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Compositesludge said:
So another thing I've been seeing online regarding Trump's interview is this quote:

Was this Trump legitimating Putin's tactics by saying we should replicate it on the Southern border? I did the unthinkable and actually found/read the full transcript of the interview to determine the answer. Immediately following that quote, Trump clarifies.

Just like we discussed earlier, he's explicitly not saying Putin's actions are good! Just that they were an intelligent curveball that the Biden administration had no answer for, and that he would have shut down had he been in office. True to Trump form, he doesn't do it immediately, but he also does clarify his Southern border comments:

He's not saying that we should declare a big portion of Mexico independent and go in to keep peace, he's saying that the Biden administration should commit to American safety by dedicating more than a symbolic amount of resources to ensuring American security. Maybe not tanks on the Southern border, but resources enough to ensure that we can safely maintain it.

There's quite a bit more to the interview, I included the link above so you can check it out, but those comments about Trump wishing he could be Putin or whatever just aren't substantiated by the interview.
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So they took what he said out of context. AGAIN.
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Genuine question for the pundits out there.

If shit goes south, and a conflict really breaks, does that help Biden and the dems politically, as in in a extreme time of war the voters will help the president party to retain the houses so a more concise effort will be made towards the conflict?

Or will this potential war only worse Biden's approval for a perceived missguided interference and the subsequent rise in gas prices that it will come?

In short, will this save Biden's presidency and the Dems control, or will it doom it? Or it will be a nothing burger?
 
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Bolo said:
Genuine question for the pundits out there.

If shit goes south, and a conflict really breaks, does that help Biden and the dems politically, as in in a extreme time of war the voters will help the president party to retain the houses so a more concise effort will be made towards the conflict?

Or will this potential war only worse Biden's approval for a perceived missguided interference and the subsequent rise in gas prices that it will come?

In short, will this save Biden's presidency and the Dems control, or will it doom it? Or it will be a nothing burger?
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You don't need pundits to see that this isn't even a partisan issue, literally no one wants to go to war.
The republicans don't want to die for Raytheon/Biden, and liberals are disingenuous fucks who want other people to die but not themselves specifically - they'll chickenhawk until they get sent to ukraine. Even the Politicians don't want to, hence the half-assed sanctions and Political chin-wagging.

And the Hunter-Biden shit was a minefield set in place, people will know we're going specifically for shit like that, no matter how hard they deny reality itself.
Like sure, military personnel will still go to war and shit, army conditioning/training/idgaffightme doesn't let them no do that. But goddamn will the demoralization of the Military Industrial Complex be glorious - specially if we somehow end up in Siberia (no I don't know the geography, don't lecture me. idgaf).
 
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Bolo said:
Genuine question for the pundits out there.

If shit goes south, and a conflict really breaks, does that help Biden and the dems politically, as in in a extreme time of war the voters will help the president party to retain the houses so a more concise effort will be made towards the conflict?

Or will this potential war only worse Biden's approval for a perceived missguided interference and the subsequent rise in gas prices that it will come?

In short, will this save Biden's presidency and the Dems control, or will it doom it? Or it will be a nothing burger?
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It is not going to be a big war and no one is interested in sending their young men to go and die in a ditch for some corrupt shithole that no one cares about like ukraine. There might be some big political pondering and some sanctions that look big on paper but are toothless and not really going to have much impact.
Europe is not going to send any troops, they can like it or not but europe is completely dependent on russian gas for their energy base for for at least several more decades, until they can restructure their energy mix. They are definitely not going to turn off the power and destroy germanys manufacturing base and industry and have people freeze to death in their appartments next winter just to "save" a corrupt shithole like ukraine. Strong and stern words but no action.
If there would be any action it would rather be if Biden wants to get adventurous and use european airspace for some missions, at which point europe would close their airspace to the us and deny them access, thus destroying nato in the process. Like it or not but Russia is a lot more important to europe than Biden is.
Europe and Biden have vastly different interests here, which is why the US has been sidelined and not even invited to any of the discussions with ukraine and russia in the last few weeks. If biden tries to push things to far he risks completely alienating us from their european nato allies.
And Trump was the guy that caused frictions within nato. lol.

