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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Correct, not a nuclear weapon.
Compared to a modern hydrogen fusion warhead the so called MOAB is a children's firecracker.

For the record the MoaB is about 11 tonnes of TNT equivalent

The modern hydrogen bomb is some where in the neighborhood of 1,500,000 tonnes of TNT equivalent.

Which is why no one tosses nukes around. As few as two or three going off is a nuclear winter event. 20 or so going off at once is an extinction level event.

between the nuclear powers combined there are around 1,700 warheads ready to go with less than 8 minutes of warning.

Want to know real fear? Watch either Countdown to Looking Glass or The Day After movies. Both are super realistic depictions of the run up too and after effect of a nuclear exchange. Hell they showed The Day After as a Prime Time special across all networks in the 80s without commercials to showcase how terrible a real nuclear exchange would be. Scared the shit out the Boomers for sure.

Countdown to LOOKING GLASS was said to be so impactfull/terrifyingly possible that Ronald Reagan put forward the SALT treaties after he saw it.

They went on to show it in the USSR as well as European countries to dampen the war mongering going on at the time and I think it worked as the USSR came to the table pretty easily for SALT I and SALT II.




It's free on You Tube if your curious.
 
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Bring back the Soviet Union! I loved the flag on tanks as they marched on Kyiv. Also absolutely loved the fact they said nope and destroyed Ukrainian lines to march their armoured forces straight to Kyiv. Now only to await the birth of a new Stalin. Lets go Soviet Union!
 
If this starts to go badly for Russia, what are the odds we see China lend assistance? They have a lot of money invested here, and would certainly benefit from Ukraine being under Russian control. No doubt they have been at least somewhat kept in the loop.
Its not going badly, the Ukrainians as expected are down in all fronts and will soon be overwhelmed. In regards to China, they have given the Russians a lifeline which the Australians are hopping mad over LOL. China doing the buddy buddy thing. Now only need them to get their butts in gear and take back Taiwan, enough of the US puppets.
 

Jimmy Kimmel called Tucker Carlson a “penis” for suggesting that Biden got played by both Putin and (possibly) Zelensky regarding the Russia-Ukraine fallout.

I know it’s Jimmy Kimmel and he’s been a sellout for years now, but I honestly thought I was watching a scene out of an Adam Sandler movie.

I did not think this was real until I saw it. :stress:

Jimmy Kimmel's act gave his own son literal cancer.
 
Its not going badly, the Ukrainians as expected are down in all fronts and will soon be overwhelmed. In regards to China, they have given the Russians a lifeline which the Australians are hopping mad over LOL. China doing the buddy buddy thing. Now only need them to get their butts in gear and take back Taiwan, enough of the US puppets.
Ukraine will surrender when there is no point to keep fighting. Which likely happens within days.
Then there will be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs

Ukraine is a province of russia and that is that.
 
The whole point NATO exists is to be a counter against USSR/Russia and to prepare and to be ready for direct action and war against USSR/Russia.

Would you not be sceptical against an organization whose only purpose is to arm up and prepare in case they need to go to full war against you?

Except NATO is a purely defensive pact, and it's very basic rule is that other countries promise to help ONLY in case one of memebers gets attacked first. And seeing how Russia keeps attacking it's neighbors left and right, can you blame any country nearby Russia for wanting to get into the club
 
If this starts to go badly for Russia, what are the odds we see China lend assistance? They have a lot of money invested here, and would certainly benefit from Ukraine being under Russian control. No doubt they have been at least somewhat kept in the loop.
Military aid? None.
Both China and Russia have enough capital reserves to ride it out and send the western world into a depression that makes the big depression look like a minor shortage of goods at the local bodega.
You want economical warfare? You think your voterbase is up for a decade, or longer, depression just to cover the crimes made within Burisma?
Good luck. Good fucking luck. Once gas goes >10$ gallon interesting times will commence,
 
Except NATO is a purely defensive pact, and it's very basic rule is that other countries promise to help ONLY in case one of memebers gets attacked first. And seeing how Russia keeps attacking it's neighbors left and right, can you blame any country nearby Russia for wanting to get into the club
Maybe Russia can join NATO then? We would have super-peace.
 
