Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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Watched the markiplier video up to the end of the first Gen - it wasn’t that interesting, really.
Best bit was his reaction to the bell sprout line.
Bellsprout: serious thought, decides to pass.
Weepinbell: even deeper thought, decides to smash.
Victreebell: takes one look at the teeth and yells Pass as quick as he can.
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It gets a bit more entertaining when he passes Gen 1, because Gen 1 is the only one he’s familiar with, so you also see his initial reaction to some Pokémon.
 
Hey, guys, I have been lurking for a long time and I will say my story I will spoiler it though because it's a long stream of consciousness but there will be sections. Thank you in advance for reading and the subsequent conversations

Like a lot of people in the thread, I have been a long-time fan since before day one. I heard of the game through family living in the region visiting Europe and my cousin said to buy that game it's great and it's like Shin Megami Tensei. I loved that series so was excited and fell in love instantly. I have purchased every single game except sun and moon ultra because fuck that game.

I am a massive TCG player and it was my first game but Yu Gi Oh was my passion, the complicated rules and archetypal design made for a much more engaging game. I revisited the TCG in 2014 and was one of the first players to create the Gardevoir EX deck and had very good success in the game. Unfortunately unlike YGO, Pokemon TCG creates its own power creep when unwanted because the EX format was incredibly diverse but then set design took a nosedive at the GX period. The set design here was bloated, commons and rares did nothing and only some rares and some gx mattered. This too brought along Rainbow and secret rares making a massive setlist making collecting very difficult and pointless.

YGO regulates itself through set design and banlists and players getting interested in different archetypes but the 2/3 prize pokemon was a blight on the game. Decks become spam items and play a supporter like Marnie or Sycamore and there is no interaction. To this day there is no interaction, the game is basically holo card solitaire. The TCG has such a structure that local communities just disappear overnight and the Tag Team format fucking nuked local playgroups. I have been through the entirety of YGO and MTG and have never seen a mechanic decimate groups like Tag Team did. You were playing large cities or GTFO and large city groups are pretty toxic. They are very money orientated and don't really care about the game. Deck variance is non-existent and it's like playing solitaire.

The Pokemon TCG as a game is in a really hard place because so many actual players left during tag format and they sold collections and migrated games. The game is pretty much for collectors now and with PTCGO being so slow to release in-person events a lot of people left for yu gi oh too because the in-person play has been back for a while now since September in Europe. The game set design-wise is at the worst it's been baiting collectors and not actual players. Every 2 or so set becomes chase the Charizard or other iconic boring pokemon and it's rinse repeat. Set designs are at almost if not 300+ now and when compared to other games that are like 100 or 150.

Deck design too is at it's worst with nothing intuitive and again it's like solitaire. How can you be a TCG if there is no response, you aren't a game at that point.

I could type multiple theses' on the games and what has been and what will be but ultimately Game Freak is so fucking lazy with pokemon at this point it is detrimental to the success of the game. SW/SH was an abomination in game design and had so many issues, it would be repeating. They are designing games like they were for the DS. They design it if you are a first-time player, Sun. Moon had a 6 hour fucking tutorial for a 20-year-old franchise.

I WANT to love Arceus but I simply can't, technologically there are so many issues that stop me from loving the game. There is hope because I hope this is the design going forward. The game is too bogged down with story though, it uses long drawn-out dialogue about x or y that is unimportant to pad. I hate this as I notice games do it a lot especially Japanese games. The ranks were essentially a way of gating and forcing busy work and I stopped playing at the Liligant mission. The Kleavor mission was boring, you throw balm and win but I am optimistic.

The problem with the pokemon community and not this board is that it's full of toxic positivity and built on denial. Creators are petrified of saying the game is bad because it hits their dowry. A community like that lives in denial and will eventually implode because creators will come to a realization bit by bit that it's happening. The pokemon community on Youtube is borderline trash at this point too with creators saying nebulous game theory, vgc, tcg content or just being an outright deviant and being shamed/borderline.
 
