Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

No it doesn't. NATO countries have no desire to exterminate Russia. Even if they did, they can't because Russia has the largest nuclear arsenal in the world. This idea that America and Europe want to invade Russia and destroy the Russian nation is utterly ridiculous. And like it or not, Ukraine is a sovereign country too and its people also have a right to exist as a nation state in control of their own land.

I don't buy this idea that Russia is in peril because the evil West wants to annihilate it. But I do see Putin claiming Ukraine isn't a real country and that Ukrainians have no right to independence or nationalism.

The US had a huge nuclear arsenal when the Cuban Missile Crisis happened. Amazingly enough non-friendly powers don't like it when you start setting up military bases near their home soil.

Whether or not NATO wants to exterminate a country is irrelevant. Gaddafi and Saddam were allies to the west at certain points during their life. Nobody wanted to exterminate their countries either and people like you probably would have told Iraqi and Libyan doomsayers the exact same thing.

Allowing your strategic enemy to place military bases within spitting distance of your country, allowing your strategic enemy to install a regime friendly to them in a country on your doorstep, is something no government would allow.

 

[Willie Thrills]

There’s nothing wrong with fission and there is no need to wait for fusion. France already gets most of its power from fission nuclear power plants. In Western countries with a powerful environmentalist movement, nuclear has enormous amounts of regulation designed, not for safety, but to make nuclear uncompetitive. If nuclear power was made affordable, all of the environmentalists and politicians who’ve gotten rich off of green energy subsidies would lose their cash cow. Solar and Wind are only affordable if you ignore their massive subsidies and the fact that they require a second power plant for the times when the sun isn’t shiny and the wind isn’t blowing.

There's a bunch of shit I could go into with solar, specifically, but you're right about wind. Wind is the real subsidy thief.

Solar also includes biofuel, there's a bunch of promising nascent shit there - but overrall, you're not wrong. It is just a manufactured crisis - there's no shortage of energy supplies, just overregulation and grifts.

 

[CognitiveDeficiency]

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Russian forces enter Chernobyl to seize nuclear plant, says Ukraine p…

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Russian forces enter Chernobyl to seize nuclear plant, says Ukraine president

Russian forces entered Chernobyl and intense fighting is being waged there to protect the nuclear plant, Ukrainian interior ministry says

www.mirror.co.uk

FINAL EDIT: Chernobyl has fallen to Russian forces.

https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1496917526982574081

 

[BradCarter]

Take any 'official' news from either side with small mountains of salt.

On top of this, any casualties will be highest right now. The Russians are crashing into the heaviest fortified and prepared areas. Once those are broken the push just gets easier.

 

[Freya]

Remeber when the US bombed the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade?
Pepperidge farm remembers.
And you can bet your ass the Chinese do, too.

Not the US' fault nigger tier slavs chimped out

 

[Observotron]

Anyone have an idea what Russia will do if they take most of Ukraine? I'm assuming a puppet state for the restore order LARP, they do have the old president in their country still after all. Curious if Transnistria will invade from the West.

I'm not usually good with this kind of stuff, but here's my prediction.

-All but destroy Ukraine's government and military. Leave the country as a third world shit hole essentially.
-Push half way to 2/3rds the way through Ukraine.
-I believe that he doesn't want to occupy Ukraine, so he'll probably give the territory to the newly identified separatists and declare it as a new ally/state of Russia.
-As you've pointed out, it's entirely possible there'll keep the current president around to 'negotiate' with the new Ukraine.
-Sell weapons to new state to 'defend' against Old Ukraine to creates a version of Russia's forever war.
-In a few years, old Ukraine will mysteriously 'Unify' with the new Ukraine, to make Russia's 'One true Ukraine'.
-Big soviet hugs.

That said, does anyone think Putim may have underestimated the resistance he's facing. I feel like he expected this to be over before most of the West woke up. I doubt Ukraine will 'win' but I feel like they'll make Russia bleed for it.

 

[MG-34]

putin is so fucked if the ukrainians actually drag a fight out.
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Especially seeing how they brought out the good shit. I'm surpised to see KA52s instead of beat to shit Mi-8s and Mi-24s. If they do keep taking losses they may have to draw back ambitions.

The people comparing this shit to Afghanistan are dummies. The Ukrainians want to fight. They aren't ANA drug addicts working for 20 dollars a week. These people hate the Russians as much as Japanese people hate Chinese rats.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I'm not going to argue about Joe Biden - I am wondering why HHH is here spouting his usual shit, rather than killing himself, though.

Lol calm down, newfag. I can't imagine being this upset at someone just because they don't like an elderly, obese conman

 

[Freezard]

Anyone have an idea what Russia will do if they take most of Ukraine? I'm assuming a puppet state for the restore order LARP,

I doubt they want to deal with that shit, especially since knocking over Ukraine completely might be too provocative, and they'd have to prop up the state against "freedom fighters" of either normal or glowie variety. "Independence" or whatever for Donetsk and Luhansk and demilitarization, ideally as soon as possible before their victory doesn't come cheap as dirt.

Curious if Transnistria will invade from the West.

Lmfao with fucking what, no. You may as well ask if Estonia is going to invade Russia.

 

[Titos]

Now hear me out.
>Biden falls asleep
>Putin uses this opportunity to invade Turkey and retake Constantinople
>Pakistan in a fit of autism lends Turkey some nukes
>Turkey nukes Russia, Russia nukes Turkey, India nukes the Pakis, India also accidentally nukes itself because some poo got in the controls
>Chink sleeper agents detonate bombs in DC, New York, LA, San Francisco, Arlington, and Ruckersville for good measure
>The 3GD gets blown up by some uighurs, all the chinks drown
>No more turkroaches, pajeets, faggots spamming rush b in CSGO, chinks, or US federal politicians
>CWC is seen floating towards the heavens and says "My work here is done, the merge is complete"
>Everyone lives happily ever after
It's nice to dream.....

