of a DNA test. I don't see David or Carol agreeing to that in case it turns out they are actually related to Chris. Until then I'm willing to give poor Bob the benefit of the doubt.
 
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A-№1 said:
With that in mind, you might be able to charge one percent on something like marijuana. Maybe. But only so long as your baseline prices are the same as the black market, but I heard Oregon is charging 20%. Really.
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Or the experience is in general better. There's something to be said for where you can have a certificate from an independent lab saying exactly what the contents of what you're buying is, an assurance it's of a specific quality, and isn't some vile ammonia weed left in a car trunk for months and isn't sold to you by some long-legged mack daddy who would as soon stab you as look at you.
 
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AnOminous said:
Or the experience is in general better.
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Twenty percent better?

There's something to be said for where you can have a certificate from an independent lab saying exactly what the contents of what you're buying is, an assurance it's of a specific quality, and isn't some vile ammonia weed left in a car trunk for months and isn't sold to you by some long-legged mack daddy who would as soon stab you as look at you.
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And that would be a concern were it heroin or meth or any other example of "better living through chemistry" where the product is difficult or complicated to source and could be mixed / cut with who knows what, but the manufacture of weed is too direct to consumer for that.

You're arguing under the assumption that the black market for marijuana is some sketchy fly-by-night affair, and while there is that end of the market, the industry as a whole is at least as sophisticated as the illegal liquor industry was under prohibition. Competition goes both ways. If the legal market starts eating into the illegal market's profits by providing better quality (a dubious claim), the illegal market simply increases the quality of its own product.
 
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chris lawyer better hope he takes the plea. a plea only goes through if the client agrees to it. you could have the best plea deal in the world, but if the client is retarded and refuses, "nothing you can do, bugged client mechanics." so if chris argues to take it to trial, his laywer is shit out of luck,
that would be entertaining for us, but its possible.
 
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Michael Janke said:
chris lawyer better hope he takes the plea. a plea only goes through if the client agrees to it. you could have the best plea deal in the world, but if the client is retarded and refuses, "nothing you can do, bugged client mechanics." so if chris argues to take it to trial, his laywer is shit out of luck,
that would be entertaining for us, but its possible.
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He has always taken the plea before.
 
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Michael Janke said:
chris lawyer better hope he takes the plea.
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That is literally his job in this case. Seriously, saying that is like saying an engineer "hopes" the bridge stays up.

Yes, Heilberg is technically Chris' "defense" lawyer, but Chris is indefensible. He's working for the best plea deal he can get for Chris. His job is to get the best possibly outcome for Chris, which is not the same thing as what Chris himself might want.


Ophelia said:
He has always taken the plea before.
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This.

Chris is a coward. He will agree to anything if told the only alternative is to go to prison with all the slow-in-the-minds and niggos.

Getting him to actually abide by his side of the plea deal is another matter entirely.
 
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A-№1 said:
This.

Chris is a coward. He will agree to anything if told the only alternative is to go to prison with all the slow-in-the-minds and niggos.
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its not a matter of cowardice, will his ego let him admit that he raped his mom and is in fact guilty for doing it. that he's not the troon reincarnation of jesus and was using his healing powers on his mom. a plea deal would mean he has to acknowledge that fact. when a trial lets him theoretically fight it.
the Michael Snyder incident is a little bit different.
in the micheal snyder incident, what was their to fight? was that not chris in the car, did he not hit michael snyder?
in the gamestop incident, he was caught on camera.
 
Michael Janke said:
its not a matter of cowardice, will his ego let him admit that he raped his mom and is in fact guilty for doing it. that he's not the troon reincarnation of jesus and was using his healing powers on his mom. a plea deal would mean he has to acknowledge that fact. when a trial lets him theoretically fight it.
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He doesn’t have to admit to any of those things unless the plea deal stipulates that he does. Why would the prosecution demand that? More likely, a plea deal would just mean he has to admit he broke the law. Chris can do that even without crossing his fingers behind his back.
 
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Michael Janke said:
its not a matter of cowardice, will his ego let him admit that he raped his mom and is in fact guilty for doing it. that he's not the troon reincarnation of jesus and was using his healing powers on his mom. a plea deal would mean he has to acknowledge that fact. when a trial lets him theoretically fight it.
the Michael Snyder incident is a little bit different.
in the micheal snyder incident, what was their to fight? was that not chris in the car, did he not hit michael snyder?
in the gamestop incident, he was caught on camera.
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He isn't charged with rape, impersonating Jesus, or falsely claiming to heal his mother. There's no reason he'd have to admit any of that. At most, he'd have to admit he had sex with his mother. I think it would be very manageable for his lawyer to get him to do that.
 
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Michael Janke said:
...he's not the troon reincarnation of jesus and was using his healing powers on his mom. a plea deal would mean he has to acknowledge that fact. when a trial lets him theoretically fight it.
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The thing is, he already does acknowledge it. He doesn't for a moment seriously believe that he's Jesus or that he was healing Barb. He'd like that to be the case, but he knows it's not true. Chris knows full well that he's lying. It's just that he doesn't want to admit it. There's a good reason why thr CWCki has a lengthy article on Chris And Hypocrisy.
 
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