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I’m legit curious now, what do you mean by 6 hour tutorial in Sun and Moon? Is that how long you think the first island is? It’s not, it takes at most 2 hours. If you mean the first 4 trials then you might as well say the first 3 gyms in Sword and Shield are a tutorial too.
 
If there’s a designated Alpha spawn, it can be very easy to get a shiny Alpha so long as you have patience.

Also, there’s this odd glitch when warping to the second camp in the ice level where sometimes the game will just hard crash. I don’t know if it’s tied to time of day or what, but it’s happened enough times for it to clear by some kind of bug.
 
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i'm now at the alabaster icelands, and i'm at star rank 8, and i only just realized that rock smash has utility in the overworld because it BREAKS (specific) ROCKS. so i'm retarded, obviously.

i caught a shiny tangrowth in one of the dimensional rifts, so that happened. also while pissing about in the rifts i managed to run into two more alpha sylveon. i have not seen any other alpha eeveelution, except sylveon. it's fucking weird.

so i'm leaning toward evolving scyther into kleavor, if only because scizor is a regular appearance in the alabaster icelands rifts. i don't /love/ bug/rock typing, but it'll do, i guess.

oh, also, i found all of the fucking wisps. it was not a fun time, especially since i've been collecting them as i've run into them, so when i came up short i had to check a guide and it fucking SUUUUUUUUCKED. i've never used spiritomb before, but i might replace alakazam with it, since i realized far too late that a nornal alakazam CANNOT EVER LEARN PSYCHIC. or at least mine can't? which makes its strongest special psychic move confusion, and that's just bulllllllshit.

edit: my alakazam does indeed know psychic I am dumb
 
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i'm now at the alabaster icelands, and i'm at star rank 8, and i only just realized that rock smash has utility in the overworld because it BREAKS (specific) ROCKS. so i'm retarded, obviously.

i caught a shiny tangrowth in one of the dimensional rifts, so that happened. also while pissing about in the rifts i managed to run into two more alpha sylveon. i have not seen any other alpha eeveelution, except sylveon. it's fucking weird.

so i'm leaning toward evolving scyther into kleavor, if only because scizor is a regular appearance in the alabaster icelands rifts. i don't /love/ bug/rock typing, but it'll do, i guess.

oh, also, i found all of the fucking wisps. it was not a fun time, especially since i've been collecting them as i've run into them, so when i came up short i had to check a guide and it fucking SUUUUUUUUCKED. i've never used spiritomb before, but i might replace alakazam with it, since i realized far too late that a nornal alakazam CANNOT EVER LEARN PSYCHIC. or at least mine can't? which makes its strongest special psychic move confusion, and that's just bulllllllshit.
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You can’t teach Alakazam Psychic by taking it to the dojo?
 
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NOPE. i know the game mentions that alpha pokemon may have rare moves, but fuck you, psychic shouldn't be considered a rare move ON AN ALAKAZAM.
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Alakazam learns Psychic at level 43. unless it is below that level, it should have it already if you go to swap out its moves in the menu. And when they say "rare moves", it just means they know moves from the tutor at the dojo without having to pay for it out of your pocket(and they're already mastered so no need to use a Seed of Mastery up)

EDIT: I should also point out that, due to how the damage formulas work in the game, that the actual attacking stats barely matter at all. The grit levels added to the stat, the base power and type effectiveness of the move being used, and the defensive stats of the target determine most of the damage, so even if you aren't level 43 yet Zen Headbutt's damage in this game would be barely different from Psychic's despite the difference in Alakazam's Attack and Special Attack. Also means that Alakazam can use the elemental punches for type coverage just fine in this game, too(Also allows stuff like Gyarados being able to use Hurricane and Overqwil Dark Pulse with little worry about their low Special Attack).

Also means that natures that boost either offensive stat, like Adamant and Modest, are almost completely mechanically worthless in Legends as well. Ones that boost Defense, Special Defense or Speed and lower Attack or Special Attack are better for pretty much every species in this game, since their impact in battles would be far more significant.
 