 

[Kaede Did Nothing Wrong]

Take any 'official' news from either side with small mountains of salt.

Assuming this is true, its not really indicative of anything other than "They had ATGM's". The era of the invincible tank is long over, and even a scattered infantry defense can deal some serious damage to an armored force that's outran its screening elements. Same reason we're seeing roadsides littered with Ukrainian vehicles.

yeah sure. I've just seen a lot of assumption that russia is about to roll in like the US did on saddam and I hope it is more of a slugfest.

 

[Uber driver reviewer]

a literal fake article exists along side it.

First American casualty of Ukraine crisis "Bernie Gores" is killed as invasion progresses

Diplomat and activist Bernie Gores has been reported dead as the first American casualty of the Ukraine crisis after Russian strikes in Kyiv hit an airport.

www.worldgreynews.com

Oh no not my hecken Jewish CIArino agent!

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Now hear me out.
>Biden falls asleep
>Putin uses this opportunity to invade Turkey and retake Constantinople
>Pakistan in a fit of autism lends Turkey some nukes
>Turkey nukes Russia, Russia nukes Turkey, India nukes the Pakis, India also accidentally nukes itself because some poo got in the controls
>Chink sleeper agents detonate bombs in DC, New York, LA, San Francisco, Arlington, and Ruckersville for good measure
>The 3GD gets blown up by some uighurs, all the chinks drown
>No more turkroaches, pajeets, faggots spamming rush b in CSGO, chinks, or US federal politicians
>CWC is seen floating towards the heavens and says "My work here is done, the merge is complete"
>Everyone lives happily ever after
It's nice to dream.....

Chris Chan was right all along

 

[Getting tard comed]

Like, look at this:

Those houses look kinda nice. Like something that could happen in my neighborhood.

The whole "end of history" meme is now history.

It was a meme 5 years after he wrote it and he's been spending the last 10 trying desperately to walk it back.

 

[BayView]

you would think that with the advent of internet you would get instant updates on any conflicts

 

[Corpun]

Like, look at this:

Those houses look kinda nice. Like something that could happen in my neighborhood.

The whole "end of history" meme is now history.

And that is a good thing. Fukuyama and his consequences etc etc. This war will really show what a war in any western country would look like today. Twenty years ago Russia was struggling against the Chechens, they've learned a lot since then I expect and every Western military leader not focused on pozzing their own military should be studying how this invasion works out in urban and suburban areas.

putin is so fucked if the ukrainians actually drag a fight out.
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I'm thinking his game plan is to push as far as possible before the US and UN give a limp dicked response of sanction threats and force Ukraine to cede leand. He is fucked if the hohols defend themselves enough. Maybe forest brothers will emerge or something.

 

[Coccxys]

I don't think the US will be going to war with Russia anytime soon. Particularly after the Afghan debacle + calling 40% of the country Russian spies for the last 5 years, that's gonna be a hard sell.

Anyone with half a brain knows US going to war with Russia ends in the nukes flying no matter how limited the engagement starts. As soon as they get Putin up with his back against the wall he's got nothing to lose.

 

[ShittlerNiggler]

How is the russian economy doing btw? Such a war wouldn't probably be all that healthy to it.

 

[DumbDude42]

You don't understand money or why it's relevant. Currency is merely a means of measuring value. There have been countries with much higher relative shares of global wealth in much more precarious positions that have run into the same issue of running out of money and stopping/losing a war because of it. Sure you can say, "Russia is self sufficient in food and oil", but that doesn't really tell the story. If money is immaterial to a country's ability to create, equip, and a supply a military then why is it that the great Russian wunderwaffes like the Su-57 and T-14 haven't been produced in anything more then a handful of LRIP examples? because the Russian industry literally can not afford to build more. If it were as easy as gathering the resources they would have done so. I agree Russia has the logistics to support their operations for at least a little while, but that is a far cry from "staying defiant in the face of western pressure indefinitely". People like you who say "Money is made up so who cares what the economy says about war" have ruined empires.

We have now seen 2 KA-52s shot down by MANPADS. As I stated earlier, they have ~150 of the things. If the current loss rate holds on average, Russia will lose every single one of it's modern attack helicopters in current inventory in 2 months. That is simply not a sustainable loss rate.

nigger a conventional war between nato and russia isn't even on the table. if that were to happen it would result in the russian forces getting decimated, then the desperate russians set off their ICBMs as a final act of spite against the countries that just annihilated their army, and then it's lights out.

the point is that russia is self-sufficient enough to curbstomp its non nuclear and non nato neighbors infefinitely, and it is nuclear enough to deter serious action from nuclear rivals such as nato. economic/monetary collapse doesn't change any of this, and it won't break their will to defy the west either, no matter how bad things get. the great soviet famine didn't break their will a hundred years ago, the great leap forward didn't break chinas will, an eternity of economic isolation still hasn't broken north koreas will, so i am confident that no amount of economic pressure will make russia submit or relent.

 

[Crystal Head Reloaded]

I'm gonna try and get some sleep, not really not looking forward to waking up and seeing how much the Australian stock market is gonna be killing itself over this stuff and a part of me wants to keep following this stuff throughout the night so not sure how successful I'll be in getting sleep.

As someone in pacific region I am admittely worried about the possibility of China deciding now's the time to make a move on Taiwan, hopefully it'll just be a nothing burger but hey you never know with clown world.