RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

[Random Internet Person]

This is why he did it, but instead of making Vernal a literally who that serves as nothing more than a red herring like in RWBY he has instead made her into a waste of an actual character, so as far as I see it he's actually failed harder.

But at least we have animation.

You think the delay of the new season is because of Arcane? Sure, budget, shenanigans, all that crap may have contributed, but the biggest factor had to have been what seasons 7 and 8 should have been in what is literally a video game adaptation done right. To top it off, with a nigh similar plot. Only done objectively better and more nuanced.

As soon as that shit hit, people weren't talking about Ironwood or Robyn Hillary, or even Yang petting her new bottom. Not Atlas or Mantle, or whatever the hell kind of name cities or kingdoms are called.

No. People were talking up a storm about Jynx, Violet, Jayce, Caitlyn and Ekko. About the conflict between Piltover and Zaun. About how the League started.

I think RT saw the writing on the wall and realized what they could have done to not fuck up their bread and butter until it started to mold something fierce.

Arcane might as well be distilled RWBY, while RWBY is dollar store Arcane.

I don’t know. League of Legends has always been bigger than RWBY, so of course Arcane would the big show on the block.

 

[Juan's Sombrero]

don’t know. League of Legends has always been bigger than RWBY, so of course Arcane would the big show on the block.

Oh wow, but RWBY fans and news articles always told me that it was a critically acclaimed global franchise. Could they have bullshited from the start?

 

[Juan's Sombrero]

which is fully doable

When pigs fly.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

When pigs fly.

I said doable, not likely.

 

[Chilson]

You think the delay of the new season is because of Arcane? Sure, budget, shenanigans, all that crap may have contributed, but the biggest factor had to have been what seasons 7 and 8 should have been in what is literally a video game adaptation done right. To top it off, with a nigh similar plot. Only done objectively better and more nuanced.

As soon as that shit hit, people weren't talking about Ironwood or Robyn Hillary, or even Yang petting her new bottom. Not Atlas or Mantle, or whatever the hell kind of name cities or kingdoms are called.

No. People were talking up a storm about Jynx, Violet, Jayce, Caitlyn and Ekko. About the conflict between Piltover and Zaun. About how the League started.

I think RT saw the writing on the wall and realized what they could have done to not fuck up their bread and butter until it started to mold something fierce.

Arcane might as well be distilled RWBY, while RWBY is dollar store Arcane.

Your putting FAR too much thought into this. RWBY is not even a single percent of a percent as popular as Arcane, even during its absolute height it would have only come up to Arcane's shins. No one was talking about RWBY because the few fans left hide away in discord servers away from the general public.

The delay is just the consequence of all of RT's other delaying tactics on its inevitable death finally catching up. The company is collapsing, fullstop. Otter media wants to sell them off, but can't find any buyers. The only management left are the rotten apples too autistic or too stubborn to move on.

Animators don't want to work there due to the bad rep they have developed. Fans are dropping RT in droves. Much like Activision Blizzard, the reputation of "every community member wants to work here" is over, I said it would be a miracle if they got to Season 10 a long time ago and I very much doubt it will happen. At least with RT as it is (meaning without a major shakeup) at the head.

 

[SheerHeartAttack]

God imagine if RWBY just stops after Season 8 without an ending. A friend of mine had doubts about season 9 becoming a thing, but I told them that since this was RT's bread and butter they'd keep making them as long as possible. However given what's going on he could actually be right about this. The only thing I'm wondering is how RT itself will dissolve? I'm not sure how a subsidiary of somebody else going bankrupt would work out.

 

[Decepticon Spy]

But at least we have animation.

This is literally ripped from a cheesy South American Soap Opera. They really went all out on every major character death cliché and tropes on this one too. They really want to peddle you how sad this scene is, sad music, character crying, moments of flashbacks and what-could've-beens, BE SAD. Literally Penny and Pyrrha's deaths in V3 had more impact than this shit without the need to drag it on like that.

