Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Hitman One]

We already did this. Its called Japan. They fucked with one of our military bases so we cleansed and entire ocean of them, then firebombed their cities and glassed 2 others.

Same shit, different slant.

You cannot seriously believe that the US will nuke Russia. You could kill every single Vatnik and the Dead Hand system would still launch all their silo based ICBMs before the SLBMs launched shortly afterwards.

This isn't 1945 when the US was the only country with a big button with "PRESS TO WIN WAR" printed on it.

 

[Glowie Hunter Art Bell]

You cannot seriously believe that the US will nuke Russia. You could kill every single Vatnik and the Dead Hand system would still launch all their silo based ICBMs before the SLBMs launched shortly afterwards.

This isn't 1945 when the US was the only country with a big button with "PRESS TO WIN WAR" printed on it.

Where the fuck did I say we would nuke Russia?

Hell where did i suggest we nuke anyone?

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

this is a ludicrious statement. the only force on the entire eurasian continent that could possibly challenge the russian military on home turf is the chinese PLA, and china is absolutely not interested in that kind of adventure.

I was talking about a full on conventional war in Eastern Europe that involved NATO. They don't have the demographics to replace any young men that are lost so every casualty is a net loss for the whole population, they have less manpower than all 30 NATO countries combined. Against smaller neighboring states they definitely hold their own, however they cannot hold off any NATO force in Eastern Europe without suffering a massive loss of young men. World War II screwed Russia hard demographically, an Eastern European War would be just as bad if not worse considering Russia's demographic crisis now. (Assuming no nuclear weapons are used)

Also keep in mind that Ukraine is not Georgia or Armenia. It's got a population of 41 million people, it's got a large military, and it's the second biggest country in Eastern Europe. It's very likely on their own that they will be able to inflict heavy casualties against the Russian Federation and make the demographic crisis of Russia a bit worse with a loss or crippling of tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of young men.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

I think it all boils down to whether or or not the Turks gave Ukraine drones and trained them on how to use them. Also, do the Russians have similar drones? Because that is the new revolution in warfare.

I wouldn't count on the Turks to help Ukraine much. Erdogan is trying to play both sides to his own advantage, it seems. Note that Azerbaijan who is very close to Turkey just joined a security alliance with Russia, there's no way Erdogan did not sign off on that.

Azerbaijan, Russia sign Declaration on Allied Cooperation [UPDATE]

Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev and Russian President Vladimir Putin have signed a Declaration on “Allied Interaction between the Republic of Azerbaijan and the Russian Federation” in Moscow, Azertag reported on February 22.

www.azernews.az

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That's a great take, all my Russian friends definitely need to see this.

 

[UselessPieceOfShit]

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Have she seen Putin? He is prime example of multi culti, Finno-Ugric, Mongoloid breed of Russians. He is like 30% white. And if we apply one drop of blood rule, he is a proud Mongol, all right.

 

[Hitman One]

Where the fuck did I say we would nuke Russia?

You raised the example of Japan at the end of the war in the Pacific. Japan had no response to nuclear weapons, they were dropped because the only other option was a long, bloody and horrific campaign in the Japanese Home Islands.

The very specific circumstances then are not in place now and they never will be again. Paradoxically, nuclear weapons only exist to ensure that they will never be used. In a worst case scenario where there was a land war in Europe, nuclear weapons would not be an option because the reprisal would result in the apocalypse.

 

[Hitman One]

Have she seen Putin? He is prime example of multi culti, Finno-Ugric, Mongoloid breed of Russians. He is like 30% white. And if we apply one drop of blood rule, he is a proud Mongol, all right.

You forgot that he is also a manlet.

 

[Radical Cadre]

we can laugh (Russia give back our traditional lands)

I LIKE ME THOSE STARS AND STRIPES LOOKING PRETTY GOOD THERE YES THEY ARE

AND JAPAN BUDDY RIGHT NEXT DOOR. YES SIR. YES SIR.

 

[LaxerBRO]

We already did this. Its called Japan. They fucked with one of our military bases so we cleansed and entire ocean of them, then firebombed their cities and glassed 2 others.

