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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Canada’s embassy staff leaves Ukraine as Justin Trudeau unveils sweeping new sanctions against Russia​


The Canadian government piled on sweeping new sanctions Thursday in retaliation for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, targeting individual members of President Vladimir Putin’s inner governing circle as well as major Russian banks.

Canada’s embassy personnel fled Ukraine ahead of the announcement in the hours after Russian forces swept into Ukraine via land, sea and air.

After Prime Minister Justin Trudeau huddled with G7 leaders on a call Thursday to co-ordinate the next round of sanctions, he told a midday news conference that the “unprovoked attack” on a sovereign nation in violation of international law was “the greatest threat to European stability” since the Second World War.

“President Putin’s brazen disregard for international law, democracy, and human life are a massive threat to security and peace around the world,” Trudeau said.

Flanked by Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland, Defence Minister Anita Anand and Foreign Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly, Trudeau said the consequences for Russia will be “severe.”

In addition to slapping sanctions on all Russian lawmakers who approved Putin’s offensive earlier this week, the Canadian government is now sanctioning 58 individuals and entities “including members of the Russian elite and their family members, as well as the Wagner Group and major Russian banks, among others,” said Trudeau.

Canada is targeting key players in Putin’s regime, including members of the Russian Security Council, and Russia’s defence, finance and justice ministers, Trudeau said.

Effective immediately, he said, Canada will cease all export permits for Russia and cancel existing permits.

Trudeau said the sanctions are “wide-reaching” and impose “severe costs on complicit Russian elites, and they will limit President Putin’s ability to continue funding this unjustified invasion.

Along with the U.S., U.K. and the European Union, Canada has already moved to halt Russia’s ability to borrow abroad, banning the purchase by Canadians of Russian sovereign debt, and has halted financial dealings with two state-backed Russian banks.

The Russian embassy warned Wednesday that it viewed “unilateral sanctions against Russia imposed by the Government of Canada” as “illegitimate and illegal,” and vowed retaliation “following the principle of reciprocity.”

“Russia’s recognition of the independence of the People’s Republics of Donetsk and Luhansk is irreversible,” the declaration said.

Trudeau also promised Canadians and permanent residents stranded in Ukraine that the government will help arrange “safe passage for you and your families at the land borders with Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, and Moldova.”

“We are urgently issuing travel documents for affected Canadians, permanent residents, and their immediate family members. We are also prioritizing immigration applications for Ukrainians who want to come to Canada,” Trudeau said.

As rockets arced over Ukraine’s borders and shelling began, the remaining 14 Canadian consular officials left the country.

“Due to the security situation in Ukraine, our diplomatic staff are now in Poland,” Joly said in a statement posted to Twitter.

Consular services “remain available to Canadians in Ukraine, and we are ready to deploy additional resources should there be a surge in demand.”

But those resources would be offered from outside Ukraine’s borders, at border entry points with Poland for example, for people trying now to flee the attacks.

Weeks ago, Canada evacuated family members of its Kyiv embassy staff, and urged Canadians in Ukraine who could leave to do so while commercial options were still available.

The airspace over Ukraine has now been closed to civilian flights.

In a statement issued Wednesday night, as it became clear Russia was advancing, Trudeau said “Canada condemns in the strongest possible terms Russia’s egregious attack on Ukraine. These unprovoked actions are a clear further violation of Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. They are also in violation of Russia’s obligations under international law and the Charter of the United Nations.

“Russia’s brazen acts will not go unpunished.”

The Conservative-led Official Opposition, which has harshly criticized the Trudeau government’s response to date as weak and insufficient, issued a statement of “solidarity” with Ukraine on Thursday, and avoided direct criticism of the government.

“Together with millions of Canadians and the Ukrainian community in Canada, we condemn Putin’s actions,” Interim Conservative Leader Candice Bergen said in the statement.

“Putin’s contemptible aggression and invasion of Ukraine is unacceptable. His attack on the Ukrainian people and their democratically elected government is despicable.

“Autocrats like Putin should and will be judged harshly. Conservatives stand ready to defend the rules-based international order against these grievous violations of international law.”

Other opposition parties called on the government to significantly step up its regime of sanctions against Russia.

Bloc Québécois Leader Yves-François Blanchet called on Canada to impose the “most severe” economic sanctions possible to hammer the Russian economy “because that’s the only reason to make the Russian dictator go back.”

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh said Canada should do everything short of sending more weapons or troops to Ukraine. More economic sanctions on Russian oligarchs close to Putin, the seizure of assets, and the exclusion of Russia from the global SWIFT bank transaction system should all be deployed after the invasion of Ukraine, Singh said.

NDP foreign affairs critic Heather McPherson told the Star that Canada should consider an embargo on imports of oil and gas from Russia.

The NDP also stressed Canada should “streamline” the process to accept an expected wave of Ukrainian refugees as quickly as possible. Singh said Canada should consider all options to ensure this happens, including the removal of any visa requirements for Ukrainians to come here, and to remove any online application processes that he argued have slowed refugees trying to flee Afghanistan after it fell to the Taliban last year.

“There’s a crisis that’s emerging right now and we need to be able to help people to get out of acute pain,” Singh said.

The Ukrainian Canadian Congress is also calling on Canada to take firm action against Russia. In a statement to the Star, Congress head Ihor Michalchyshyn said the “sources of funding to Putin’s war machine need to be cut off.”