Deaths scenes should ideally be short but the sting lingers within the story and the audience. The audience should be haunted by the knowledge that this character could've shifted the story greatly but now they're gone, and the stakes just got higher and/or the following plot points get incredibly tense because the audience are now assuming the worst. In other words; the writer should utilize the small voice inside the back of the audience's heads against them.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

God imagine if RWBY just stops after Season 8 without an ending. A friend of mine had doubts about season 9 becoming a thing, but I told them that since this was RT's bread and butter they'd keep making them as long as possible. However given what's going on he could actually be right about this. The only thing I'm wondering is how RT itself will dissolve? I'm not sure how a subsidiary of somebody else going bankrupt would work out.

Rooster Teeth is an LLC, which essentially means that all of the value of the company is tied up in it's own business cash reserves and physical property. If RT falls into bankruptcy it will only affect RT since most countries in the world acknowledge that a parent company and its subsidiaries are independent entities in terms of assets and legal entity status. Essentially the law realizes that there exists a legal veil between these two entities, also called “the corporate veil”. It is generally a good idea to allow a subsidiary company to fall into bankruptcy since it effectively allows the parent to company to wash their hands of the failing brand, and the LLC status of RT makes it even better since an LLC has limited liability.

For those of you who may not know this "Limited Liability" in a business sense means that a person's financial liability is limited to a fixed sum, most commonly the value of a person's investment in a corporation, company or partnership. If a company that provides limited liability to its investors is sued or goes bankrupt, then the claimants are generally entitled to collect only against the assets of the company, not the assets of its shareholders or other investors.

 

[Random Internet Person]

This is literally ripped from a cheesy South American Soap Opera. They really went all out on every major character death cliché and tropes on this one too. They really want to peddle you how sad this scene is, sad music, character crying, moments of flashbacks and what-could've-beens, BE SAD. Literally Penny and Pyrrha's deaths in V3 had more impact than this shit without the need to drag it on like that.

Deaths scenes should ideally be short but the sting lingers within the story and the audience. The audience should be haunted by the knowledge that this character could've shifted the story greatly but now they're gone, and the stakes just got higher and/or the following plot points get incredibly tense because the audience are now assuming the worst. In other words; the writer should utilize the small voice inside the back of the audience's heads against them.

I don’t think I have the words to describe how proud the Fixing RWBY team is of everything they did involving Vernal.

 

[Xenomorphs Are Cute]

I don’t know. League of Legends has always been bigger than RWBY, so of course Arcane would the big show on the block.

I'm not into LoL at all, the last thing I remember about it was that their latest new character was a twitch thot called Seraphina or something (or was that DOTA?). Edit: Her name is Seraphine & she is indeed in LoL.

Yet I loved Arcane, everything was great & the 9 hrs spent watching it actually felt like the time was worth it. The only critique I can find is Violet's design, the game design is much better, fuck that side-shaved shit.

I've been into RWBY for a much longer time & since V5, I'm only watching it to laugh at the shitshow & see where this dumpster fire goes.

Arcane is good on it's own to the point where you don't need to be into LoL at all to understand it. Not needing homework to watch something is alone a pro quality in my book.

 

[Rhymes 19]

This is literally ripped from a cheesy South American Soap Opera. They really went all out on every major character death cliché and tropes on this one too. They really want to peddle you how sad this scene is, sad music, character crying, moments of flashbacks and what-could've-beens, BE SAD. Literally Penny and Pyrrha's deaths in V3 had more impact than this shit without the need to drag it on like that.

Deaths scenes should ideally be short but the sting lingers within the story and the audience. The audience should be haunted by the knowledge that this character could've shifted the story greatly but now they're gone, and the stakes just got higher and/or the following plot points get incredibly tense because the audience are now assuming the worst. In other words; the writer should utilize the small voice inside the back of the audience's heads against them.

I don’t think I have the words to describe how proud the Fixing RWBY team is of everything they did involving Vernal.