For biden and democrats. Well, this is the second time when Biden is in the white house that Russia has annexed part of ukraine under his watch.
He looks incredibly weak and his attempts to look strong and "I went toe to toe with Putin and told him what we are gonna do if he invades" just looks clownish right now. Biden huffed and puffed and Putin just humored him to accept a summit and then went on to annex those regions anyway.
It really makes Biden, and in extension the US and the Democrats, like a weak force you can just ignore and push around.
It will absolutely hurt him and the democrats politically in domestic us politics. No one likes when their country and leader are made to look like a toothless fool on the world stage.
 
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derpherp2 said:
You don't need pundits to see that this isn't even a partisan issue, literally no one wants to go to war.
The republicans don't want to die for Raytheon/Biden, and liberals are disingenuous fucks who want other people to die but not themselves specifically - they'll chickenhawk until they get sent to ukraine. Even the Politicians don't want to, hence the half-assed sanctions and Political chin-wagging.
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^This, and I can't help but feel like most of us are kind of....over war these days. At least here in the U.S. I don't know if this is a controversial angle or whatever, but the U.S. has been at war for about 225 years total and it kind of feels like all of the glory has been bleached out of it. The increased awareness of PTSD and the other psychological and physical casualties of war, plus the frequently poor conditions of post-war life for veterans, definitely serves to take a lot of the shine out of the concept.
 
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Vyse Inglebard said:
^This, and I can't help but feel like most of us are kind of....over war these days. At least here in the U.S. I don't know if this is a controversial angle or whatever, but the U.S. has been at war for about 225 years total and it kind of feels like all of the glory has been bleached out of it. The increased awareness of PTSD and the other psychological and physical casualties of war, plus the frequently poor conditions of post-war life for veterans, definitely serves to take a lot of the shine out of the concept.
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The problem isnt that someone wants a war, it's that our politicians are so inept they might accidentally us into a full-scale war regardless.
Like for example, see how heavyhanded Canada got just from protests. I don't expect their sabre rattling to be any more subtle.
And now, compare the Afghanistan evacuation and convert that to whatever shit we need to do to pressure Russia. We're prolly going to magically pressure them INTO invading Ukraine since we proved their paranoia right.
 
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Potatoherder said:
I know they are in their bubble but the spin is so transparent nobody but the most hardcore believers will buy it. People have been noticing inflation for 4+ months and just last month the admin was claiming this was the best economy ever.
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Correct. But that won't stop them from using it as the excuse and refusing to allow anyone else to put forth any alternate reality.

We know they're lying.
They know we know they're lying.
We know they know we know they're lying.
But they're still lying.

And worse, there are idiots out there who think it's impossible for them to be lied to.
 
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On the whole Russia business, it's hilarious that even though Russia are clearly not the good guys here, the US and Biden especially, have managed to piss away so much goodwill from the general public that absolutely nobody gives a fuck and some people are actively defending Russia.

US foreign politics since 2000 have been an epic disaster.
 
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Potatoherder said:
I know they are in their bubble but the spin is so transparent nobody but the most hardcore believers will buy it. People have been noticing inflation for 4+ months and just last month the admin was claiming this was the best economy ever.
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What this means is that they expect it to get worse. Way worse. They don't go about acknowledging a problem until the denials are past parody.

They are steering into it. Hold the fuck on.
 
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ArthuriusMartyrius said:
On the whole Russia business, it's hilarious that even though Russia are clearly not the good guys here, the US and Biden especially, have managed to piss away so much goodwill from the general public that absolutely nobody gives a fuck and some people are actively defending Russia.

US foreign politics since 2000 have been an epic disaster.
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Why aren't Russia the good guys here? If all they do is have regions that are pro Russian be recognized as independent nations what's the problem here?
 
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