Same shit, different slant.

How many American lives lost taking Okinawa?

50,000

Furthermore we had an ace up our sleeve with nukes, that advantage is gone. Russia has land based modern Integrated Air Defense System. So no more easy air strikes, we could use our stealths but those only work to a certain distance then they slowly become detectable.

This is not even addressing the cyber attack that will occur. I am guessing they could knock out several regional power grids and fuck over our financial institutions. It might only be for a week or so but that is enough time for most major cities to descend into anarchy.

All that for some Eastern European Niggers. Fuck that.

 

[Never Scored]

Where the fuck did I say we would nuke Russia?

Hell where did i suggest we nuke anyone?

I doesn't matter if the US nukes Russia or not. If the US goes to war with Russia and Putin feels his rule is threatened he will 100% push the button in an attempt to cling to power.

 

[cybertoaster]

Resend because quote issue.

I figured nukes are off the table here because ending the world isnt how you win a war.

The afghan bullshit was a decade in the making and so long as we left the saudis and iran intact, the taliban would return regardless.

I dont think we should enter Ukraine either. The US needs to quit being the world's police. However I'm well aware of the fact that if the US wanted a planet America tomorrow, it would happen and not much would stop it. But that will would obviously never happen.

As someone else said, almost all of this proxy war shit is for show. The next war between the superpowers will be in space. Not on earth.

You talk about political issues and yet ignore the treaties that ban war in space, stop talking out of your ass.

 

[Glowie Hunter Art Bell]

You raised the example of Japan at the end of the war in the Pacific. Japan had no response to nuclear weapons, they were dropped because the only other option was a long, bloody and horrific campaign in the Japanese Home Islands.

The very specific circumstances then are not in place now and they never will be again. Paradoxically, nuclear weapons only exist to ensure that they will never be used. In a worst case scenario where there was a land war in Europe, nuclear weapons would not be an option because the reprisal would result in the apocalypse.

You need to go back thru and read the thread. Japan was mentioned because we were discussing a hypothetical, classic style war with China.

I am opposed to US involvement in this to begin with

 

[Radical Cadre]

Here's the speech from the other day if anyone wants to watch it and listen to it. Maybe it was posted already. I dunno I wasn't here.

 

[Meat Target]

You talk about political issues and yet ignore the treaties that ban war in space, stop talking out of your ass.

"DRAT! A piece of paper has THWARTED us! Shucks! Blast! Phooey!"

 

[Glowie Hunter Art Bell]

You talk about political issues and yet ignore the treaties that ban war in space, stop talking out of your ass.

And the moment that space resources and tech become accessible, those treaties go out the window

 

[Return of the Freaker]

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[Never Scored]

You need to go back thru and read the thread. Japan was mentioned because we were discussing a hypothetical, classic style war with China.

There is never going to be a classic style war between nuclear powers that ends with one state conceding defeat and giving up power without at least a few nukes being launched. There is no need to argue semantics and split hairs more than that because it's retarded. A conventional war between Nuclear powers would result in the loser launching nukes from their version of Hitler's bunker. Why wouldn't they?

 

[Su-27 Flanker-B]

You need to go back thru and read the thread. Japan was mentioned because we were discussing a hypothetical, classic style war with China.

I am opposed to US involvement in this to begin with

And you took an example of using nuclear bombs against it, expecting it to go the same way as it did in 1945.

It will not. China has nukes, and if they were falling, they'd use them.

I honestly can't tell if you're trolling at this point.

 

[Glowie Hunter Art Bell]

And you took an example of using nuclear bombs against it, expecting it to go the same way as it did in 1945.

It will not. China has nukes, and if they were falling, they'd use them.

I honestly can't tell if you're trolling at this point.

I used Japan as an example to the fact that we already did Essentially what you mentioned. I never suggested we nuke them because a Hiroshima or Nagasaki isnt a viable strategy today. I just explained how we absolutely eviscerated Japan.

 

[Nobunaga]

And the moment that space resources and tech become accessible, those treaties go out the window

You can already weaponize space, just need to throw some satellites into your enemy's