Fun fact about that track, Raymond specifically told me to slow down the end just so he could do something like this. After I was kicked off, it's the only song he kept aside from the opening. A part of me wants to hold some pride in that, since it implies he couldn't find anything better for the job after replacing everything else with FF music. But at the same time, it sucks knowing that a piece I'm really proud of was used to beat BE SAD over the audience's head. Vernal in FRWBY has the same exact role in the plot and dies in the exact same place, except this time she got something of a personality added so she can stupid and a giant waste. FRWBY Vernal barely even got a personality besides being shipbait for Weiss. The team thinks they created the second coming of the girl from Bridge To Terebithia when in reality I've seen more powerful death scenes in Paper Mario games.

And their fans agree with them, they're all crying over it and I ever got comments on my music that said stuff like "RIP Vernal." These people who claim to be high-brow media critics still fell for the a trite, cliche, and melodramatic death scene. I know I've said it before, but if Raymond loves Final Fantasy so much, he should've taken more cues from it. Aerith's death didn't sadden me in and of itself, the actual gut punch was seeing Tifa's reaction if she's in your party: she kneels down, touches Aerith's face, and runs off sobbing. It lasts all of 10 seconds. There's no flashbacks or sad piano music (Aerith's theme, surprisingly, is written in D major). You're just feeling the real-time pain of someone in mourning. It's still an overblown and melodramatic scene, but that little bit got to me. If Raymond truly wanted that kind of effect, he'd have Raven be the one to break down, because that's her daughter, and seeing that kind of character break would actually hurt because we understand the kind of relationship a mother and daughter would have, even if the mother is Raven. Yang didn't even have a conversation with Vernal, so she's just sad over some vague concept of "what could've been" and that's why it feels trite. Even Weiss isn't particularly affected. He just wanted that Yang flashback scene that badly.

As an aside, I don't know why we're discussing Arcane. It's in a different realm. It's like comparing Gumby to Coraline. It's really unfair, too. LoL was able to give an animation studio 6 years and like 80M euros. RT doesn't have anywhere near that. Plus, I wouldn't say Arcane's plot is just "better RWBY" because it's not exactly an uncommon story. Wow, the futuristic city has class issues. Breaking new ground here, I'm sure Rooster Teeth is losing sleep at night over it. Seriously, this is like trying to drop a sick own on a peewee baseball team by saying they can't play like the Los Angeles Dodgers.

 

[Juan's Sombrero]

I'm not into LoL at all, the last thing I remember about it was that their latest new character was a twitch thot called Seraphina or something (or was that DOTA?). Edit: Her name is Seraphine & she is indeed in LoL.

Yet I loved Arcane, everything was great & the 9 hrs spent watching it actually felt like the time was worth it. The only critique I can find is Violet's design, the game design is much better, fuck that side-shaved shit.

I've been into RWBY for a much longer time & since V5, I'm only watching it to laugh at the shitshow & see where this dumpster fire goes.

Arcane is good on it's own to the point where you don't need to be into LoL at all to understand it. Not needing homework to watch something is alone a pro quality in my book.

"Not true, hater! Educate yourself on RT Twitter so you can see how absolutely magnificent and brilliant RWBY is with its subtlety and nuance!" lol fuck you!

RWBY stans, basically.

 

[Decepticon Spy]

Fun fact about that track, Raymond specifically told me to slow down the end just so he could do something like this. After I was kicked off, it's the only song he kept aside from the opening. A part of me wants to hold some pride in that, since it implies he couldn't find anything better for the job after replacing everything else with FF music. But at the same time, it sucks knowing that a piece I'm really proud of was used to beat BE SAD over the audience's head. Vernal in FRWBY has the same exact role in the plot and dies in the exact same place, except this time she got something of a personality added so she can stupid and a giant waste. FRWBY Vernal barely even got a personality besides being shipbait for Weiss. The team thinks they created the second coming of the girl from Bridge To Terebithia when in reality I've seen more powerful death scenes in Paper Mario games.

