Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%

  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%

  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%

  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%
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The Ukraine ministry of defense is sending out info right now.
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My take: the fog of war is real. we should be aware that we are getting this info from twitter of all place.
What is true as far as i can tell:
Cruise missile strikes across region, targeting all major cities in the eastern regions and on the Dnieper.
The strikes on the cities and airports seem to be missiles only, no aircraft.
massive artillery attacks across the border.

What is not confirmed as being 100% true:
Mariupol being overrun
A raid on a airport in Kiev with paratroopers.
landings in Odessa
bombing in Moldova

in fact, there is NO INFORMATION from or about Ukrainian ground forces for either side. this strikes me as jamming and EM control on both sides. if there were mass defections we would have heard about it by now.

The fact that the ukrainian air force is reportedly still in the game means this might drag on a bit longer that was initially feared. Ukraine will lose. that most is almost a certain outcome but a complete collapse and surrender to the country that has killed 12 million of their people in living memory seems a bit outlandish.
 
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MG-34 said:
The Russians don't do the whole American soft hand approach with insurgents and its not like the baltic states have guns freely available for people to form militas like the Afghans did.
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The CIA would take care of any lack of firepower very quickly. It's also a bit of a conundrum for Russia; they want a stable set of buffer states inside the narrowing funnel of the European Plain. If you Grozny every one of those insurgent groups you make those buffer states more resentful towards you. You could maybe do this in one or two, but Russia is going to be trying to reintegrate many of these territories. If these countries fall into your sphere of influence because you're heating their houses, and then are then slowly digested and absorbed into your polity, there are much less blood feuds to deal with compared to the alternative.
 
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Secret Asshole said:
Also don't get me wrong, when I say "I don't give a shit about Ukraine" I don't mean callousness towards the death and destruction this is causing. I mean it in the fact of what the West WANTS us to care about for its own pathetic agenda. It is terrible that this happened, but Western leaders need to look themselves in the fucking mirror because they are directly responsible for this happening.
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No matter what country you are born into there is a gay agenda you are tied too. Putin is an angel he din du nuffin' Putin's agenda is so good I'm gonna go and Fight for them so later I can find out that the grass isn't always greener on the other side. At some point we are going to have to engage in conflict with the Ruskies and Chins it could be this year, could be 50 years from now. Why not just capitulate now to them and give them advantages because we feel sympathetic to them or that they are morally in the right. Russia, China and their comrades want you completely beaten into submission if they could have it their way.
 
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Schwaymang said:
People kinda blew their millennial hate-load a decade or 2 too early.
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Oh, it's been longer than that.

Shit started in the late 80's with media telling everyone how you couldn't trust Gen-X. When Gen-Y hit about 15-18 the media blitz turned to blaming Gen-X and Gen-Y for everything and claiming they didn't want to work so of COURSE the corporations had to bring in Mexicans and outsource everything. Then it was "Oh, they're too stupid/lazy/cowardly to be in politics".

The media blitz against everyone who isn't over 65 has been fucking amazing. It's actually a thing of beauty if you ignore that it was entirely aimed at people's grand-children and children.

I might make fun of Gen-Y and Gen-Z, but I'm not going to deny the shit hand they got dealt.
 
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Michael Janke said:
there was a news video of a country being invaded and the guy was saying an invasion wasnt happening.
we could see in the background US tanks coming over the horizon.
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Thats what Im saying tho. We saw tons of footage of just stuff going on in the middle east, but not in a european/eastern european country like this. It hits a bit different
 
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DumbDude42 said:
the important parts of russia do not border the US. if you unironically think anybody in eurasia loses any sleep over american troops crossing from alaska into siberia then you are delusional.

the baltic states being part of nato are indeed a major concern for russia. at the time they joined, russia was very weak and incapable of doing anything about it, and by the time they had recovered from the post soviet collapse troubles it was fait accompli. putin was willing to (begrudgingly) accept this situation, but made it clear that he would do anything in his power to prevent any further expansion of nato towards russia.
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Dude, the only time the US ever invaded Russia was through the east. Siberia is located mostly in the central north of Russia.

Russia wasn't exactly weak. They still had nuclear weapons and an army powerful enough that the West was seriously worried about getting into WW3 over fucking Kosovo. This was under Putin's watch too.
 
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