Careercow Donald J Trump - 45th/47th President of the USA, convicted felon, Epstein bro, Putin simp, serial liar, sore loser, cheat and the Chris-Chan of Presidents. THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL DEBATE THREAD.

Frosty_Glass said:
Whenever he set up a fund to “fight and over turn” the 2020 election he said it was for legal fees, but it just went to straight into his pockets. Still don’t know why people keep giving him money
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Nobody wants to look like an idiot. So some of the people who voted for him double down MURICA NUMBER UNO


They are fucking retarded. End of story.
 
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AGPinochet said:
Trump is great for all the reasons you list as bad, he was a fucking awful president, a petulant geriatric child with an army of lunatic followers who committed crimes brazenly and frequently knowing full well that he was in the wrong and that he would never be Punished. You are probably asking yourself, why do I hold this position? The answer is that the American Government, the “Establishment“ is the most irredeemably Evil organization currently in the world and possibly in History. His blunders and failings are exactly why I love him. Once again he is also Hilarious.
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Sometimes Trump supporters stumble into a point that I could reasonably agree with.

Edit: While I think that this is hyperbolic, I certainly don’t disagree that the American government leans a lot more towards evil than good.
 
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EDIT: I am utterly convinced at this point that Trump thinks that losing 2020 is the worst thing to have happened to America
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I don't buy into this whole "Russia Collusion" bullshit, but good fucking lord, him schmoosing up to Putin in general and in this instance in particular is shameful.

Best parts about this:
1) Trump is blissfully unaware that Putin did exactly this three times already in the past 2 decades.
2) Trump outright praises it and completely ignores how this violates the most fundamental, basic international laws. The concept of national sovereignity specifically has been around since the mid 17th century.
3) Trump outright says that it's something the US should do with Mexico. The US has had a long history of getting involved in internal affairs in South America, but to state it this blatantly is just... whew. Lads. This is something else.

This position towards Putin's actions is a massive slap in the face of every eastern European NATO member, easily as bad as him publically musing that the US might decide not to come to help other NATO nations if they get attacked. Insinuating that the US should do the same with its neighbors is simply unacceptable.
All this shit only gets mitigated by him being a total has-been.

In one fell swoop, he managed to validate how politically inept he is. Everything I said about how atrocious his foreign policies are has been confirmed and he managed to find new lows even lower than what we thought was bedrock.

I also love that statment about how this would not have happened with him at the helm. Why? Dude outright questioned if the US should defend NATO nations in case of an attack. He did his best to get his army out of Europe (while of course thinking he'd still be in command and make demands). Now he praises Putin for how "savvy" he is. He would have done jack shit. Fuck me, he might have made a deal with Putin to not intervene in exchange for bottled russian hooker piss or something.

So yeah, pretty funny stuff, this little video.
 
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RomanesEuntDomus said:
I don't buy into this whole "Russia Collusion" bullshit, but good fucking lord, him schmoosing up to Putin in general and in this instance in particular is shameful.

Best parts about this:
1) Trump is blissfully unaware that Putin did exactly this three times already in the past 2 decades.
2) Trump outright praises it and completely ignores how this violates the most fundamental, basic international laws. The concept of national sovereignity specifically has been around since the mid 17th century.
3) Trump outright says that it's something the US should do with Mexico. The US has had a long history of getting involved in internal affairs in South America, but to state it this blatantly is just... whew. Lads. This is something else.

This position towards Putin's actions is a massive slap in the face of every eastern European NATO member, easily as bad as him publically musing that the US might decide not to come to help other NATO nations if they get attacked. Insinuating that the US should do the same with its neighbors is simply unacceptable.
All this shit only gets mitigated by him being a total has-been.

In one fell swoop, he managed to validate how politically inept he is. Everything I said about how atrocious his foreign policies are has been confirmed and he managed to find new lows even lower than what he thought was bedrock.

I also love that statment about how this would not have happened with him at the helm. Why? Dude outright questioned if the US should defend NATO nations in case of an attack. He did his best to get his army out of Europe (while of course thinking he'd still be in command and make demands). Now he praises Putin for how "savvy" he is. He would have done jack shit. Fuck me, he might have made a deal with Putin to not intervene in exchange for bottled russian hooker piss or something.