And their fans agree with them, they're all crying over it and I ever got comments on my music that said stuff like "RIP Vernal." These people who claim to be high-brow media critics still fell for the a trite, cliche, and melodramatic death scene. I know I've said it before, but if Raymond loves Final Fantasy so much, he should've taken more cues from it. Aerith's death didn't sadden me in and of itself, the actual gut punch was seeing Tifa's reaction if she's in your party: she kneels down, touches Aerith's face, and runs off sobbing. It lasts all of 10 seconds. There's no flashbacks or sad piano music (Aerith's theme, surprisingly, is written in D major). You're just feeling the real-time pain of someone in mourning. It's still an overblown and melodramatic scene, but that little bit got to me. If Raymond truly wanted that kind of effect, he'd have Raven be the one to break down, because that's her daughter, and seeing that kind of character break would actually hurt because we understand the kind of relationship a mother and daughter would have, even if the mother is Raven. Yang didn't even have a conversation with Vernal, so she's just sad over some vague concept of "what could've been" and that's why it feels trite. Even Weiss isn't particularly affected. He just wanted that Yang flashback scene that badly.

I'm confident on my assumption that Raymond never bothered on analyzing or let alone consume any media that does not involve action scenes, gratuitous spectacle, or two girls making out, and that's the main reason why he fails spectacularly to understand even the most barebones fundamentals when it comes to writing let alone managing a web-series. He also seem to assume that his audience have the mental capacity of five year olds (but judging by all those comment screenshots and the artistic abilities of SH they might as well be.) because he oh so loves spoon-feeding them the obvious or overwhelming amounts of infodumps that border on characters themselves telling you the plot-point outright.

As an aside, I don't know why we're discussing Arcane. It's in a different realm. It's like comparing Gumby to Coraline. It's really unfair, too. LoL was able to give an animation studio 6 years and like 80M euros. RT doesn't have anywhere near that. Plus, I wouldn't say Arcane's plot is just "better RWBY" because it's not exactly an uncommon story. Wow, the futuristic city has class issues. Breaking new ground here, I'm sure Rooster Teeth is losing sleep at night over it. Seriously, this is like trying to drop a sick own on a peewee baseball team by saying they can't play like the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Originality lies in the execution rather than concept, that's why Arcane feels like it's own thing and a breath of fresh air despite the concept being nothing new, while RWBY feels like an overbearing and unoriginal Cliché storm. Plus if Rooster Teeth thinks that RWBY is a revolutionary masterpiece that shakes the status quo, (oh wow, another similarity with Raymond and FRWBY, who would've guessed.) then it's only fair criticism that it gets compared to Arcane. It's more like comparing a hack like Jamie Oliver with an actual 5-star chef like Gordon Ramsey.

 

[Juan's Sombrero]

As an aside, I don't know why we're discussing Arcane. It's in a different realm. It's like comparing Gumby to Coraline. It's really unfair, too. LoL was able to give an animation studio 6 years and like 80M euros. RT doesn't have anywhere near that. Plus, I wouldn't say Arcane's plot is just "better RWBY" because it's not exactly an uncommon story. Wow, the futuristic city has class issues. Breaking new ground here, I'm sure Rooster Teeth is losing sleep at night over it. Seriously, this is like trying to drop a sick own on a peewee baseball team by saying they can't play like the Los Angeles Dodgers.

With just how much RWBY stans keep bragging to death about how absolutely "awesome" and "revolutionary" RWBY is (it is literally a watered down fanfiction of Avatar the Last Airbender and Final Fantasy), it is entirely fair to compare the two.

The premise is unoriginal, but like what @Decepticon Spy mentioned, the execution is what makes or breaks that. Arcane made it. RWBY broke it.

 

[Rhymes 19]

I'm confident on my assumption that Raymond never bothered on analyzing or let alone consume any media that does not involve action scenes, gratuitous spectacle, or two girls making out, and that's the main reason why he fails spectacularly to understand even the most barebones fundamentals when it comes to writing let alone managing a web-series.

Reminds me of this exchange

I've never even watched Madoka and I know he somehow missed the entire point of it. It's like saying you were glad you finally found a fanfic for Saving Private Ryan that explains the horrors of war.

 

[Decepticon Spy]

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I've never even watched Madoka and I know he someone missed the entire point of it. It's like saying you were glad you finally found a fanfic for Saving Private Ryan that explains the horrors of war.