Military aid? None.
Both China and Russia have enough capital reserves to ride it out and send the western world into a depression that makes the big depression look like a minor shortage of goods at the local bodega.
You want economical warfare? You think your voterbase is up for a decade, or longer, depression just to cover the crimes made within Burisma?
Good luck. Good fucking luck. Once gas goes >10$ gallon interesting times will commence,
No one realizes how much the USA runs on private vehicles, until they're doing weekly fill ups. The biggest gap in my area right now is the AMPM at ~$4.59 for the cheap stuff, and 76 at ~$5.39 for the cheap stuff. If it goes any higher, shit's gonna start getting really bad.
 
Maybe Russia can join NATO then? We would have super-peace.

would that stop Russia from attacking other countries?

Also the idea that NATO is a threat to Russia is laughable, before 2014 outside of US and maybe France none of NATO countries had any military in any way threatning Russia. UK had like 200 tanks (Russia has 20000 tanks), Germany's airforce stock was 85% not operational, all NATO countries other than USA were reducing their military budgets year by year, USA had removed all the heavy armor from Europe. NATO is a bogeyman Putin uses to keep Russians scared. Then Russia invaded Ukraine and made everyone a bit antsy, and now NATO in europe will be re-arming. Good long term thinking on Putin's side.
 
See this is what happens when the Western world decides to put all their economic eggs in the hands of commies and tyrants.

How I wish the world would instead have individual nations that are suitably stable on their own instead of sacrificing their children to the globohomo.
would that stop Russia from attacking other countries?

Also the idea that NATO is a threat to Russia is laughable, before 2014 outside of US and maybe France none of NATO countries had any military in any way threatning Russia. UK had like 200 tanks (Russia has 20000 tanks), Germany's airforce stock was 85% not operational, all NATO countries other than USA were reducing their military budgets year by year, USA had removed all the heavy armor from Europe. NATO is a bogeyman Putin uses to keep Russians scared.
While we're at it shitting on NATO, can't the UN just die and cease already?
 
Compared to a modern hydrogen fusion warhead the so called MOAB is a children's firecracker.

For the record the MoaB is about 11 tonnes of TNT equivalent

The modern hydrogen bomb is some where in the neighborhood of 1,500,000 tonnes of TNT equivalent.

Which is why no one tosses nukes around. As few as two or three going off is a nuclear winter event. 20 or so going off at once is an extinction level event.

between the nuclear powers combined there are around 1,700 warheads ready to go with less than 8 minutes of warning.

Want to know real fear? Watch either Countdown to Looking Glass or The Day After movies. Both are super realistic depictions of the run up too and after effect of a nuclear exchange. Hell they showed The Day After as a Prime Time special across all networks in the 80s without commercials to showcase how terrible a real nuclear exchange would be. Scared the shit out the Boomers for sure.

Countdown to LOOKING GLASS was said to be so impactfull/terrifyingly possible that Ronald Reagan put forward the SALT treaties after he saw it.

They went on to show it in the USSR as well as European countries to dampen the war mongering going on at the time and I think it worked as the USSR came to the table pretty easily for SALT I and SALT II.

You've been fed a line by the Soviet-funded anti-nukees.

Two or three is a nuclear winter event only if retards plan the strikes and bury the warheads in the ground first. No my friend, we have learned to airbust the motherfuckers. Get the origin up to maximize the firestorm.

There is also going to be no where near the radioactive fallout shown in those movies from modern nukes, unless the country dropping them is being purposely massive cocksleeves. Those movies all use radiation levels based on the Atomic weapons used on Japan. A modern Thermonuclear hydrogen bombards the fissible shell with so many neutrons from the fusion reaction, unless you purposely dial down the yield it leaves behind almost no gamma-ray producing byproducts. They decay to stable (or at least gamma-stable) isotopes in nanoseconds.

USSR came to the table for SALT because they were getting dick stomped, hard. The wheels were coming off and they could not keep up. Their fighters were no longer effective bomber deterents because the then-current production US fighter-bombers were out performing the projected capabilities of the USSR's still being designed interceptors.

Every single anti-nuke organization in the US and Europe was getting funding from the soviets to make sure the west was terrified of nuclear weapons because Russia could not hope to match the US in production, range, or accuracy.

Is it true that US is the only country to have a MOAB bomb (Mother Of All Bombs) and they drop it on enemies all the time?

