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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Is it true that Russia is the only country to have a Tsar bomb? Anyone know what this means and what it would mean if it was dropped?
 
If I was Ukraine I would just launch every missile I have at Moscow as a giant fuck you.
That would be an emotional response but not rational.
You want military target military and leave civilians alone as far as possible. After the conflict resolves you have to be able to heal wounds and deal with the result.

If when you are losing you retaliate by attacking civilian targets of the enemy. What prevents the enemy from attacking civilian targets among your own?
Conflicts are best contained to mostly military interactions where civilian assets are kept out of harms way, when possible.
 
That would be an emotional response but not rational.
You want military target military and leave civilians alone as far as possible. After the conflict resolves you have to be able to heal wounds and deal with the result.

If when you are losing you retaliate by attacking civilian targets of the enemy. What prevents the enemy from attacking civilian targets among your own?
Conflicts are best contained to mostly military interactions where civilian assets are kept out of harms way, when possible.
No you are right it isn’t even practical let alone ethical
 
To be crass. Time heals all wounds and resolves all disputes on territory. And the winner writes the history books.

No one in Mexico is really all that upset anymore about the territories and ancestors killed when US annexed California and Texas.
Give it 20 years and it will be forgotten outside of "old men talking about shit that happened when they were young".
People don't always just get over it. Muslim nations are still butthurt about the Crusades. Which is pure bullshit of course, since Muslims invaded those lands to begin with.

That would be an emotional response but not rational.
You want military target military and leave civilians alone as far as possible. After the conflict resolves you have to be able to heal wounds and deal with the result.

If when you are losing you retaliate by attacking civilian targets of the enemy. What prevents the enemy from attacking civilian targets among your own?
Conflicts are best contained to mostly military interactions where civilian assets are kept out of harms way, when possible.
It's even dumber when your side is the invaded, outmatched one, cause if both sides decide to flip the bird at the Geneva Convention, you're the ones who are ripe for a genocide. Or at the very least, retaliation on a larger scale.
 
america is so fucked. russia’s invading ukraine and were all just doing the same old MSM which old fart is better fight. when our slave masters call in the few young people who are not obese or mentally ill to die for next to nothing on the other side of the world nothing will change. we will still be arguing about transsexuals and BLM and weed and gamer gate and january 6th and all of this meaningless shit. i think im starting to hate americans on a real level.
You know that US troops haven't done shit yet, right? It's all "muh sanctions" and an avalanche of media propaganda.
 
Anyone got an update on the status of Azov Battalion? Haven't been able to get any info on them recently and have heard everything from them getting completely annihilated to their leadership fleeing to Poland while the rank and file guys hold out in Mariupol.
Wonder how they feel being Moscow's useful idiots.
 
i know. im just high and feeling awful about politics, like a retard.
Upside is, Russia forces haven't impressed and aren't even close to par with what the US and Western Allies could achieve half the world away in the early 90s.

If this doesn't wake up those European nations who have been in denial about Russia for the past decades - Germany...- then I don't know what will. Hopefully, this will now be a period in which European militaries are shown to be a complete overmatch for the Russians.
 
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