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Alakazam learns Psychic at level 43. unless it is below that level, it should have it already if you go to swap out its moves in the menu. And when they say "rare moves", it just means they know moves from the tutor at the dojo without having to pay for it out of your pocket(and they're already mastered so no need to use a Seed of Mastery up)

EDIT: I should also point out that, due to how the damage formulas work in the game, that the actual attacking stats barely matter at all. The grit levels added to the stat, the base power and type effectiveness of the move being used, and the defensive stats of the target determine most of the damage, so even if you aren't level 43 yet Zen Headbutt's damage in this game would be barely different from Psychic's despite the difference in Alakazam's Attack and Special Attack. Also means that Alakazam can use the elemental punches for type coverage just fine in this game, too(Also allows stuff like Gyarados being able to use Hurricane and Overqwil Dark Pulse with little worry about their low Special Attack).

Also means that natures that boost either offensive stat, like Adamant and Modest, are almost completely mechanically worthless in Legends as well. Ones that boost Defense, Special Defense or Speed and lower Attack or Special Attack are better for pretty much every species in this game, since their impact in battles would be far more significant.
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...oh wow I'm all sorts of retarded. I never bothered to check its already-learned moves.

also I didn't realize how useless natures and shit were this time around.

so like 10 minutes ago I encountered a shiny kricketot that ended up fleeing into the grass. minutes later I run into a shiny wurmple. it's like the game knows I suck and it threw a pity shiny at me.
 
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Massively Strong Greed said:
Don’t understand what’s wrong with my luck, I’ve beaten the game and not encountered a single shiny besides the guaranteed Ponyta.
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a combination of luck and not having a life.

I was in the crimson mirelands and I heard the shiny noise and I couldn't for the life of me find it. and then I saw it - a green tangela. motherfucker kinda blended in. now I have a shiny tangela and shiny tangrowth.
 
The game still feels incomplete and empty for the most part, but... I'm pleasantly surprised I guess. Its not perfect and still needs more content, and it has quite a number of issues (especially the awful boss fights), but it fixes so many other things and removes so many annoying mechanics I always hated (although its kind of mute considering the lack of online play) that I really hope they stick and they add more improvements to future games or dlc. The graphics mods also helped to make the landscape way more pleasant and less lifeless which makes me wonder why GF didn't do it like this in the first place while modders were able to improve on the visuals in less than a week.
I only hope GF adds a more vibrant world with these fixed issues and more features for the next game along with making breeding eggs and raising porkymen less annoying and more immersive. That and they remember to add methods to bring pokemon in from older games and allow you to catch every pokemon again. Because the 3DS getting fucked and online stores continuing to be short lived scamfests, are just gonna make this crap even more annoying.

Overall, probably the only game I've shown interest in since B&W, just wish it wasn't so empty or drab looking and that this hopefully means they'll never do anything like Swish or XY again, but that seems to optimistic. But the little things are appreciated along with the throwbacks to obscure lore.
 
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Massively Strong Greed said:
Anyone know a working tradebot for Legends Arceus? Fucking shiny Sliggoo escaped after breaking out of 2 Ultra Balls.
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my condolences, for real. the goomy line is a neat line and i'd probably have used a shiny sliggoo, so it's a shame that it got away. :C

but usually once you find one shiny, you'll start seeing them way more often than one would expect. sure, most of them will probably be pokemon you'll never use, but whatever.

also i know nothing of any tradebots, soz.
 
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Lurker said:
my condolences, for real. the goomy line is a neat line and i'd probably have used a shiny sliggoo, so it's a shame that it got away. :c

but usually once you find one shiny, you'll start seeing them way more often than one would expect. sure, most of them will probably be pokemon you'll never use, but whatever.

also i know nothing of any tradebots, soz.
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If I can get another similar outbreak I’ll probably be fine.
 
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Anyone know a working tradebot for Legends Arceus? Fucking shiny Sliggoo escaped after breaking out of 2 Ultra Balls.
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Always ALWAYS save when you see a shiny and turn off auto save. The way the game works, the shiny will always reappear if you have to soft reset.
 
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