The Fuel-Air bomb (aka Daisy Cutter, aka MOAB) is the largest most energetic non-nuclear explosive ever developed. The US no longer produces them and the last one was used to collapse a taliban tunnel network.

the MOAB was originally developed to clear forest for helicopter landing zones (hence the name "daisy cutter") but when all you have is a giant explosive, everything looks like something you can explode.

The MOAB was retired because it was difficult to produce and because it was too destructive. Better results could be had more expensively with precision munitions you didn't need to clear all friendly forces for 5miles around to use.

The MOAB and a 3-stage Thermonuclear device, aka a Tsar Bomba, are not even in the same goddamn ballpark, except that neither country has them now.
 
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I feel like Putin is using Muh Nazis rhetoric as a way of shitting on western media and their glorification of Antifa. I could be wrong but if I'm right that's hilarious.
No, he's using it for the exact same reason: It's an useful tool that rouses a lot of feelings in people.

As we know, if you can paint someone a nazi, then you don't really need any argument to oppose them, and that works in Russia too.
 
To be crass. Time heals all wounds and resolves all disputes on territory. And the winner writes the history books.

No one in Mexico is really all that upset anymore about the territories and ancestors killed when US annexed California and Texas.
Give it 20 years and it will be forgotten outside of "old men talking about shit that happened when they were young".
Lmao tell it to Poland. We remember EVERYTHING.

In fact, there is more historical and social consciousness in Poland now regarding WW2 and Holocaust than there was 30 years ago. It's everywhere. Memorials, books, monuments, tv shows, movies, Facebook pages etc.

Witold Pilecki, man who willingly went to Auschwitz, started resistance movement there and then escaped to warn the world, is literally worshipped like a god.

It's still an anti semitic nation, but the anti German and anti Russian sentiments are equally strong. I mean we pretty much despise most of the world anyway.

But the ghosts of the history never go away here. They are kept around on purpose.
 
would that stop Russia from attacking other countries?

Also the idea that NATO is a threat to Russia is laughable, before 2014 outside of US and maybe France none of NATO countries had any military in any way threatning Russia. UK had like 200 tanks (Russia has 20000 tanks), Germany's airforce stock was 85% not operational, all NATO countries other than USA were reducing their military budgets year by year, USA had removed all the heavy armor from Europe. NATO is a bogeyman Putin uses to keep Russians scared. Then Russia invaded Ukraine and made everyone a bit antsy, and now NATO in europe will be re-arming. Good long term thinking on Putin's side.

This is not about NATO alone though. It's about expansion of capitalist western democratic systems further into the east.

Ex satellite Soviet states uniting with the west through NATO, EU and all the other agreements and eventually Russia not having obviously not only any allies, but there no being any buffer states.

If the west wanted the best for Ukraine they'd support it through economical empowerment making it properly neutralized rather than trying to yank it out of their political situation.
 
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Ex satellite Soviet states uniting with the west through NATO, EU and all the other agreements and eventually Russia not having obviously not only any allies, but there no being any buffer states.

If the west wanted the best for Ukraine they'd support it through economical empowerment making it properly neutralized rather than trying to yank it out of their political situation.
You're insane if you think that these countries would ever do that given that Russia has a tendency to invade it's neighbors.

People always talk about how NATO antagonised Russia, as if the West is the only one making decisions. Perhaps Russia should consider how it antagonises it's old allies and neighbors and pushes them towards the West - and who could blame them based on yesterday's antics.

Although in reality the Putin regime knows the above, they just have useful idiots who buy their lies, and give them cover to act like the aggressive imperialists they are.

How dare countries band together for mutual protection, how will we invade them now!?!
 
Lmao tell it to Poland. We remember EVERYTHING.

In fact, there is more historical and social consciousness in Poland now regarding WW2 and Holocaust than there was 30 years ago. It's everywhere. Memorials, books, monuments, tv shows, movies, Facebook pages etc.

Witold Pilecki, man who willingly went to Auschwitz, started resistance movement there and then escaped to warn the world, is literally worshipped like a god.

It's still an anti semitic nation, but the anti German and anti Russian sentiments are equally strong. I mean we pretty much despise most of the world anyway.

But the ghosts of the history never go away here. They are kept around on purpose.
Bulanda remembers only what it wants to remember and usually it's nothing of use.
 

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