So yeah, pretty funny stuff, this little video.
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I believe the NATO thing was because all the other mamber nations were contsantly relying on the US for everything.
 
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I believe the NATO thing was because all the other mamber nations were contsantly relying on the US for everything.
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That is kind of the point of NATO and why the US created it in the first place though: so they can bind other nations within their sphere of influence.
Trump was salty that other nations weren't paying 2% of their GDP for their military as agreed in 2014... though there is that tiny little detail he overlooked: The agreement states that the member states pay 2% by 2024, so plenty of time to reach it even now - and of course, there isn't much in the way of enforcing this in the first place.

It's absolutely idiotic to make a public statement that the US might only come to help NATO nations if the US feels like it. That is a direct contradiction of what the core principle of NATO is. Someone attacks a NATO nation, every other NATO nation must help unconditionally. It does not put the US at a disadvantage since they have to foot the bill of defending other nations, the US is essentially buying global political and economic influence via their military. If the US feels like they want to go back on what they have to pay for their army, that's totally okay, but it's ridiculous to expect the other nations to still follow US demands while the US is no longer doing their end of the deal. Publically stating that the US might only come to the aid of NATO nations if they feel like it, undermines the US position in every NATO member nation.

I mean, I wholeheartedly agree with the notion that all NATO nations should spend their dues in defense budgets, but the US can't really go all "surprised Pickachu-face" when they suddenly see their influence on Europe slip, when they pull out troops and go "lol fight for yourself".
 
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RomanesEuntDomus said:
That is kind of the point of NATO and why the US created it in the first place though: so they can bind other nations within their sphere of influence.
Trump was salty that other nations weren't paying 2% of their GDP for their military as agreed in 2014... though there is that tiny little detail he overlooked: The agreement states that the member states pay 2% by 2024, so plenty of time to reach it even now - and of course, there isn't much in the way of enforcing this in the first place.

It's absolutely idiotic to make a public statement that the US will only come to help NATO nations if the US feels like it. That is a direct contradiction of what the core principle of NATO is. Someone attacks a NATO nation, every other NATO nation must help unconditionally. It does not put the US at a disadvantage since they have to foot the bill of defending other nations, the US is essentially buying global political and economic influence via their military. If the US feels like they want to go back on what they have to pay for their army, that's totally okay, but it's ridiculous to expect the other nations to still follow US demands while the US is no longer doing their end of the deal. Publically stating that the US might only come to the aid of NATO nations if they feel like it, undermines the US position in every NATO member nation.

I mean, I wholeheartedly agree with the notion that all NATO nations should spend their dues in defense budgets, but the US can't really go all "surprised Pickachu-face" when they suddenly see their influence on Europe slip, when they pull out troops and go "lol fight for yourself".
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And Trump has people thinking that losing that influence is a good thing because…Iraq. And regime changes.
 
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And Trump has people thinking that losing that influence is a good thing because…Iraq. And regime changes.
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I doubt they think losing that influence is good per se, they think they can have no-strings-attached-influence over other nations for literally no reason and without any justification or action on their part. So they want the US to be able to tell every nation what to do, but they don't want the US to give anything in return. All power, no responsibilities.
Basically having your cake and eating it, too.

It's a completely lopsided perspective to pretend the US is paying to keep other NATO nations safe and gets nothing in return. If the US wants to retain its position as the leader of the free world, they do need to provide protection to the free world in return.
This is also one of the reasons why the trade war with the EU was such a ridiculously moronic thing to do. Instead of working together with the EU (and some Asian nations and Australia) to contain china, Trump started shit with them, too. That it was highly ineffectual, since the main targets of Trump's policies easily evaded tariffs, is just icing on the cake.
 
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mofu mofo said:
Not unlike how many No Step On Snek folks and other Trumptards want all the rights with none of the responsibilities.
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It's really the same all over the world. In Germany, right wingers bitch and cry that the police should be more active and have less legal impediments whenever some brownskin does something bad... until the right wingers realize that giving the police more options to fight crime also applies to themselves. :story:
 
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