Michalchyshyn said countries need to provide more weapons to Ukraine, including “anti-air systems like stinger missiles and other air defence and naval defence systems” and to impose a “no-fly” zone above the country to protect civilians from Russian bombardment.

“In the 1930s, the world was slow to recognize the danger that Adolf Hitler posed to our civilization. We cannot make that same mistake again with Putin,” Michalchyshyn said.

 
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The footage of this "conflict" seems mighty underwhelming. It looks like a bunch of LARPers getting bombed. Is this going to end up a wag the dog scenario?
When you learn the history of Hollywood, you get the lesson that they found actual war footage underwhelming; shocker, most war/fighting is underwhelming unless you're kicking in doors and clearing buildings. A lot of it is "stay down" to not get shot and calling in air support anymore.
 
The footage of this "conflict" seems mighty underwhelming. It looks like a bunch of LARPers getting bombed. Is this going to end up a wag the dog scenario?

Does this prove that Russian Occupation is preferable to "refugees"?
 
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Russia ready to negotiate with Ukraine – Kremlin​

The Kremlin presents Kiev with two demands

Moscow is willing to negotiate terms of surrender with Kiev regarding the ongoing Russian military offensive currently taking place in Ukraine, Kremlin Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov said on Thursday.

According to Peskov, Russian President Vladimir Putin has expressed his preparedness to engage in discussions with his Ukrainian counterpart, with a focus on obtaining a guarantee of neutral status and the promise of no weapons on its territory.

These are terms that, according to Peskov, would enable the achievement of the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine, and eliminate what Russia currently views as a threat to the security of its state and people.

“The president formulated his vision of what we would expect from Ukraine in order for the so-called ‘red-line’ problems to be resolved. This is neutral status, and this is a refusal to deploy weapons,” Peskov clarified.

The press secretary added that Putin would determine the timing of the negotiations, but gave assurances that Russia would only engage “if the leadership of Ukraine is ready to talk about it.”

“The operation has its goals – they must be achieved. The president said that all decisions have been made, and the goals will be achieved,”
Peskov continued, suggesting that, if Kiev were to agree to meet the demands, the current military attack on Ukraine could be called off.

In the early hours of Thursday morning, Putin instigated a “special operation” in Ukraine, with the supposed aim of “securing the peace” in the breakaway Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics in the Donbass region.

The leaders of the republics have made claims in recent days of attacks on their territory by the Ukrainian army.
Throughout the course of Thursday, the operation has become a full-scale assault, with Ukrainian airports, military bases, and cities, including the capital Kiev, all being damaged in air strikes in an attempt by Russia to cripple any Ukrainian military response.

 
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China is going to bail out the Russian economy, the Western sanctions will do even less than expected:
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I think the Chinese government are assholes, but at this point they're about on par with all of the assholes in the West, so whatever. I'm not sure if my social credit score went up or down as a result of this post.
 
A&N lives in an alternate universe where everything is Joe Biden's fault. Half these replies can be moved to the Biden general and they wouldn't even feel out of place

If Biden sent in the troops they would be complaining that he's starting another foreign forever war
If he shows restraint like he's doing now then they'll complain he's acting weak and purposefully letting innocents die

There's no winning with spergs on the internet

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Biden supporters coping.
Like I kind of want to tweet and "tone police"(read: disagree with her) and wissh it wasnt pointless to do over twitter because I do believe in at least somewhat engaging with shit you dont agree with or like if not for any reason than considering a different perspective.

But that tweet is right that most outrage over this one way or the other is mostly pearl clutching; it wasnt an attack on America, and its seeming like theyre going to take a cooler approach rather than like "ITS WAR TIME MOTHERFUCKA GET IN THE CHOPPA". This wont be a "Biden gets re elected because neither he nor Kamala want to be there and a lot of people dont outside of party loyalists, but its not really that much to do with Biden it seems.
 
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So let me get this straight. The US keeps making noises about making Ukraine part of NATO. They know this pisses off Russia something fierce, but just keep putting it out there with no real action behind it.

Putin says "fuck that", reminds Ukraine he can bitchslap them back to the stone age any time he pleases, especially knowing the EU is a bunch of pussies dependent on him, and Biden is a weak-willed unprepared pantshitter. Russia dickslaps Ukraine hard, then offers them peace terms barring them from joining NATO.

Biden admin makes America look like a whipped bitch again. Nice job, you senile fuck.
 
According to Ukraine's President, Russia has control of Chernobyl.
They should restart the other reactors. They continued to operate until a few years ago, long after the incident, which was largely the result of a manager transgressing safety protocols and not testing the reactor. Perhaps the design was sub-optimal.
 
Can you explain to me how the Democrats are responsible for Russia invading Ukraine? I'm genuinely curious.
I would track it further to Obama's Russian Reset. Obama had told them he wanted a blank slate on relations between the US and Russia (which is why Russia warned us about the Boston Marathon bomber), but because NATO still existed and the US not wanting to give Russia any kind of deal, said reset didn't happen. Then Hillary wanted a war with Libya and ousted Ghaddafi, which Putin did not like. Dems ratcheting up anti-Russian sentiment only exacerbated the problem and now with "the adults in the room," all those Obama staffers were back and so were their weaknesses that Putin already learned. So Putin figured that if he can bully Obama over Crimea, he can bully Biden over Ukraine. And he did.

The article is about how Medvedev fucked up, but consider that it happened because Obama was being a giant liar that started the Arab Spring and you can see that the Democratic party arrogantly thought it could do whatever it wanted with no consequence.

 
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