Jesus, his cumbrain really does get the best of him. It's like seeing Jerry Freeman bitch about Puella Magi for not having enough worldbuilding. both entirely missed the series' main premise due to their flavour of retardation. Homura's love for Madoka is platonic, author said so, and the sole reason she went through hell is so she can prevent ALL of her friends, specially Madoka, from a fate that they were unknowingly put in and succumbing to death and despair, because they're the best thing that happened to her life and she'll do anything to protect them. The entire point of the series itself is all about dealing with despair, some succumb to it (witches), some want overcome it (Madoka), and some come to terms with it (Homura), it's literally plastered all over the series; as a plot device, a theme, and a driver for character development, you have to be a massive fucking retard to even miss it and my golly did both Raymond and Jerry manage to surpass my expectations on sheer internet stupidity.

 

[Dumpster dived waifu]

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I've never even watched Madoka and I know he someone missed the entire point of it. It's like saying you were glad you finally found a fanfic for Saving Private Ryan that explains the horrors of war.

What the fuck is he talking about?

 

[Rhymes 19]

Jesus, his cumbrain really does get the best of him. It's like seeing Jerry Freeman bitch about Puella Magi for not having enough worldbuilding. both entirely missed the series' main premise due to their flavour of retardation. Homura's love for Madoka is platonic, author said so, and the sole reason she went through hell is so she can prevent ALL of her friends, specially Madoka, from a fate that they were unknowingly put in and succumbing to death and despair, because they're the best thing that happened to her life and she'll do anything to protect them. The entire point of the series itself is all about dealing with despair, some succumb to it (witches), some want overcome it (Madoka), and some come to terms with it (Homura), it's literally plastered all over the series; as a plot device, a theme, and a driver for character development, you have to be a massive fucking retard to even miss it and my golly did both Raymond and Jerry manage to surpass my expectations on sheer internet stupidity.

So it is about "divine beings suffering from a number of trauma related illnesses XD" and he just missed all of it somehow. That certainly explains why his Madoka fanfic I mean published novel is about teen girls sobbing over romance or whatever. His idea of angst always goes back to that, more specifically the initial rush of falling in love. Relationship angst with him is never from issues that crop up in the long-term, it's always in that period of "omg, we had drunk sex and we're not dating!!!" or "this is causing problems because I wanted to date her and now I can't!!!" Any other issues can only appear to him if they're related to that context. It trumps all. I remembered this excerpt where someone's mother says her daughter's girlfriend is better at comforting her daughter than she is .

Spoiler: Bonus: edit

 

[Mega Black]

Not in the sense that it's a RWBY fanfic, but in the sense that they made the same mistakes by keeping the same story beats and the same writing flaws.

This always really stuck out to me, way back when he was doing the first volume. Celtic's defense was that he wanted to keep as much of it as he could for... reasons? Like a personal challenge or something, but it's stupid because you are fundamentally changing things, just not the serious core writing flaws that have sunk the show as a whole. He doesn't cut what needs cut, he just piles more shit into the septic tank.

Okay, sure, you gave some things a bit more screen time and added some (alleged) character development, but that doesn't really make the story better. It smacks more like he's just too lazy, or maybe insecure, to move beyond the fanfic writer's mindset of getting to play with somebody else's toys.

Wasn't hid book just a Madoka fanfic with the proper nouns switched? Dude doesn't seem like he has any confidence in really coming up with new ideas that are all his own.

 

[Rhymes 19]

Wasn't hid book just a Madoka fanfic with the proper nouns switched? Dude doesn't seem like he has any confidence in really coming up with new ideas that are all his own.

It is, there's even a couple points where he forgot to file off the serial numbers.

This last one is a biggest excerpt because I want all of you to have to look at "niggling."

This always really stuck out to me, way back when he was doing the first volume. Celtic's defense was that he wanted to keep as much of it as he could for... reasons? Like a personal challenge or something, but it's stupid because you are fundamentally changing things, just not the serious core writing flaws that have sunk the show as a whole. He doesn't cut what needs cut, he just piles more shit into the septic tank.

I think it's an excuse that lets him explain away all his weird choices. "Oh, I had to keep this because it's part of the show." "Oh, I could cut this because it doesn't affect the show in my mind.